n#7

IMO the problem with cincy is that the inmates run the asylum.  You can't take a lot of those types and put them together and expect them to mature.  You have to have other high quality/character types of guys who can not just help on the field but guide the younger guys off the field.  

 

If burfict is your best player and "leader" who the hell reigns him in

What are the coaches getting paid for? It's not the duty of players to discipline their own although that sometimes does happen with fellas like a Lewis or Reed. However, they are few and far between but the ones are usually much respected veterans on and off the field.

Maybe we go defense because of all the games we gave away in the 4th Q the
last two years. Was the defense not the offense. Do away with your short memories.

Yes and the last game exemplified that area of concern.

  4 hours ago, n#7 said:

Agreed on yesterday's pick. What a waste and Harbaugh will be the one to get the axe, not the FO. The best DB in football is only as good as the ability of the DL to get to the QB. The Steelers sure aren't quaking in their boots at that pick. Big Ben still looks to have all day when the chips are down.

Coverage sacks are and will continue to be a thing in the NFL.

What do you think has a higher probability of success in the NFL?
Coverage sacks or pressure on the QB? According to the vast majority of experts it's the later, by far. You can only last so long in coverage but a good pass rush makes all DB's look good. It would seem like that last drive by the Steelers, after a great O drive and only a minute left, would have convinced anyone that the R's need a play maker on D, a pass rushing play maker.

As someone who has had a history of negatively over reacting to first rounders in the past, let me start by saying I was a little shocked and confused at the Humphrey pick.

The more I watched game film and learn about his athletic background (could have been a NCAA champ and Olympian in track and field) I believe this was a very solid pick. Add in the fact that Lattimore has major hamstring issues while Humphrey has been very durable and I'm betting the Raven's FO feels like they just got the #1 CB in the draft.

There is still time and a lot of talent in the next 46 picks (32-78) to address the 3 major needs at OT/OG, Pass Rusher and WR. It would be foolish to try to predict what order they will come, but as long as we come away from tonight and the next 46 picks having addressed those needs I will be happy.

We will still have 3 more picks on Saturday so I don't see any need to get too cute with trading picks tonight. They can use the 3 picks on Saturday to get quality depth at Center, RB and ILB.

This can very much still be a great draft!

And how did he look when Watson & Williams torched him and the Ala. D?

Perfect day 2 scenario.. that would make up for Yesterdays garbage pick.

Rnd 2 47 Zay Jones, Smith Schuster WRs, or Williams, Lawson, Rivers, Bowser Pass Rushers
Rnd 3 picks 74&78 Moton, or Dawkins for 1 pk, either WR or Pass rush whatever you dont get in rnd 2..

Agreed on yesterday's pick. What a waste and Harbaugh will be the one to get the axe, not the FO. The best DB in football is only as good as the ability of the DL to get to the QB. The Steelers sure aren't quaking in their boots at that pick. Big Ben still looks to have all day when the chips are down.

I'm still sold on taking either a WR or a D-lineman because we desperately need both in case the other guys we have don't cut it.

Agreed!

Horrendous and the nightmare of all parents and grandparents. The Heap family will stay in our family's thoughts and prayers for a long time to come.

Per Z47 Seahawks...Sherman not going anywhere. Good news because the last thing the Ravens need is to give up a future #1 pick for a 30 yrs. old CB.

Either a pass rushing play maker or a WR in the same mold. Williams seems to fit right in but so do a couple of other WR's.

Then the thinking needs to change Eric, because maintaining a competitive edge is how you guys make your money. If there is parity, then create an edge somewhere somehow. That's why you guys are all paid the big bucks no?

Yes.

My money is on pass rusher or receiver. 

Bingo

  9 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

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  20 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

WELL ... Barnett has just become more of a real consideration bc we just traded Timmy Jernigan plus our # 99 overall pick for their # 74 overall pick.

IDK... I don't like it. I know that we were going to lose Timmy but If we would have moved up 25 spots and got an extra 5th rounder from them.. I would have felt good about it... but

Even we just let him play his contract out and lost him... we would have gotten a 4th round pick for him. So basically we traded a starter at 3rd round pick and a 4th round to move up 25 spots this year in the 3rd round?

what makes you think we would have gotten a 4th round pick for him? That's not a guarantee.

Nope you are right we could have got a 3rd.... I was just being conservative in making my point but your right.... we may have traded away a starter and two 3rd round picks for a higher 3rd round pick! SMH

A 3rd? LOL. It's more likely we would've received a 5th, or nothing than a 3rd.
This is another A+ move by the FO this offseason.
Short Term, and Long Term

i want what your smoking

No you don't. :)

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

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  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

Agreed. The Eagles, at least on paper, walked away from this the winners. How TJ performs and more importantly, who they draft and his impact will be the final determinative factor on the success of this transaction.

Said it many times and will do so one more time...they need a legit. D lineman who can not only pressure the QB but be able to handle an O lineman. It's tough for a LB to get around an O lineman who weighs 50-75 lbs more. Oh, and one other thing...draft someone who will be able to get and stay on the field and not just be a paper player.

T Jernigan and 2nd round pick
for R Sherman

For a 30 yrs. old?

Wouldn't surprise me!

In fact I think this is one of the reasons we have not released Watson yet. Bottom line. Max is a bust. Waller is average. Gilmore is an average blocker only. Boyle showed promise but off the field issues. None of these names are game changers. However, if pair Pitta with Howard that will be a serious problem for any defense with speed at WR!

Pros
We need to control the middle of the field by a slot WR or TE. Howard would be featured in the slot alot with Pitta on the field spreading out linebackers for our run game.

A serious redzone threat!

Save 4-5 mil by cutting Watson.

Cons
We need other positions addressed well before TE.

  On 3/22/2017 at 3:53 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

Awuzie looks really versatile and underrated. Tough kid that can play inside and outside. I think that would be a terrific 2nd round pick if he's still there. Though I'm really hoping we Ju Ju Smith in the 2nd if we don't take a wr in the first.
There are about 4 positions I wish we would go between the first and second round which is tough- Pass Rush, Wr, CB, and Center
I would love it if we traded up in the second round to take at least 2 2nd round picks. Especially considering at least half of the second rounders this year would normally go in the first in most drafts. I really don't think there's much of a drop off between picks 20-50 or 60 this year.
Here are 4 names. I really hope we draft at least 2 of them
Ju Ju Smith
Chidobe Awuzie
Ethan Pocic
Barnett

unfortunately i see ozzie trading back to hoard more picks but it would be nice to see him stay put

Or maybe move up for an elite player of need!

He is reputed to be a third down back... good blocker and excellent receiver. He also consistently racks up a lot more yardage after first contact than say Pita. He might just see a lot of targets this year.

Taking the place of Juice's duties.

Welcome aboard Danny Boy and a happy St. Patrick's day to one and all.

we were gonna save 3.5 million and get pick 198 but now becuz of the wisdom of Ozzie we save 5.8 millon and get pick number 186.

Stop making sense. It's giving us headaches.

Thank the Lord that the Ravens signed Jefferson. If I have to read anything more about Matt Elam, I am gonna puke. He was a bust from the get go. Yet another wasted first round pick. Since the Ravens have made a constant of blowing high draft picks, it is good to see some free agent signings to improve the team.

Agreed on misses in the last few drafts. They must hut pay dirt this year or there will probably be new ones doing the drafting in '18.

So we have Kaufusi, Urban, Carl Davis, Willie Henry, B.Williams, M. Pierce and Timmy Jernigan rotating on the D-line with Suggs, Judon, Z. Smith and Correa rotating at OLB. I think if we add a pass rusher in the draft and the youngsters play hard, we'll be good.

Pass rusher is key. DB's are only as good as the pass rush. Of course there are exceptions with a specially talented DB but they're few and far between.

WR class not that deep this year. Given the injury history of Ross(projected mid 1st round) hopefully the Ravens will stick to a pass rusher, even if they have to move up to get quality. Generally not the R's style but one can never tell.

Pass rusher, pass rusher, pass rusher. Hopefully one that can also be seen as a legit D lineman. The better a team pressures the QB the better the DB's will look.

I am probably a cult of one but I would like to keep Aiken and USE him more.

Cult must be a more than one and generally is a small group of people. :) Aiken would be alright to bring back but he doesn't fulfill the need for another young speedster on the outside. Possession type and the R's have plenty of those.