TheConquerorWorm

  7 hours ago, bluehen said:

Unless the team starts playing better, people will loose interest and just watch on TV.

And run the risk of TV blackouts? Hope we never see that day in Baltimore, but if Steve insists on keeping the status quo going and the team continues to underperform under these coaches, then we may indeed see that day.

Teams make so much more money from TV deals than fans (3 times at least) so no way there will be black-outs. Just look at the Jaguars who basically have tarps covering their entire upper deck so the stadium is "sold out" even though there's only 65,000 fans in a 85,000 seat stadium.

  13 hours ago, The Greek said:

  22 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How about a good one? I mean...sometimes these questions answer themselves.

Couple of points here. First off, the Ravens don't really want to tip their hand before the draft because it "might" give other teams an idea of what type of lineman they'd pick in the draft and where they might be picking him.

First thing's first though. The Ravens have to figure out what type of team they are. This line proved time and time again with the running backs we have that we are not a stretch to the outside zone running team. This team ran the ball much better when Dixon and West were running North and South with Ducasse (known for always being a road grader and not much of a pass protector) in at RG.

We don't have that shifty/speedy scat back like Forsett anymore. I don't think the Ravens will draft a guy like that in the first round. I think they're looking for the next Jamal Lewis. A guy fast enough, but one that can pound the rock and is hard to bring down. If this is the case, we need some big uglies up front.

I know Yanda wants to go back to RG next season, but I think for the team he should move to LG. RG should either be Alex Lewis (or Lewis at RT if, and I think it is a strong possibility, Wagner walks via FA). I think it is much easier to find a plug and play road grader at RG than it is to find another good LG. Heck, we could put Ducasse back there again and see if some rookie/youngster can beat him for that spot.

I know many people probably don't know this guy or think much of him, but Matt Skura is a guy I think that could make some noise at C. Zuttah played through a lot of injuries last season and if healthy he's decent, but the Ravens better be looking for his replacement like...right now.

skura would need to put on some weight. he is listed at 294. birk was 315 and travis frederick from dallas is 318. zuttah is 305 but it shows against good nose tackles when he gets pushed back. zuttah is serviceable but i agree that we need to find his replacement soon

I'd be great if we could get Ethan Pocic out of LSU. He's 6'7", 315 lbs, and could play guard his rookie year then transition to center. Not sure where he's going to be drafted, but if we want to build a big, physical, offensive line, he'd be a great start.

He's a beast for sure and probably the 1st C off the board. He's probably a 2nd Round pick maybe to Carolina but I doubt he falls past Cleveland's first pick in Round 3.

The name no one is talking about to the Ravens is Cam Robinson. He could be there at 16 and could slide into the RT or LG spot (If Lewis moves to RT). He a big nasty mauler and road grader. And Ozzie loves him some Bama boys. He's not a LT so he could easily fall in the 1st Round.

I also like Tyler Orlosky from WV. Needs to pack on some muscle but has that nastiness you want. Could be available 3rd Round Comp.

heard people talk on here that DES KING is slow,ok,so JIMMY SMITH runs a 4.42 and DES KING runs a 4.43

Funny how you take the fastest time for King but not for Jimmy. King runs consistently 4.5-4.6 (His slowest time was 4.63). Jimmy's fastest time was 4.32 (his slowest was 4.53). Jimmy actually ran a 4.49 at the combine, we'll see what King runs.

But 40 times are not a good measure for CB & cover-ability - look at the 20 yard shuttle & 3 cone drills. Marcus Peters had a 7.03 3-cone and a 4.08 20 yard shuttle (really good numbers). Jimmy Smith had a 6.93 3-cone and a 4.06 20 yard shuttle. These are the numbers the Ravens use more so than 40 times. Case in point - Tavon was the fastest CB in 20 yard shuttle (12th in 3 cone) last year. Canady & Chris Moore also were near the top.

King would make a great coverage Safety which is why I said he would be a good fit for the Ravens. He might make a decent CB in the right system but I wouldn't put him on an island and I sure wouldn't trade back up into the 1st Round to draft him....but I'm also not the All-Universe GM/Scout/HC like SD. Dance for me!

  51 minutes ago, The Beak said:

  4 hours ago, outkast1 said:

Jabrill Peppers at safety, enough said !

Not a good fit for the Ravens, he is to slow to cover WRs and to small for a ILB , not great value for 1st rd pick , Ravens could and should do a lot better with the 1st rounder

Please do your research before making comments. A simple google search puts Peppers at 6.1 207lbs and his 40 time is around 4.34.Ed Reed 5.11 207lbs and ran his 40 time at 4.57. Ray Lewis 6.1 at 240lbs.and his 40 time was 4.37. A quote from Ray Lewis before he retired,"The game is changing," Lewis said. "The game ain't no more 250, 260-pound fullback and you don't have offenses running the ball 25, 30, 40-plus times. That was my thought process was coming into this year. Playing lighter is much smarter for me."

Exactly. Peppers is faster & stronger than both Weddle & Webb. Nobody would ask him to cover Antonio Brown (just like we don't ask Weddle to). But next year, we face Tyler Eifert x 2, Zach Miller, Eric Ebron, Delanie Walker, Jared Cook, Kyle Rudolph, etc. Not to mention that if we make the play-offs we'll probably see Gronk, Kelce, etc. Peppers could easily match-up with all of those guys in a big nickel package. He's really good at stopping the run, so our defense doesn't suffer against the run when going to a nickel package (as most defenses do). You could even line him up next to Mosley (taking Orr's spot) like the Cardinals do with Deone Bucannon (6'1" 211lbs 4.49 40 - 203 tackles in last 2 years).

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The problem is finding good pass rushers and DBs to invest in. The really good one's practically never hit the FA market. You've got to draft them yourself and resign them when they are good.

The teams that go out and try to spend top dollar on Corners or DBs who hit the open market typically end up disappointed in the end.

Yea thats a vallid point.  And really its not only about DBs and Pass Rushers, I just think that if we sign BWill to a huge contract now its going to be difficult to resign anyone of the guys leaving next year or the year after that.  And I am sure the FO takes all of that into consideration.  This may be a flawed way of looking at the situation but I just feel like BWills sphere of influence is just so limited.  Not only to the middle of the field but also only on running plays.  And i know there are other factors at play there.  By taking on the double teams he gives the guys next to him more favorable match ups.  And he keeps the ILBs clean which allows them to flow to the ball faster.  I just think with Pierce on the team it would be wise to spend the money on some of the guys that are going to hit FA next year.  And I am not saying that Pierce is going to play as good as BWills next year.  I just don't think that the gap separating BWilll from Pierce is large enough to negativily impact the team on a consistent basis.  In other words it is negligible.  I don't think we will lose any games next year because Pierce is playing instead of BWill.  But what do I know?  There are some interesting options at cb this year that could come at a reasonable price.  But of course the reason they would come at a reasonable price is because they sucked last year. 

I hear ya but I disagree that the difference is negligible. Pierce was really good - playing behind (or) next to BWill but what happens when he's the main man? Pippen was a great player playing with Jordan - not so much when by himself. But the bigger issue is this - you're looking at just replacing one player for one player but this is a team and the d-line is a unit. How big of a difference is there between BWill + Pierce vs Pierce + ?? How big of a difference is there between Pierce and the next guy? What happens if Pierce get hurts? We saw what happened with the lack of depth behind Jimmy.

You basically have Pierce at the vet minimum for the next 3 years. If you pay BWill $10 million then you have both guys for a combined $11 million. I'd pay $11 million for TWO really good DT . You don't have to worry about that position again for 3 years even if 1 guy gets hurt.

Plus, you don't really have any of your FA that you need to spend money on next year (Urschel & Jernigan really) and the Ravens will finally have some good cap space even if they re-sign BWill & Wagner.

Torrey Smith is a team guy, Mike Wallace is a ME guy. I would make that switch in a heartbeat - give me the guy that fights til the end, not the guy that disappears at the end.

  5 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Stanley & Lewis are beasts on the left side. Zuttah played well when Lewis & Yanda played next to him. When Yanda had to move out of position & Vlad took over RG, Zuttah looked like an average C at best. He's serviceable if playing next to Lewis & Yanda. Yanda - RG, nuff said. If they re-sign Wagner this O-line is very good - 4-0 record when they all played together last year. Urshel is a solid "utility" back-up that can play the G & C positions.
Need a road grader for the right side at Tackle & back-up to Yanda. A young C that can learn from Zuttah and take over the following year (no way I want a rookie C starting next year)

zuttahs got to go gets pushed back in joes face to often for my liking

A Center needs help especially going against a 3-4 defense with a NT. He got almost none with Vlad at RG. Having Yanda/Lewis back to help block that NT helps immensely. Which btw, makes BWill so valuable - even though he doesn't get the sacks, he ties up 2 offensive linemen and still controls the A gaps.

  5 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Would be a good fit for us. He's a zone coverage guy, rather than man coverage, and we play a ton of zone coverage. Smith-Tavon-King-Weddle-Webb nickle package looks pretty good.

yes we play a lot of zone coverage that's why were not in the Playoffs again this year because we get torched we should mix our coverage some zone and more man with safety over top guys like brady pick zone D apart that's why the steelers are home now

Got to have CBs that can cover if you're going to play man. You want Shareece Wright man on man with Antonio Brown or Julian Edelman? No thanks.

Brady picks every team apart.....

we need to start bringing in free agent QB'S instead of all thse hasbeen recievers,the last time we did it was AIR MCNAIR and it worked out pretty good!

Except when he CHOKED in the play-offs. Ravens Defense holds Peyton Manning to ZERO touchdowns, picks him off twice and McNair can't score a single point.

Stanley & Lewis are beasts on the left side. Zuttah played well when Lewis & Yanda played next to him. When Yanda had to move out of position & Vlad took over RG, Zuttah looked like an average C at best. He's serviceable if playing next to Lewis & Yanda. Yanda - RG, nuff said. If they re-sign Wagner this O-line is very good - 4-0 record when they all played together last year. Urshel is a solid "utility" back-up that can play the G & C positions.
Need a road grader for the right side at Tackle & back-up to Yanda. A young C that can learn from Zuttah and take over the following year (no way I want a rookie C starting next year)

Would be a good fit for us. He's a zone coverage guy, rather than man coverage, and we play a ton of zone coverage. Smith-Tavon-King-Weddle-Webb nickle package looks pretty good. And our resident guru Mr. All-Universe GM/Scout/HC says he's Darrell Revis and we should take him the 1st Round.....lol

Safeties usual fall in the 1st Round. I know mocks have Adams & Hooker going before we pick but there's a chance that one of them could be there when we pick. Wouldn't mind Peppers either - a big hitting safety that can cover the Eiferts/Gronks of the NFL and still be a huge factor in the run game especially in the Big Nickel Package. Add in one of those top shelf CB in Round 2 and the secondary makes significant improvement. Marcus Williams of Utah is another really good safety we could target in Round 2-3.

  4 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Let's hope Oz doesn't offend Brown with a lowball offer like he did with KO- that apparently pee'd off KO to the point where he didnt want to talk with us- he leaves and goes to the pro bowl- go figure.. every since average joe flacco took half our cap space,, Oz and DaCosta can't figure out how to keep a winning team- that's why we alwasy get these old receivers, hand me down corners, etc.. because we've also drafted so badly and don't have a foundation of younger players who can contribute- i feel badly for Harbs in a way, but he also has input into who he wants on the team as well- it's sad but looking true that we can't win anymore because of the leadership void of R Lewis and E Reed and even Pollard and Haloti- we're just a bunch of sofites now without any kind of defensive indentity- Flacco is nothing without these other leaders who led the team

There are now three camps of fans. The pragmatic ones, the sky is falling ones and a group that is somewhere in the middle because they understand the situation, but question some moves made by the FO and Harbs. 

First off, KO was being offered the most money in the league to play guard at $8.5 million a year, but I still think it was unclear whether that was to play LT or LG. I think it was LG, but that isn't important. KO got paid top 3 LT money. I think Ozzie could have tried to give a rebuttal offer of 10 a year, but KO seen that green and went running. 

We have been so pampered over the past decade and a Half because Ozzie had consistently either hit home runs on early picks that became legends like Lewis, JO, Reed, Suggs, Ngata, McAllister, RR, etc. But now we have had a few rough drafts where talent hasn't stuck and the fans now act as if we were the Browns. Be patient. One more very good draft like 16' and active FA period could easily make us a +10 win team. 

Flacco's development is discouraging and I don't think he is worth his contract, but the going rate for any half way competent QB is roughly $20 million a year and that was what Flacco got. Ozzie just likes kicking the can down the road though where he makes the deals cheap up front then back loads the deal where he expects restructures/cuts, but all that does is it gives us a boat load of dead cap space. That is why I pray he keeps Mosley's contract and others at consistent hits instead of ending up in cap hell.

Exactly

a question for harbaugh to ask himself is does he have the right coaches to develop these young pass rushers currently on the roster

I agree. But I think now that Wink is coaching the entire LB unit (not just the ILB as before) we got a good chance. Just look at what he did with Judon in his first year. We need that same type of coach for our WRs and DBs - I don't think Engram & Hewitt have what it takes. Look at what Frazier did with Tavon - something Hewitt hasn't done in his 5 years here.

Heres a bunch of 1st round hits last 4 years on pass rushers, interior and outside since supposedly too many have been busts.

Bosa
Clowney
Mack
Donald
L.Williams
S.Ray
D.Ford
F.Cox
W.Mercilus
N.Perry
S.Richardson
C.Jones

All 1st round picks almost everyone made a pro bowl. Thats not busting.
So if you want gamechanging outside especially rusher likely take them in rnd 1

Wow, 12 guys in the last 5 drafts? And 8 of them play d-line. That leaves Mack, Ray, Ford & Perry as outside pass rushers. Besides Mack, none of them did anything their first years (just like KC & Kaufusi) which according to your post makes them a bust....

23 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

ConquerorWorm, whats your deal? Do you try to bother people?
Every time you respond to me, its like your trying to be Nastrdamas or something.

Why dont Ozzie just come to you for who to pick, and how the draft will go down, who will be the busts etc.

Jeez let it be.

What's your deal? Every post - this guys a bust, that guys a bust, we should have kept Upshaw (cause 14 tackles and 0.5 sack in a year is so hard to replace), blah, blah, blah....

Seriously man, you get on here an label Kaufusi a bust. He had a player fall on his ankle and break it - how is that a bust?

I don't get on here and pretend I know better than Oz & Company on who to draft because the draft is a crap shoot anyway. But you seem to know exactly what they should do all the time - "I'll answer it for DeCosta"...smh

Mike Wallace, Breshad Perriman and Chris Moore. All three of those targets can stretch the field? Just when did that happen in 2016? Which game?

We have to face the fact that Ozzie can't pick Wr's. Bolden was great, Smith OK, but a trade/free agent.
Go with the TE from Ala., Howard and cut two of the others, even Pitta. He's due for another break down.

Get O Linemen, 2 CB's, LB and a RB. If the line can hold for another 2-3 seconds maybe "old 3 and out Flacco" could actually find a receiver. Then a good RB can help control the clock. Everyone knows how poor the DB's are.

I think it has to do more with not having a good WR coach to develop WRs than Ozzie picking them. There's a reason why the Squealers and Pats always develop good WRs - look at the resume of their WR coaches.....Antonio Brown was not very good his 1st two years in the league and it took Edelman 4 years to develop.

  20 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Leonard Floyd

By what measure has Floyd been a bust?

That's my point - it's too early to label someone a bust, But for a Top 10 pick to have 23 tackles and 7 sacks and only play 49% of the time is not exactly setting the world on fire. Z'Darious Smith had 20 tackles and 5.5 sacks his rookie year. Pernell McPhee had 16 tackles and 6 sacks his rookie year.

2 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

My only problem with a Howard pick would be we have like 5 TEs. Even if we released 1 or 2, still have 3. Pitta,Watson,Boyle,Gillmore,Waller.

Much more prefer the Pass rusher, ilbr at 16. Or Cook rb
I have seen mocks that have Ravens landing Reuben Foster ilbr 16, A beast replacement for Orr. Imagine 2 best ilbrs in Bmore.
Ive seen Cook at 16, a gamechanging rb. I welcome that.
Ive also seen Nick Barnett a Elite Edge Rusher. Id be cool with any of those.

A slew of others too like CB,Pass rushers but especially those

I agree with you on how we should spend our 1st Round pick - Cook, Foster, Davis, Pass Rusher, CB - basically the BPA. 2nd Round has to be a CB, if not taken in the 1st.

But all of our TEs have serious question marks. Watson is old and coming off a major injury (might be a salary cap casualty). Gillmore is coming off back surgery and torn hammy - seems like he has more surgeries than catches....lol. Waller has bricks for hands. Boyle is more of blocking TE. That leaves Pitta & Mad Maxx. Pitta showed his good hands but he's clearly lost a step and the elusiveness he once had he's more Dallas Clark than Tyler Eifert.

We need playmakers on both sides of the ball, period. We have some good talent and potential in Perriman & Dixon but that's about it. Even on defense, our best guys are Suggs (old), Smith (injury prone), Weddle & Mosley. No game changers. We have a solid and deep roster but no Bell, Brown, Julio, AJ Green, Gronk, Zeke types. A solid, deep roster gets you to 8-8, playmakers take you to the play-offs.

I'll answer it for DeCosta.. No they dont have replacements for Sizzle or Dum.
Correa looks like a bust, Koufusi too, Judon is a hit in the 5th round but is he anything more then a Mcphee or Kruger? Which is very nice player, a 10 sack guy, but eventually let go by Ravens.
If you want a replacement.. I believe they said it before, you got a take 1 likely in the 1st round.

So Ravens will have options, Barnett,Mckinley,Harris etc pick 1

There's no guarantee in the 1st Round either - Fowler, Bud Dupree, Shaq Thompson, Shaq Lawson, Leonard Floyd, Jarvis Jones, Dee Ford, etc have all been "busts" despite taken in the 1st Round. Outside of Khalil Mack and Vic Beasley (both selected in the Top 10) - every pass rusher drafted in the 1st Round in the last 4 years has been a bust. And in reality, besides those 2, EVERY pass rusher drafted in all rounds of the last 4 years has been a bust (so far).....Labeling a player a bust after 1 or 2 years is premature as I think a couple of those names above can have a decent NFL career - it takes time to develop to be a productive player in the NFL. Part of the reason it's so hard to find pass rushers is because almost all of them played their entire college career going against college Tackles that aren't good enough to be back-ups in the NFL. Only 1 Tackle from the SEC will get drafted in the 1st 3 rounds this year (Cam) and he projects more of a Guard at the NFL level.

I don't think we need to add a lot of play makers to this team on the Offensive side of the Ball. Just Brandon Marshall and a crazy fast rb in rounds 3-5 maybe. In addition to that we have Perriman, Wallace, Dixon, Waller, and Moore. What we need is competent coaching to put these guys in situations to utilize their strengths. It boggles my mind to think about how incompetent the Ravens are at coaching offense. We do need play makers on the defensive side of the ball though! AT CB,OLB, and FS

Lol...Waller has brick for hands, Wallace is a one trick pony when he's not pouting (or taking himself out of the game), Perriman & Moore still have a lot to learn. They're not exactly Bell/Brown, AJ Green/Eifert, Julio/Freeman and aren't keeping DCs up at night.

Marshall is still under contract so banking on him getting cut to fix your offense is not very smart. Just think though, if the Ravens hired someone with your knowledge & expertise, they wouldn't need incompetent people like Harbaugh, Ozzie, etc.

Someone that can get open against single man coverage, can actually run routes other than go routes and can actually catch the ball when thrown to him.

If Brandon Williams does not sign here, I could see him signing with the Texans. Vince Wilfork is possibly retiring. The Texans have no big name unrestricted free agents to sign, and have 18 million in cap, plus another 5 from Wilfork. To me Baltimore and Houston are the logical choices.

Speaking of money, it’s nice to see a Keenan Reynolds investing his NFL/Navy money wisely buying 1,000 shoes.

Cleveland has $97 million in cap space and have been looking for a NT since Phil Taylor left. The 49ers also covet a NT and have $80 million in cap space. I'd throw the Skins in there as well - their Run D kept them out of the play-offs and have no interior d-linemen worth mentioning. They have $60 million in cap space.

Funny all those commentating on "pats" and "respect". To be respected you have to first have and display honor. Cheating is not honorable and never will be. There is no debate to be had. They should have asked is Brady honorable? I think I can guess why they did not ask.

But in case a pats fan comes across this, consider this. Brady is supposedly one of the best to play qb ever so people say, yet the teams he was a part of have been in more cheating scandals than any other team i can remember. Most of all of these scandals all had to do with the offense having some edge, as if helping brady out.

I will never have respect for cheaters, not limited to brady/pats, especially when they try to hide the fact after being caught. Had he actually just been up front about it, i would be willing to look past it, people make mistakes. There is however no free pass, for anyone who blatantly and deliberately goes about undermining the integrity of the game and of themselves.

Agree 100%.

The scandals - Spygate, Deflategate, opponents headsets not working, fire alarms at hotel, etc.

The rule changes - Tuck Rule, Brady rule, Defenseless WR rule, Goal Post rule, reporting eligible rule, etc

The whining after plays, the coward kick to Ed Reed, etc

Not too mention Brady leaving his pregnant girlfriend for a supermodel.....

Playmakers... ok. There will be playmakers every round.
Mike Williams,Dalvin Cook, Davis West Mich WR, Howard TE all possibly 16th picks
Rnd 2- Dede Westbrook, Amarah Darboh, Smith Schuster WRs

But are they going offense or defense?

Williams is gone in the Top 10. I think Fournette goes to the Panthers and Cook goes to the Colts or the Eagles right before us. That basically leaves Davis, Howard or John Ross for us in the 1st Round. I don't know if you pass up a top notch CB or Pass Rusher for either (Davis maybe but not Howard). I like Ross but we don't need another speed guy. I think this is the perfect draft to trade back in the 1st Round and still get a shutdown corner. Trading back into the 20s could get us another 3rd Round pick that could net us CB Tre'Davious or RT Taylor Morton.

JuJu will be gone at the top of Round 2 (49ers or Bears). No way Stevie B drafts Dede after 2 domestic violence arrests.

Darboh is more a 3rd or 4th Round guy. I think the Ravens wait until those rounds on a WR like Darboh, Kupp, Zay or Courtland Sutton. Personally, I would love to see the Ravens get Zay or Sutton - that's the type of WR we need.