Purple_City39

I'm going to agree that 5 spots isn't worth it. You're giving up a decent interior pass rusher and good run stopper, for 5 spots. I'd rather they just let him ball out in a contract year, and leave and get an entirely new draft pick for him. they could trade a 5th or 6th to move up 5 spots and I definitely think Timmy, in a contract year, is worth more than a 5th or 6th.

I actually hope the Ravens offer Cleveland a 7th, or even 6th, and they take it. Gordon is an interesting prospect right now. He's one mistake from a permanent ban so he can't cost all that much, even if he balls out this year and needs a contract next season (I don't know his current contract length). At the same time, I think he might have matured since he was actually reinstated last year and withdrew himself to go to rehab. That takes some growing up imo. And yeah, he's ripped right now. He has the potential to be so dominant if he can keep his head on straight

Yeah, I said this on another post, in regards to the ILB #2. Since the switch to the 3-4 base defense, the Ravens have had one 1st round LB and one undrafted free agent as the two starters from 2005 to 2012 after Ray retired. 2014 again added that 1st round round ILB #1. I've hated the possibility that we'd draft an ILB in round one (many were hopeful at one point) when this front office has beyond proven they can spot talent at the second ILB position and this team has bigger needs that should rank higher on the BPA board at 16

I never thought they'd pay both Williams and Jernigan (and would have rather kept Timmy between the two) but I definitely still thought he'd at least finish out his rookie deal here. Maybe they'll give Pierce his spot. I'm curious as to what they could get for him

In all honesty, I see what the front office is doing and it's not a bad idea. They are basically doing the same thing Pittsburgh did, but opposite. The Steelers kept throwing talent on the offensive side while ignoring the defense. Now they are paying those players to retain them while focusing on defense. It lead to an AFC Championship appearance and three straight years of playoff appearances after missing two in a row (2012 and 2013). The Ravens have focused on defense, likely to combat that Steelers offense (which, if we're being honest, they've done better than most teams). As of now, the only defensive starters we have over the age of 28 are Weddle (32) and Carr (30). Possibly McClellan depending on who's the "starter" next to Mosely as of March 21st, 2017. The only backups over 28 is Levine (29). That's 4 total defensive players over the age of 28. They've built a young defense that can spend the next few years contending with, and limiting, those top AFC offenses like Pittsburgh, New England, and Oakland. Now, they can focus on offensive youth in the draft and add more going forward in free agency. And if they are really focused on regaining a power run game, then having the type of defense they just built could have this team once again looking like the 08 Ravens, but with a more a better and more experienced version of the rookie QB who made it to the Championship round on the back of the defense and run game. The more I've thought about it, the more I'll be surprised if WR is NOT the pick at 16. Maybe if all 3 are taken before hand. Davis has ridiculous potential, Williams is already pro-ready and could be a dominant intermediate threat, and Ross is looking like a less feisty and younger Steve Smith Sr. If all three are gone, I'd expect an edge rusher to round out the defense and a WR in the second (Zay Jones). Sorry for the long post but, to me, it looks like the front office is building something that's slowly coming to fruition. It'll come down to the finalized o-line imo

Should have read this post first. Okay, as I already knew, the contract amount does factor. Didn't know there was a max of 32 comp picks though. That's interesting. That chart suggests that you may always be eligible for at least a 7th so long as there aren't 32 or more higher contracts above the player you lost. Maybe you do get something regardless (so long as it's within the 32)

Yeah, those things definitely contribute to how high of a pick you get, with the highest being a 3rd rounder. I just can't remember if there's a floor or not. I don't think it's an automatic comp pick for losing a player, I believe they have to reach a specific set of qualifiers starting with contract amount. I'm just not positive on it

Isn't there some sort of qualification on this also? The player must have x amount of time played and the contract must be x amount of money. If someone knows, please share that info.

Orr won't count because he retired as opposed to went to another team. Same reason SSS won't count. The Cowboys dead money for Carr.......is actually a great question. I just noticed they have 2.7M allocated to dead cap for him, per "over the cap", and that honestly doesn't make sense to me EDIT: Grimm explained it.

I see people still want a CB in the first round. I definitely want Davis/Williams in the first and then, as mentioned above, grabbing Jones in the 2nd or 3rd to stash for a year. The Cowboys were willing to spend a 2nd on Jaylon Smith and he'll help them this year. Grab Sidney Jones on day 2 and play him in 2018

Hmm. I'd assume this signing takes CB off the first round target list, but I wonder if the Ravens will try and grab Sidney Jones in the second or early third as a "planning for the future" pick

Everything going on, to me, looks like the Ravens are purely focused on the run. On both sides of the ball. We sign a great in the box safety and re-sign our NT, while letting the RT who was an excellent pass blocker go because he wasn't a strong run blocker. And now trading the center who go zero push in the run game. I'm going to guess that Jensen ends up the starting center because he's considered a "mauler". I know a lot of people remember that one play, but run blocking is pretty much his main strength.. My main question is RT. I really don't know much about Wesly or Nembot, and Alex Lewis is essentially Rick Wagner-lite if moved to RT, but way cheaper

Curious about a few things. 1. How is your first issue with Flacco that he doesn't run out of the pocket? He's a pocket passer, not a scrambling QB (although he can and has). 2. "he just tries to bomb it down field on almost every pass" - Did you spend last season watching old games from the Cam Cameron era?? 3. How did you bring yourself to include Forsett in the 6 RBs comment while also mentioning that we "just" let him go (about half a year ago)

It's very rare, but it happens. Dolphins traded Welker to Patriots. Eagles traded McNabb to Skins Steelers traded a future 3rd to Browns for their 4th to draft Shamarko Thomas. I'm sure there's more. But again, it's rare, but it happens. I don't know if this one would, but there's always a chance

I would lose my mind if we got DeAndre Hopkins next year. It'd be such a fantastic signing I would lose my mind if this happened also, but for the opposite reason. This would be a huge blunder by the front office to trade the #16 pick for Malcolm Butler

As a follow up, I just looked for that play and can't find it anywhere on video. So I'm not going to comment, or make guesses, as to how that play occured.

It doesn't freaking matter as it doesn't change my point. You just found something to grab onto so you could do your usual "swoop in and drop a one-liner" posts. I don't care the position, I don't care the task, if a player isn't on the field for passing downs, in a passing league, then that player isn't worth almost 11M a season nor are they the best player on the field. Hell, I know you agree as you're not even arguing the point you jumped in on. You decided to pick and choose another area so you can......I don't know, feel good about yourself? Speaking of which: That's it? You're going to compare 4 seasons of each of their careers are justify it with a few playoff games? Amazing. You really will reach huh? But since you want to discuss: In Williams' career as a 3-4 NT (4 seasons), he has 5.5 total sacks including playoffs In Gregg's first 4 seasons as a 3-4 NT (to keep it even), he had 9.5 sacks. For the record, I'm also including the entire 2008 season THAT GREGG DIDN'T PLAY DUE TO INJURY. You can keep digging for ways to cherry pick things to prove your point since a fair comparison hurts your argument. Three seasons of Greg almost doubles 4 seasons of Williams. Four full seasons of Gregg actually does that. But to repeat the main point again, I'll list it in two easy points: 1. In a passing league, if a player only plays 60% of the snaps, for any reason, that player is not worth almost 11M per season, in my opinion (and clearly many others), nor can they be considered the best player on the team Side note, when I get home I'm going to look up that sack. I don't remember it so I want to see if Williams simply made a good play or if the QB ran into him trying to escape someone else (or he fell and go touched down). If it's anything but the former it'll be hilarious to me

You keep saying this as if it changes my original point. The best player on your team simply can't be someone who's on the field 60% of the snaps, regardless of the reason. Is this a specific enough statement?? Good god man. Just because I point out that he comes off the field in passing situations (as a reason I don't like him being paid what he was paid or why I don't think he can be the best player on the team) doesn't equal not knowing what a 3-4 NT does. And for the record, as already pointed out, we've had two different players play the NT position in the Ravens 3-4 that didn't need to be pulled, but that's not part of the current point you jumped into.

Well, clearly the Ravens will too. But when praising someone as being the best on the team, I remove anyone that has to be removed during obvious passing situations........in a passing league.

I don't think you get it. Joe's 24M cap hit is destroying the team and the only way to fix it is to almost double that cap hit while he plays for another team. With Ryan Mallett at the helm, and Cleveland's 2 first rounders that we'll spend on a DE and WR, we'll dominate the league!!!! We'll just ask every other player to take a pay cut to mitigate Joe's dead cap hit and I'm sure they'll all do it with a smile. /sarcasm

"All those first rounders". Really? The only first rounders he has have both played one season. How dare a QB need actual talent around him to perform well!! If he can't win games with leftovers then he shouldn't be in the NFL /sarcasm

......for 60% of the plays?

Whereas Zuttah allowed 3.5 sacks last season, let's also remember that as a center, he almost always has help from a guard. Wagner as a RT will occasionally get help from a TE, but it's far more rare. In addition, this is pure numbers that can be researched, but Wagner was not pushed into the backfield even comparably as much as Zuttah. Jeremy gave our QB little to no room to ever step up into the pocket. Meanwhile Wagner consistently moved his man out of the play. And okay, you've called out my memory, so do you remember the last time a RT played as well as Wagner? Everyone's making RT out to be some easy to replace position and I don't get it. Especially this year.

I'm curious about your opinion on something. When was the last time the Ravens had a truly good RT in your opinion? Osemele was a great guard, and great run blocker. But those 8 sacks allowed and 7 penalties his rookie year at Rt were pretty bad, but he was a rookie I guess.. Oher was as durable as they come, but his performance was always right up there with Osemele's rookie year or worse. Both very good run blockers but just bad pass blockers. Meanwhile, Wagner has never allowed even 3 sacks in one season (which is amazing if you remember he allowed 2 in week 1 of 2014) and he's only exceed 3 total penalties 1 (he had 4 in 2015). He's not a great run blocker, but again, this is a passing league and you need to protect your QB with good pass blockers first. I can't remember the last time we've had a RT perform at Wagner's level, let alone for as many years as Rick's done it in a row. I can, however, remember the last time we've had a run stopping DT/NT do a good job of eating up blocks though

Yeah so Gregg was pulling the same sack numbers from 02-05 (although 05 was the first year switch to the 3-4 IIRC, he still did it before Ngata). No, Jernigan is not currently on Ngata's prime level, and neither is Williams. Ngata didn't have to come off the field consistently on obvious passing downs. 11M for 60% of the snaps just doesn't seem like a solid investment to me. And I know who let the RT walk. Do we need to be this literal?