Shaky End of the Quarter

No to Pryor, absolutely no track record. Ravens haven't been able to develop a WR and they expect to develop a WR that was a QB his entire career. Marshall or Kendall Wright. Oh and hell no to Revis.

Joe's contract has always been a sore spot to SOME fans , but not me, do I wish it could have been a smaller number, for cap reasons yes, but Joe is better than what any other QB we could get at this point, Those who think Joe is not the answer, look at- Philly, Washington, Minnesota, Chicago, San Fran, Rams, Arizona, Miami, Buffalo, Jets, Jax, Houston, Cleveland, Bengals, Denver, KC, San Diego.. Now tell me do you really want to get rid of Joe? I would like to Draft a QB, but this team needs a lot of youth in other areas first.

You forgot to mention Seattle. Wilson is garbage but at least he shows some emotion.

i sure hope PIERRE GARCON id added to this offense,still has plenty of TREAD and BLOCKS downfield.at the same time for some reason i think he's ready for 1 last FAT contract to retire on.

I Doubt Garcon will come to Bmore. SF will lure him with a bigger contract. Garcon and Shannahan have also worked together in the past. When Shannahan was in WAS he made Garcon the most targeted and receptions leader in the NFL the year before Shannahan left for ATL.

Forget about having Brady, we could have had Bellichek. Bellichek is the true mastermind. Even when Brady went down Pats finished 11-5 and went 3-1 to start this season without Brady. Pats have always needed a top 10 Def to win SB Championships. Brady is good but bellichek is way better.

  22 hours ago, Derrel said:

  On 12/30/2016 at 11:08 AM, JacktheRaven said:

9 wins is much better than 8. It's not meaningless! With all the off season babble, we'll feel much better about that 9th win.

9 wins 8 wins, it's a losing season.

You need a math lesson.

You need a reality check

  1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

I disagree, the won the Superbowl because everyone was healthy at the end of the season, they had a New OC in Jim Caldwell and they moved Osemele to LG. Ray had a Good game against the Colts but that was it.

Everyone was healthy in the playoff loss against the Patriots 2 years ago. What is your excuse for that one? That one is solely on Dean Pees. Dean Pees played soft the entire 2nd half and we gave up two 14 point leads. And just to be clear, I am not saying Ray was the only reason for our SB win, but the team rallied around him to send him into retirement with another ring. You failed to mention Reed's contributions, pollard's, Ihedigbo's, Anquan's contributions..... None of those guys were on the team 2 months after we raised the trophy.

  1 hour ago, Raven1995 said:

  1 hour ago, leziRav said:

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I really don't know what ails our Ravens and what needs fixing. I do know one thing though. Harbaugh hasn't been a winning coach since winning the SB and something needs to give. His loyalty to his coaches may be one of the reasons why we are not very good. Harbaugh isn't known for his football acumen with Xs and Os, but is a strong leader and motivator of people. Those are the top qualities needed in a HC and Harbs excels in them. However, he needs to hire the best football coaches available regardless of his knowledge of or closeness to them. The hiring of Trestman over Adam Gase comes to mind as telling of his decision making. Gase is taking the Dolphins into the playoffs and Trestman is fired.
We need a creative offensive mind and I'm all for hiring Rex Ryan as a defensive consultant much like Al Saunders was on offense a few years ago.

if you follow the Ravens closely, the hiring of Trestman over Gase made sense, the Ravens knew Gase was going to be a head coach so they wanted consistency but it did not work with Trestman. I agree with your point that we need a creative OC but who now? We have to bear in mind that we want someone who will stay for at least 3 to 4 yrs. We cannot hire a HC candidate to be our OC.

I agree on not hiring Gase, but Kyle Shanahan would of been a nice hire after leaving Cleveland in 2014, he is doing great in Atlanta.

Julio Jones.

Julio Jones didnt suit up for 3 games and had 2-3 other games were he didnt contribute more than 2 receptions for 30 yards and guess what?? ATL won each and every one of those games. So saying Julio is the ONLY reason for Shannahans success is not only stupid but irresponsible.

  1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

"...and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on" I believe that was the 2013 season, we finish 8-8 that year and did not make the playoff. Pitts did not make the playoffs that year neither. It was the Chargers who made it to the playoffs. KC VS SD, KC was already in the playoffs. SD was 8-7 a win take them to playoffs, a lose take Pitts to playoffs as about 5 teams would have 8-8 records and tie breaker go the squealers. Lucky Chargers made it.

True. Thanks for correcting my mistake. Still proves how poorly the Steelers have played over the years regardless of their 3 headed monster in Ben, Bell and Brown.

  25 minutes ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

So 1 trip to the playoffs in 4 years is something to be happy about? It's not about how close we were in that game, it's about how far apart we've been from the playoffs since winning the SB

Of course it isn't. But looking at the situation, does it warrant blowing the entire team to bits and starting over? The article argues that PIT missed 3 or 5 and didn't take the scorched earth approach to the situation. Not sure what you're advocating to fix this, but if it involves the dismissal of the HC, what was also pointed out in this article is that PIT is in because they have drafted top notch playmakers over the past few years and we have not. 

What top notch playmakers have the steelers drafted the past couple of years??? Shazier? Well we have Mosley who is way better and they both came from the same draft class. Pitt passed on Mosley to pick Shazier. Please enlighten me and tell me who the Steelers have drafted in the past 3 years that are better than our new guys? The difference between pitt and bmore is clear. Todd Hailey vs Trestman, Marty, Caldwell, Cameron....

The reason why the Steelers have not been more successful with arguably the #1 WR, #1 RB and #3 QB in the league is because of Mike Tomlin. If the Jets would have beat the lowly Bills in week 17 last year Pitt was out of the playoffs after the devastating blow we handed them in week 16. If Pees actually had some balls pitt would have missed the playoff again this year and that would have been 5 playoff misses in 6 years since their SB appearance. That is more than reason enough for him to get fired. After Pitts last SB appearance they have 1 playoff win and most of their appearances in the playoffs have not been earned, they were gifted just like our only playoff appearance since our last SB trip.

  23 minutes ago, potomacpitbulls said:

Let me first say I love Joe, but business is business.

The Ravens are projected to be $14,239,178 UNDER the cap and have to find a way to resign top priority guys like unrestricted free agents Brandon Williams, and Kyle Jusczyk. Plus, restricted free agents like Terrence West, Ricky Wagner, Ryan Jensen, Zachary Orr. Joe Flacco’s cap number for 2017 is $24.55M.

The Denver Broncos are projected to be $30,225,385 UNDER the cap for 2017 and have 38 players under contract. All of their main guys are locked up.
I wonder what type of trade could be made. Denver is in desperate need of a QB, and Joe knows their offense. Baltimore would get the cap relief it needs to retool the team.

no sense, you let Joe goes who is going to be your QB. Please don't tell me Mallet, cause I will refer you to his time with the Houston Texans.

What he meant to say is that Denver has double the cap space, a rookie qb that isnt making as much money as flacco but since Denver invested in great defensive players the Broncos have more wins than us with a way inferior QB. Not to mention they play in the best division in the NFL while the AFC North has become garbage this year and very likely moving forward. Im not calling for Mallet but I will assure you he will still do a lot better than Lynch or Siemien.

  23 minutes ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

First off, the FO gets rid of players. Perhaps Harbaugh will have his say, but I'm not sure who it is that we got rid of solely because they bumped heads with Harbaugh, who would have otherwise been a great service to the team. Please don't say Boldin, because there was no indication that he and Harbaugh didn't get along. That IMO was purely an Ozzie move. Who else are you thinking of? 

The enforcer of the secondary AKA the patriot killer. Does Bernard Pollard ring a bell? Does James Ihedigbo ring a bell to name a few?

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

  1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

  1 hour ago, ravenmaniac112351 said:

The 4th quarter was as bad as I have ever seen the Ravens play on defense in the last 10 years. You give up 240 yards on 21 plays and 3 TDs in one quarter. Who does that? That's over 12 yards pr play The Browns' defense would have put up more of a battle. Horrendous. Everyone wants to blame Flacco when we lose but we put up enough points against the Steelers today, against Oakland and against the Giants to have won all 3 of those games. Every time the defense faced a really good QB (Derek Carr, Brady, Big Ben, Dak Prescott) they got their lunch handed to them They played 8 games against teams with a winning record and went 2-6. I guess when you lose to the woeful Jets you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

You call Derek Carr and Dak Prescott really good QBs? One is a rookie and the other is average at best. No excuses for this garbage team.

Where have you been at all year. Carr completed 64% of his passes for 3900 yds, 28 TDs and only 6 interceptions. Before yesterday he was being given serious MVP consideration. So yes, I consider him a really good QB.

One decent campaign doesn't make him a "GREAT" QB. Are you gonna tell me he is Elite "like" Joe, just because he's had a decent year?

The 4th quarter was as bad as I have ever seen the Ravens play on defense in the last 10 years. You give up 240 yards on 21 plays and 3 TDs in one quarter. Who does that? That's over 12 yards pr play The Browns' defense would have put up more of a battle. Horrendous. Everyone wants to blame Flacco when we lose but we put up enough points against the Steelers today, against Oakland and against the Giants to have won all 3 of those games. Every time the defense faced a really good QB (Derek Carr, Brady, Big Ben, Dak Prescott) they got their lunch handed to them They played 8 games against teams with a winning record and went 2-6. I guess when you lose to the woeful Jets you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

You call Derek Carr and Dak Prescott really good QBs? One is a rookie and the other is average at best. No excuses for this garbage team.

32 minutes ago, RaRaRavens said:

the main thing i demand answer to - whose fault is it that flacco has been dumping the ball off every game this season, including the most important one this season agasint the steelers?!
OC cause of game planning?
Flacco cause of decision making?

on of them must be accountable. and whoever it is, they cost a SB caliber team talent wise even a playoff berth, therefore the season. bottom line

PATHETIC

SB caliber team.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Boy you made my year with that comment.
This is a Super Garbage caliber team. 2 road victories all year (Cleveland and Jacksonville) and you call this hot mess a super bowl caliber team???

19 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Juice should have fell down. 

If Juice falls down we very likely don't score at all. Can't blame him for scoring. I would say the Steelers were lucky that he made that acrobatic leap into the endzone. So many other plays, players and coaches we can blame. That was a heck of a play by Juice.

This team had an opportunity to potentially knock the Steelers out of the playoffs and most importantly get Tomlin fired. But they choked. Please dont allow Dean Pees on the plane.

"ALOT" of people like and want to take the Ravens but they have lost games they should have won and really shouldn't be in this situation at all! Should be 11-3! Joe is fired up now and I want him to you guess it "KEEP SLINGING THAT ROCK" and if he adds more pump fakes to his repertoire the Lombardi Trophy will be rite there! We are the only AFC team that can beat the pats! THEY DONT WANT US TO WIN

Dude come on... 496 yards of total offense allowed to the pats. I bet you the pats wished they played the Ravens 3 times in the playoffs. They will cream us over and over again. The scoreboard didnt paint an accurate picture of what really happened in that game. We got manhandled in every phase of the game. Byrne said the team was fired up for the showdown in NE, yeah they sure showed us. Now Byrne is saying the team is fired up for the Steelers on Xmas. Looks like Big Ben is hanging 6TDs on us AGAIN!

  On 12/22/2016 at 10:19 AM, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

  On 12/21/2016 at 1:04 PM, ryananth said:

Weddle wouldn't be able to go to the Pro Bowl anyway since he'll be playing in the Super Bowl

When did the Ravens cut Weddle? Cuz that is the only way he is advancing to the playoffs.

steelers troll...

What steeler troll will have a profile pic of the 2 best players ever to play the game? Unfortunately since they left (Ray and Ed) this team sucks. They play soft, uninspired, lethargic, anemic, just plain boring and painful to watch. You can wear your purple shades, I am comfortable being a realist and understanding this team is garbage and has absolutely no business in the playoffs. If we are lucky enough to make the playoffs, what team can we beat in the playoffs?? You remember when Harbaugh asked: "Who has it better than us?" Well the answer to both questions is the same. "NOBODY"

  1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

If we don't show a fierce pass rush with well disguised blitzes I doubt we will win this game. Not having Jimmy to shadow Antonio Brown makes me nervous. Whatever happens I hope we don't get manhandled and blown out like the pats game. The scoreboard in the pats game didn't paint the true story of how poorly we played and how badly we got beat. If we play like we did the past 2 games Ben will have 6Tds, 300+ yds and 0 picks against us.

Jimmy wouldn't be shadowing Brown even if he was playing. They move Brown all over the formation, and Jimmy isn't coming down in the slot to cover him.

Jimmy's impact will be felt far worse next week when/if AJ Green returns. We often double and triple team Brown anyway, which isn't as easy to do with Green.

We shall see Jacket. The sad truth is that if we dont come out victorious this Sunday, Jimmy can completely blanket AJ next week and Flacco can hang 99 points on the Bengals and it wont mean SQUAT! We need to win now, next week is a topic for next week. That reminds me, Merry Xmas Harbaugh thanks for your ineptitude!

  2 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

  2 hours ago, cobrajet said:

I was hoping to hear that Jimmy was a least a limited participant. I guess that was just wishful thinking on my part. I assume now that Sunday is probably out of the question.

I agree to, but I have a feeling Jimmy is out for the regular season.  No, I don't have any inside information on this...just a gut feeling.  They said it was a "significant ankle injury"  Opinions seem to guess that it was a high ankle sprain.  When Lewis was diagnosed with high ankle sprain, they said it was a 6 week injury.  First round of playoffs (if we make it) is right at 4 weeks.  I realistically think this is the earliest possible time we could see Jimmy play. 

AGAIN-I repeat--This is MY GUT FEELING, not a medical opinion because I have no clue the severity of the injury or even exactly what the injury is.

I agree with you 100%. I think week 1 of the playoffs is the earliest we see him. Week 2 probably makes more sense. If we take care of business and get a home playoff game, maybe we'll play a team like KC where JImmy's absent wouldn't be a complete disaster week 1 of the dance

More like week 1 of the 2017 season is the earliest you will see Jimmy on the field. He will be out for 4-6 weeks and the Ravens life support runs dry this Xmas Sunday. And the only person responsible for this mess is John Harbaugh with his piss poor game management and overly aggressive moronic coaching style with such an inept group of players.

If we don't show a fierce pass rush with well disguised blitzes I doubt we will win this game. Not having Jimmy to shadow Antonio Brown makes me nervous. Whatever happens I hope we don't get manhandled and blown out like the pats game. The scoreboard in the pats game didn't paint the true story of how poorly we played and how badly we got beat. If we play like we did the past 2 games Ben will have 6Tds, 300+ yds and 0 picks against us.

Weddle wouldn't be able to go to the Pro Bowl anyway since he'll be playing in the Super Bowl

When did the Ravens cut Weddle? Cuz that is the only way he is advancing to the playoffs.

"“Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg seems to have designs on emulating Jim Bob Cooter's success with a short-passing game that functions as a surrogate for the run, but Flacco simply misses too many throws.”"

I'm confused. Flacco's got the third highest completion percentage in the league (over 70%) since we had our bye week (when the team might have actually got their first chance to get familiar with Marty as OC). He hasn't been missing too many throws. Completing over 70%, and a lot of the ones there weren't bounced off the hands of the receivers.

Very hard to botch a 2yd checkdown consistently. Stats can be misleading.

Here's a little anecdote:
In my high school alumni golf tournament a couple years ago there was a prize for whoever hit the straightest drive on a given hole. Someone piped a drive 275yds down the center of the fairway that landed 1 yard away from the line marking the straightest drive. Later that day the school principal topped his drive and the ball rolled 40-50yds and landed right on the line. Who won the straightest drive contest? the piped 275yd drive or the 50yd squiggly runner that ended on the line?

Moral of the story, stats and accolades can be misleading. Just because Joe is completing 70% of his passes, he sure aint making nothing out of it. So in the end pretty useless stat line.

Make the last home game build momentum for the run at that Lombardi Trophy! Everybody needs to be there! That was a good game last night "Keep your head up"!

Good game last night? Are you serious? I understand how some fans are very pessimistic but you are delusional my friend. There was nothing in last nights game that inspires confidence. The supposed #1 defense allowed 496Yds and our offense is abysmal to watch.

The Def ranking is skewed by many factors including playing a garbage schedule at the beginning of the year (Bills and Jags), Browns x2, NYJ, NYG, Pitt with Ben 10 days removed from surgery, Bengals without AJ...

Ever since week 2 when the Browns hung 20Pts on us in 7mins I knew this team was garbage. At least we weren't the ones that gave Cleveland their only win (if they ever get it).

Keep believing what you want to believe but its been blatantly clear since the preseason that this team was never destined to finish over .500. The way things are going the Ravens wont make the playoffs for another 2-3 years.