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Just saying, we could set the "statue" standard at those guys who are Hall of Famers. I think some people assume there are tons of Colts' players that would clog up the stadium entrances, but there are only 9 players from the olden days that are Hallers.

http://www.coltsheritage.com/hall.php

Look, I said it last week but it bears repeating. The argument about not having a statue for Ogden or Marchetti or Raymond Berry when talking about Ed Reed doesn't hold water for this reason. Ed Reed is a position-defining player. Ogden is ONE OF the best tackles among a plethora. Marchetti was a dominating Defensive end among Deacon Jones and Youngblood down to Reggie White and now Watt. Raymond Berry one could make an argument for because Unitas and Berry had their timing patterns down to a science while everyone else was still swinging from trees.

But the story of free safety-dom cannot be told without Ed Reed. He defines what it means to be a ball-hawk. What it means to truly "play center field." Ravens fans can be faulted for being homers, but I dare-say even if you poll fans from around the country, they'll agree that he was a once-in-a-several-lifetimes type of player.

His legacy should not be overshadowed just because he lined up behind #52.

In the few videos I've seen of him he certainly looks the part. Plays with the aggression of a Raven. I wish for long, healthy, happy careers for all these kids.

Ravens rookie CB Julian Wilson suffered a broken leg during Friday's minicamp.Wilson will undergo surgery and is expected to miss the entire season. A priority UDFA signing, Wilson will likely be stashed on injured reserve.Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter May 8 - 8:19 PMI hope this isn't a repeat to our corner situation as last year. Please stay healthy OUR RAVENS.

This is tragic tragic news. Wish the best for the kid and his family and a speedy, full recovery. Hopefully guys like Pitta, KLM and Brent Urban can walk him through it and make sure he keeps his spirits up.

While I gave you a like, the only issue is if you put Reed out there, you gotta put Ogden too. How many statues can we fit?

I agree, that is a concern. I'm thinking the organization has had this debate internally as well.

If the criteria is simply any guy that's in the HOF then where do you draw the line on guys that only played a few years for us that are in the Hall (i.e. Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Deion Sanders)? 

If it's guys that played their entire careers here then why Reed over Ogden?

If it's only "iconic" players that definite the story of Baltimore Football then Unitas and Lewis make sense, but why not Reed? He was a big part of establishing Baltimore as a defensive juggernaut along with Lewis. But by this criteria it's impossible for an offensive lineman like Ogden to get a statued, since they aren't playmakers, but definitely game changers.

Ultimately it's a nebulous definition.

Anyone interested in a petition to get Ed Reed a statue at the Bank?

Whereas with Ray it was a no brainer to give him a statue I think us fans will have to start a campaign to get Ed one. It's not his fault that his time on the team coincided with the best MLB to ever play the game. Our minds have to be desciplined enough to realize that Ed Reed in his own right is a once-in-a-generation, iconicplayer. And that's not Ravens homers talking. The most true praise is that which your opponents lavish on you,because they have no incentive to respect you. But if your play and effort and impact is so awe-inspiring that EVEN your opponents are forced to respect it, clearly you've earned your place in Valhalla.

DO THE RIGHT THING Mr. Bisciotti. Give Eddie and Baltimore his statue next to the General and Johnny U.

If the league goes down the route of game suspension(s) it'd be better to suspend him for playoff games and not regular season games, since that is where they were caught. It'd send a stronger message as well. "You tamper with equipment or bribe staff to tamper with it, your entire season could be flushed down the toilet."

Obviously after this deflate gate no one is even going to think about trying to use deflated footballs, or anything even related to it in that matter. You guys underestimate the punishment of mass media. A mass media scandal is a teams worst nightmare. 

I agree with you there. I'm just gonna dabble is some pscho-analysis here, nothing provable or concrete, just a hunch.

I think that Brady, Bellichick and especially Kraft have been desperate to shake off the stink of spygate ever since that scandal broke. Though they'll deny it to their graves, it irks them, Kraft the most, that their previous three Lombardi's come with an asterisk in the mind of many many fans.

After spygate, they kept getting close to winning. The almost perfect season ruined. The Giants beat them in another close one. We beat them in the AFC Championship. They had another chance this year to make it and silence all the critics, and what happens? Right on the verge of being vindicated, their hopes get deflated.

You could tell all throughout the Super Bowl lead up, even to the point of the presentation of the Lombardi, that Kraft was really ticked off. And you can sense in his words from yesterday that he's incredibly irked that the one Super Bowl that was supposed to finally vidicate them has now been marred by this scandal.

But hey, that's the price you pay. Bill may be a great coach, and Tom is a great QB, but fundamentally they have little scoundrels inside their conscience that got fed up with never reaching the mountain top.

Frankly, I don't even buy that the "integrity of the league" is really in question. Just because somebody says that the integrity is in question on a fanboard or in a media article doesn't actually mean its true. If the integrity of the league where actually as low as some people seem to think it is... then why is viewership and revenues increasing? What does it say about the consumer that they are willing to continue to use the product/service, despite having questions about the integrity of the company? I don't know about most of you, but if there's a company that I buy goods/services from and I question the integrity of their business, I cease doing business with them. As consumers, we have that choice, and we have the exact same choice in regards to the NFL. That's why makes me chuckle about all of this fake "outrage" that fans seem to have, going all the way back to the Rice/Peterson incidents and even further back than that. If people are really as outraged as they say, and they really view the league's integrity in such a low fashion, how can you then tune your TV to ANY NFL game on Sunday's? How can you buy and wear that jersey? How can you attend games? It makes no sense... except it does. The sense it makes is... YOU'RE NOT REALLY OUTRAGED. You don't really think the leagues integrity is that big of an issue, because if you did, you'd do something about it. For me, it all comes down to the simple fact that people like to use the media and the internet to express selective morality, which is convenient only when it benefits you do be moral.

Yeah except the league is bigger than just Bellichick, Brady and the Patriots. The argument you're trying to make is like saying people should tune out because one guy used PEDs and wasn't adequately punished or a team like the Seahawks had a few players test positive. There are a host of other players and teams in the league that compete legitimately. It's these few that need to be weeded out and the league does try to weed them out. All we're doing is making sure the league weeds them out.

Sleazy as they may be, Belichick and Brady are great. We hate them because they win, and because the way they win isn't "honorable."

It's not the first time and won't be the last that someone makes the "we hate them cuz they win" argument.

I'd say that just as there are legitimately some people that simply hate the Patriots and Brady and Belichck because they've beaten our team in the past, there are those that equally will embrace a "no criticism of the Pats is legit cuz it's all rooted in resentment" argument.

Both are problematic. But in the case of wontonly and repeatedly cheating and pushing the limits of the rulebook, only to have more rules added to an already ridiculously letigous game of American Football - which now looks equal parts judicial procedure as athletic competition - is doing considerable damage to the integrity of the game.

Just look at the confusion and drama that unfolded Super Bowl week. Such an embarassment to the NFL. You've got Pete Carroll saying he had private conversations with Blandino saying they've discussed new signals for the refs. Then people react saying it's not fair to change signals and rules on the fly in the middle of a season. And then later that day Blandino publicly starts arguing and correcting the head ref saying there won't be any new signals. It's a mess. We're the majority of owners 'just mad cuz they win' when they chose to ban the ineligible receiver ruse?

And on the deflated balls. The previous poster is right, deliberatly rigging the very equipment that the game is played with is at least equally harmful to the integrity of the game and fair competition as players using PEDs.

Whereas with Ray it was a no brainer to give him a statue I think us fans will have to start a campaign to get Ed one. It's not his fault that his time on the team coincided with the best MLB to ever play the game. Our minds have to be desciplined enough to realize that Ed Reed in his own right is a once-in-a-generation, iconic player. And that's not Ravens homers talking. The most true praise is that which your opponents lavish on you, because they have no incentive to respect you. But if your play and effort and impact is so awe-inspiring that EVEN your opponents are forced to respect it, clearly you've earned your place in Valhalla.

DO THE RIGHT THING Mr. Bisciotti. Give Eddie and Baltimore his statue.

The Pats are just such a slimy organization. No one needs to guess at their attitude towards these gray area matters and their propensity towards 'pushing the envelope' on the rules. They can deny deflategate all they want, but the entire world witnessed their shenanigans against us. Is that football? Is that the kind of football us fans want played? Clearly not considering the owners stomped out that BS the first chance they got. This is the lasting legacy of the Bellichick/Brady era. More rules in reaction to the equivalent of an annoying smart-aleck dork of an organiztion whose desparation to win leads to their golden boy QB kicking Ed Reed in the mistas so he can take his most feared opponent off the field.

End of an era. He's the Greatest Safety of All Time, and it's not even close.

This here is just one example of his 64 picks. Bait the QB. Jump the route. Untouchable headed in the other direction. Ignite the crowd. Leave the enemy bewildered... Ed Reed.

https://youtu.be/IkVkQ_jNZtg

Cleveland really has some obnoxious reporters.

He's excited!? We're all excited! Have you seen this depth chart!?

Brandon Carr, Leon Hall, Jerraud Powers etc. There were quite a few potential June 1 cut candidates even before we entered the draft. Not to mention, we lost to Brady by 4 points with a decimated secondary. If we won we'd have gone to the Superbowl given the goose egg the Colts laid. We'll be fine even if we don't add vets.

Uh, Tray's a Walker, not a Jackson.

To be realistic Waller ran a 4.5 (average), and is a true 6'6(not 6'5 like Marlon who is actually 6'3 5/8). Also unlike Streeter, Waller has very soft hands, and plus body control. Waller is also one of the smartest players in the draft. The negative on Waller is he might not have the quicks to play wideout consistently, and might be better suited playing the slot like a move tightend where his match-up potential can be fully exploited.

Jimmy Graham 6'6" 260, 40yd time: 4.56; 20yd split: 2.66; 10yd split: 1.58 ; verticle 38.5; 20yd shuttle 4.45; 3 cone 6.90 

Darren Waller 6'6" 240, 40yd time: 4.46; 20yd split: 2.62; 10yd split: 1.57; verticle 37; 20yd shuttle 4.25; 3 cone 7.07

If used in the right contexts, we've essentially got a lighter, little quicker and more agile version of Jimmy Graham.  

LOL...  sounds logical...  and yeah, maybe there are a couple of players out there that were being selfish...  As for Maxx,  possibly the latter... and we all know how good the Browns are at drafting...  but yeah, if I'm out to get a spot on an NFL team???  It's gonna be about me and my abilities until I get into the playing situation where I can become a TEAM MATE.... 

Honestly though if any one of us were being interviewed by the Browns, wouldn't we want to sound as aloof and disinterested as possible? I mean who wants to work in the Factory of Sadness? Cmon.

How do you not mention Davis in this article? He was graded by many as a late 1st round/early 2nd round talent and we got him late in the 3rd. He's ticked off about it as well.  He's going to help fill the void on the Dline after Ngata's departure.

Well if it ticks him off than it should be the sworn duty of every member of Ravens Nation to tweet him 3 simple words -- #WhoAreYou?

Especially before Steelers games.

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/04/08/te-maxx-williams-attitude-problem-nfl-draft-fall/

Either a couple of teams pulled the stunt the Cowboys tried to pull with Shane Ray and scare people off so they could take him themselves, or two, he was a jerk and given his choice of words in his sitdown with Garrett, his parents intervened and slapped Maxx upside the head.

Not confused.... This was Friday, just after the pick:

Orange_Peanut

Posted 01 May 2015 - 08:55 PM

For everyone who likes Maxx Williams.

"That Minnesota tight end came across as all about himself from what people in our room said (at the combine). They were a little turned off by him." -- NFC regional scout

To which I responded that....

Why wouldn't you be... It's your time to sell yourself and get a job on an NFL team...

Honestly it shouldn't be a secret why this franchise continues to endure. Look at those behind-the-scene videos and how sharply focused and dialed in everyone looks. It's like Steve and Harbs andOz tell every position coach and scout and strength trainer that April and May is their contribution towards earning a Lombardi. Every second of tape, every phone call, every interview should be approached as if you're on the field in the 4th quarter down 4 in the AFC Championship against New England. Nail your assignment. Do your job. Make the play and we'll all walk out of here champions.

I don't want to rain on anybodys parade but Waller sounds like a lot like Tommy Streeter. I know I'm gonna get the negs on this but I remember us gushing over Streeters size and speed too.

That's not rain, it's a fair concern. A few people were talking about this. The noticable difference between Streeter (who, mind you, clocked a 4.37 40 at the combine)  and Waller is that inspite of weighing in at 219, he was lanky. Waller is 238 and he looks like a thick and imposing box-you-out type of receiver - who also can run 4.4.

The reason we waited til round 6 on him is cuz it's inaccurate to judge his capabilities given the system he was stuck in. It's clearly a risk. The few plays he made make one wonder whether he just suffered from an option, run heavy offense.

My only questionable pick was Boyle TE, because that almost guaranteed Ravens carry 4 TEs this year. Maxx Williams, likely starting TE, Pitta the question mark but could be starter if health holds up, and contract situation guarantees hes on roster, Gilmore the Smashmouth blocking TE everybody loves, who also showed he can catch when given opportunity. And lastly Boyle, another smashmouth type who could develop into a capable reveiver too. So it feels like Supernaw might be on the outs

You forgot to mention a guy that's on our roster as a TE/C/LS. That's Morgan Cox. He's only on a 1 year deal with us and long snappers aren't just long snappers, they also gun down the field after the fog clears to man their lanes in coverage against punt returns. Cox is coming off of an ACL tear so we'll need to have a TE/LS/gunner hybrid athlete in place in case the knee hasn't healed to the point that he can still be effective.

Boyle has that long snapping background. We essentially just filled 2 second string positions on FGs and punts, 1 possible starting position on the kickoff team, and added depth at the TE position for 1 5th round rookie contract.

Seen in that light it's an incredibly smart move.