Purple_City39

Ok, on topic I'd say the biggest area of weakness (which nobody said that I noticed) is at the return position. Jacoby consistently got us decent field position and never really put the team in a hole. We don't even know who the returner is right now. Imagine constantly starting inside the 20. Outside of that, I go with CB. If Jimmy goes down, it's over. If Webb goes down, it won't be as big a hit but who on the roster do you truly trust to be a starter at the CB position besides the two mentioned? I can trust Urschel at either guard or center and Hurst at tackle. I will trust any WR at this point because they all show some potential (although I have my favorites). Same for OLB, ILB, D-line, TE, and safety. I don't trust any other CB to start (and yes I'm excluding the QB position).

I don't really like defending Pees as I'm not a fan of his, but it's not easy to see 2012 - Injuries everywhere. 2013 - hmm 2014 - I mean, did you see that secondary?? 2013 didn't have a bunch of big injuries that I can recall outside of Webb and a few nicks here and there, but it was also a lot of new faces with Lewis, Reed, Ellerbe, Kruger, Williams, and Graham all gone. That's six names that started the superbowl from the previous season. 2013 was the healthiest defense Pees had and it featured a ton of new faces

Don't forget 2012 regular season McKinnie. Meanwhile John kept an over matched Oher at LT, KO at RT, and of course the rotating joke fest at LG that featured Ramon Harewood and the great Jah Reid. 3 positions were upgraded once John let McKinnie out the doghouse.

Would anyone really prefer to see Walker shutting down our #1 draft pick regularly? Besides, I think a lot of CBs in the NFL will get burned deep by Perriman in one on one drills. Not too many corners running a 4.3 these days

I would swap the loss from the 49ers to the Cardinals. Arizona has a good defense still and Carson should be still healthy at that point. He's fared well against Baltimore. I also think we beat Denver but we'll probably lose to like Miami or Pittsburgh in week 4 to balance that out

To be fair, we typically don't keep as many safeties as we did last season. I think we kept like 7 last year due to only starting week 1 with 5 total CBs, of which one was already hurting. Normally we keep 4-5 safeties so those named may very well be it since we have decent CB depth, on paper.

The Ravens have a history. Their #1 pick may not always start week one but he more than likely starts by week 4. And Williams is already ahead of Gilmore and Boyle. They traded up in the second round for him. Arthur Brown took an entire season to grasp the playbook if I'm not mistaken. Unless Maxx shows he doesn't understand the play calling on a similar level, I severely doubt he starts the season any lower than 2nd on the depth chart.

T.Y. Hilton and Andre Johnson were already set as the starters. They also had a very good #3 in Donte Moncrief, who can still get better. Then finally, they signed 6'5 Duron Carter. When these are your top 4 WRs, you don't waste, yes waste, a 1st round draft pick on another WR after watching your team lose a playoff game because a mediocre RB ran all over them.

Wait, nobody touched on the bolded. You're mad at Ozzie for drafting Kindle instead of Gronk.......but Gronk was drafted before the Ravens were on the board in that round. So Ozzie never actually drafted Kindle over Gronk. And it's not like Ozzie could have known Kindle would take a drunken swan dive down two flights of stairs. His career flopped because of stupid decisions (drinking) outside of football that led to an on the field handicap (no hearing out of one ear and constant vertigo due to head trauma.

So much in this post confusing me. How do we "know" Campanero is better than most of our slot guys??? His 7 total catches on the 2014 season tells that? And I don't see how Marlon was horrendous either

Now this I don't even think is close. It's Harbaugh without question and it has been since he matched Tomlin's ring in 2012. Coaches are definitely judged on wins and John has a higher regular season win percentage while also having more playoff wins than the other three divisional coaches combined (although that's not saying much with Cleveland and Cincinnatti)

Not to pile on but PFF's seasonal rankings are cumulative of each week of that year. Since the end of year rankings go by the totals added up from each week, playoffs included, wouldn't ranking 6th overall for 2014 after missing 6 total games imply that he was, in fact, one of the top safeties in the league? I don't have a subscription but I'm willing to bet the 5 safeties above him for 2014 played more games, and thus had more numbers to add into that ending total/ranking. I can see that they ranked Harrison Smith, Devin McCourtey, and Eric Weddle on their top 101. Weddle and Smith had 16 games to accumulate points. McCourtey had 19. All these are against Hill's 12 (of which I don't recall if he was even full time his first game back). Anybody with a subscription able to post what the safeties ahead of Hill had as their seasonal total? I see above that Hill had 9.3 grade on the season. If the other 5 players are that much better than their grade shouldn't be close enough that 4-6 more games for Hill would have mattered

If the bolded happens then he won't make the 53 man roster. Being out all offseason and only playing 2 preseason games would spell doom for Camp. This isn't like in 2013 when Marlon did that while we had no WR depth (after Jacoby went down in week 1 the #3 receiver that game was a 7th rounder we cut the following season). There's too much potential at WR right now and they'd all have to flop for Campanero to come in preseason game 3 and still get a roster spot. Perriman, Smith Sr., Brown, and likely Aiken and the safest (although the last two aren't completely safe). Waller, Carter, Worthy, Robinson and Butler would spend the next 2+ months fighting for likely 2 spots. No way they all flop enough for Camp to sneak in with just 2 weeks in the offseason under his belt

If he signs on as a corner then it's going to hurt the chances of a player like Carter making the roster. It's something that's not getting too much talk right now (at least not in a panicky way) but return man is probably the biggest question mark on the team right now

I think it's more about the potential at WR for most. It's not that anyone really wants to see Camp cut so much as they'd rather not see a roster spot go to a constantly injured guy while a potentially good WR gets cut in his place. Besides, many aren't really counting on KLM either as of now

Yeah, Torrey became a starter after Evans went down but that's kind of my point, the offense needed a deep threat. They did trade for Evans after Torrey bombed (Doss and Williams actually looked good that offseason btw) and Evans was supposed to be the deep threat. He went down so they went back to the guy who sucked between May and August because speed was needed. And I'm not sure I agree about John thinking we'd resign Torrey. Did they even make Torrey a real offer? I'm pretty sure Ozzie and company would let that head coach know their intent well beforehand. Even Torrey was fairly confident it was his last season as early as week 16 or something so John should have known also. Plus reducing Steve's role is to keep him fresh later in the season, not because they figured they'd have Torrey around

For the bolded, I think it's important but that's not the heaviest aspect for me. Another big aspect is accuracy. Joe has one season out of 7 where he threw for above 63% in completions with 3 in a row being under 60%. Ben has 7 out of 11 over 63% and only 2 under 60%. If Ben's career ended right now, when Joe reached the end of his 11th season Ben would still win this category. Now to be fair you can blame that on the Ravens inability to put great weapons, that stay healthy, around Joe where as Ben has gotten better talent (at the WR position, not o-line). There's more but these are important ones, to me at least

Ben is simply a better QB under pressure. If both have a great o-line then it's close. If both have a garbage o-line then Ben is easily better. Joe, unfortunately, has been one of the worst QBs when facing heavy pressure. Every QB drops in performance but Joe has been near the bottom consistently in that aspect. Also, I'm taking AJ Green over Antonio Brown. The QB argument is an important one as Ben and Dalton aren't even close. Brown had the better season last year with the better QB. The fact that Green was better the previous three years gives him a nice edge for me. Also, last season Brown saw almost 70 more targets and Green missed 3 games while playing a few more noticeably injured. Antonio Brown had the better 2014 but he's not the better receiver. Also, I'm not sure I'd put KO over Bitonio. I can't research run blocking performance, but Bitonio was better against the pass. Osemele - 5 penalties and 3 sacks allowed for 28.5 lost yards. Bitonio - 5 penalties and 1.5 sacks allowed for a 12.5 yard loss It's close. 3 of Osemele's penalties were holding so that's 30 yards lost at least. He has no false starts on record so I'm guessing the other 2 were personal fouls which would bring him to 60 lost yards. Bitonio had 3 false starts so that's 15 yards, a holding, and I'm guessing a personal foul also. That brings up to 40 lost yards. I don't subscribe to PFF so I'm not sure how they rate against the run so maybe Osemele has a big advantage there.

He's a walking injury. Sheesh

Some may think Perriman might not be a starter but there's really no question about it to me. The last time a Ravens 1st round pick didn't start as a rookie was 2003 with Suggs (and I'm intentionally not including Jimmy who got injured the first game on the opening kickoff because rumors had him being a starter up until then). Perriman will start unless he absolutely bombs the offseason because this team simply needs a deep threat and his first round pedigree will make him a starter. Even Torrey, who actually did bomb his rookie offseason, ended up starting because the team needed a deep threat. Also, Smith Sr. will likely be a starter but I see a 3rd WR being added to more plays than not and Smitty being moved to the inside a ton. With John already stating that his role will be reduced, I simply have Steve as the 2015 slot receiver (meaning he'll take more slot snaps than anybody else). Steve's shifty style is far more suited for the slot and honestly, I can't see them bringing in a Campanero or Carter as a 3rd receiver over a Brown or Aiken.

I'll probably get more down votes, like the post you quoted, but for the bolded, how many of the, let's say, last 10 superbowl teams truly featured a "short, quick, shifty receiver"? I won't be surprised if every one of those teams had one somewhere, but how many actually were a factor? New England is one. I'm not saying it having one won't help. But having a Boldin type helps, having a Torrey type helps, having a Vincent Jackson type helps, etc. My only point has been that it's becoming an overrated comment on here, to me anyway. We don't need one to win and honestly, with people expecting Buck/Forsett to catch some passes, Maxx/Pitta to be featured in this offense, Perriman/Waller to contribute as rookies, and of course Smith Sr. to get his catches (OUT OF THE FREAKING SLOT mostly likely), I don't know why people feel this is needed to be successful.

Touissant, Reid (does he count?), Jacobs, and Jensen.

I don't get why this is a concern. We're talking an additional 13 yards. It's not like all extra points barely go through the upright as is. Every single one Tucker, Stover, Cundiff, Haushka, or any other kick has ever kicked has at least another 20 yards on it and is stopped by the net. If kickers have to put any additional leg strength into it, I doubt it would be enough to cause fatigue when they probably rest a good 50 total minutes (of football time, which doesn't include time outs, end of quarters, and penalties) a game. There's no reason to keep 2 kickers and waste an additional roster spot.

I wanted to say Marlon but to break out, to me, he'd have to surpass his 7 TDs in a season and I doubt that happens. So I'm going with Timmy Jernigan. I see Jernigan as a force on the line, both stopping the run and collapsing the pocket to make things easier on the aging OLBs. I see Jernigan having 7 sacks this season from the line

Honestly, I don't see Butler making the team unless he looks just leaps and bounds better than the others between now and mid August. I think he goes the Deonte Thompson route. Remember, in 2013 Thompson was supposed to be the #2 or #3 guy, according to pretty much all reports, until he got injured. That was the last we saw of him. I see Butler unfortunately going the same route. He had a leg up on Aiken last year before the injury and now Kamar is somewhat proven in this offense and Butler is still a huge question.