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Here's to hoping the tackles we have left can do a decent, if not better job at RT if they make it.

37 minutes ago, budman said:

Probably not at the money he is looking for. Pierce will fill in nicely.

Pierce, Willie Henry and Carl Davis. I'm not that worried about the DT position at all, really the more I think about it.

28 minutes ago, The Negotiator said:

Smith couldn't get it done when we played New England, what makes you think he can do it now!

For one, in the 2 years he's been at San Fran he only put 7 TDs and had career lows in receptions, when he had that exact output with more catches in just his rookie season. Also, Flacco was throwing to him all the time, whereas in San Fran it was Kaepernick but also Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder.

34 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

I'm just praying for a miracle in the draft because if not we are going to have a overhaul in the coaching department and the FO

All entirely dependent on who we pick and how well they transition into the pros. 

20 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

absolutely spot on ! I could not agree more.  Joe is not comparable to the Qbs capable of  carrying their teams.... he simply isn't  talented enough. We need to focus on a strong defense and a solid run game. Couple those two with the fact Tucker can kick it from midfield and we will be in a position to compete and win  every week.

Or we could get better WRs in addition to a strong defense, solid run game and such and move forward.

It would be nice if we didn't have to fret about wide receivers in FA every year and instead picked a legit good one in the draft.

14 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

I was referring the article mentioning the possibility of cutting players like Doom, Wallace , Webb , Pitta , Watson

Doom's up there in age, he only played 8 games this year and his play kinda fell off. Webb is pretty decent as a safety, Pitta's a good TE but blocking is terrible, Watson did nothing as he was on IR and Wallace is pretty much our best WR so he's a must-keep.

16 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

hahaha ummmm so If Im reading this correctly and I'd like to think I am It sounds as if the Ravens will not be retaining any of their top soon to be free agents while also cutting some of their better players in order to create cap space and void bad deals. Soooooooo the good news is coming in the afternoon right ???

Shareece Wright and Kendrick Lewis weren't exactly "good" players when they were here.

So much for Brandon Marshall wearing the purple and black....

Thank God we got rid of Wright, he was a pain to watch. Arrington should be next on the chopping block.

50 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I'd qualify that with - your season is over when your franchise QB gets injured and misses a significant number of games or is out for the post season.

IMO the purpose of the quality back up QB is to be able to weather a handful of games that your franchise QB is out. If he's out for 4 games, for example, lets say a quality back up gets you 2-2 over that stretch and a bad one is a guaranteed 0-4. That 2 game difference can be the difference between making and not making the playoffs. As long as the franchise QB is back at the end of the season and going into the playoffs, that quality backup can save your season. 

We're spoiled, because the only time Flacco has been out, he was out for the season. That may not be the way he finishes his career though. I think the best example of this in action has been the Steelers. Ben is routinely out for a few weeks and they've had guys who have allowed them to fill the gap. I don't know how many of them we would qualify as "quality" but they've all seemed to be a good fit with the team and allowed them to avoid a crater in the middle of their season. 

To piggyback on this, I'd like to point out that 2014 was the last time that Ben played a full 16-game season. This past season he missed 2 games, one was against the Pats and the Steelers lost. The season before (2015) he missed a 4 game stretch and the Steelers were 2-2 there, with one of those being against us and Michael Vick was the starter.

1 hour ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

You just proved my point with your own silly argument. With sub standard players at certain positions we were a divisional round team because you can scheme around weakness. 

You can't scheme around a bad Qb. You complain about 2014?? Take a look at 2015....

we need an insurance policy more 

Everything about 2015 was awful, every single thing. Anyway, my point is that we have other more pressing needs than a QB right now, and the 3 positions I named are proof. We need better WRs who can make plays, aside from Mike Wallace, we need pass rushers to complement an aging Suggs and Doom if/when he gets cut and we need cornerbacks because Shareece Wright isn't getting it done and Jimmy is good but was hurt half the year. 

30 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Brad Kaaya -2nd Round
Look what the Patriots did with Jimmy G ... the Ravens need to follow suit as Flacco is no spring chicken. Why not start grooming a guy now? Don't talk to me about other needs, without a reliable backup your season is over when the starter goes down. I'd rather not wait until round 7 to draft ball state college of technology keith Wenning

I hate to break it to you but we desperately NEED another WR on the roster, and a pass rusher and a CB or two. Those need to come first, particularly the latter two. I don't think I need to bring up the 2014 season where we kept rotating cornerbacks day in and day out and eventually that did us in during the divisional round of the playoffs.

The more I think about it, the more I'm not gonna be too upset if Brandon Williams goes elsewhere, it's been stressed that Willie Henry, Michael Pierce and Carl Davis can fill in for him adequately. I'm more concerned about Wagner and Juice staying now.

He's about a year and a half removed from his first major injury, so he's got no excuse to play better this year. I understand him throwing caution into the wind since the ACL tear. 

Since the 2012 year has been mentioned quite a few times here, I'd like to point out that his playing that year in the postseason and his postseason gameplay in general is exceedingly well. His total playoff record is 10-5 and he's thrown 25 TDs to just 10 INTs in that time, with 1 rushing TD, so I wouldn't really call his great run in 2012 an anomaly.

58 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

Wallace is our only consistently good receiver, so him staying should be a no-brainer.

To me, I'm actually real comfortable with Alex Lewis as a Guard, but keeping Wagner definitely boosts my confidence for next year. Although, I'd like to see more from Nembot and Wesley too.

27 minutes ago, GENE2407 said:

Giving up that 3rd rounder to move up and take Jalen Ramsey seems like a no-brainer now. Too late.

But we got Ronnie Stanley, who seems to be doing just fine with us now.

I'd rather we use one of those picks to get another pass rusher, I feel more comfortable in getting a new face than spending more money on a free agent pass rusher, instead putting that money to some other position like WR or something.

21 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I think short of Ryan Jensen, the rest are all gone. We'll be fine though. The loss of these guys will help us with comp picks for next year and all three are replaceable with either existing players, free agency or the draft. Wagner will be the toughest replacement, but Alex Lewis can excel there over time. As for Juice, I feel Boyle can replace him as a second blocking TE clearing lanes for the RB. Brandon Williams will be replaced by a rotation of Pierce, Henry and Davis.

This. I would LOVE it if we re-signed Williams but I'm more than confident one of those 3 will fill in nicely if he does in fact, go somewhere else.

I couldn't care less about Matt Elam's future at this point, he's not that good a safety and needs to be let go. Brandon Williams, Wagner and Juice, at least one of them needs to be resigned.

37 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And the downside, of course, is that none of the guys on the roster have shown much as NFL players, other than the faint glimmer or two of quality play, mixed in with very erratic and inconsistent play.

While I don't necessarily disagree with cutting Pitta, I would say confidently that we aren't going to just cut him and Watson and just roll with Crockett, Maxx, Boyle and Waller as our TEs.

That's a recipe for absolute failure at the position in my eyes.

Oh by no means was I suggesting we cut Pitta, only that there's others we have to become probable starters if we do. Gillmore has shown the most as far as quality and stats, though Boyle is a decent 2nd.

The upside to cutting Flacco's favorite target is another 4 guys to pick up his slack in the event that this happens.

25 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Unfortunately.... our FO and HC stated after the season that they thought Joe's injury hurt him this year. I think that survival does (just as you mentioned) to people. They don't make the decisions that are best for the team but the best for survival. Get the ball out of your hand ASAP and hope for the best. That is what Joes season looked like. I guess that I get that from Joe's end... the problem that I have with it... is that if the FO and HC knew that he was unable to perform at the necessary level and that he was simply making survival decisions... why was it allowed to continue.

Why not play Mallet a few games and give us a chance? That is in no way suggesting that Mallet is better then Joe -just say that Mallet is better then a 50% Joe- who cannot go through his progressions bc of the injury that he has or bc of the fear of exacerbating his injury.

Because Mallet doesn't give us much chance. He's on his 3rd team, got kicked off the Texans, has a bad TD-INT ratio overall and the very last time he took over for Joe his second throw was an INT in Cincy. He only got called upon for Baltimore because we had already lost other QBs back in 2015 after Flacco went down, so he was more of a desperation play and even in those 2 games he only played well in one of them.