TheConquerorWorm

  21 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

The Ravens always make good picks and they will do it again! Ozzie and Co. has the same eye for talent like Bellichick but the only difference is we have Flacco and Bellichick has Brady to make every move he makes look like a genius! No one heard of Julian Edelman now look at him now they got that kid Hogan if the Ravens made moves like that yall would try and run Ozzie and Harbs out of Bmore! In Ozzie and Co. "I TRUST"

Where you been the last 4-5 years? Ozzie has made arguably one good pick in the first two rounds since 2011. CJ Mosley

Busts: Matt Elam, Courtney Upshaw, Arthur Brown
TBD: Perriman, Jernigan, Correa, Stanley

Some of you guys have to stop drinking that purple Kool aid and accept ozzies recent failures which have let this franchise down.

Love how guys edit the facts to try and make a point.

I guess you don't think KO is good? And I guess Brandon Williams, Ricky Wagner, Juice & Tavon doesn't fit your "Ozzie can't draft" agenda because they were drafted past the 2nd Round? Justin Tucker & Zach Orr - why would Ozzie ever bring these guys in when nobody else did - he must know that they suck, right?

Just because he drafts a few of busts LIKE EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE doesn't mean he is a failure. Belichick has the worst draft record in the NFL the past few years.... The draft is a crap shoot with most players becoming BUSTS. And you can't judge a draft after 1-2 years. Julian Edelman sucked so bad for his first 4 years that the only team that would sign him in free agency was the Pats on a 1 year vet minimum deal.

  3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

  3 hours ago, whobilly said:

I've got another great idea. How about we draft somebody with our #2 and #3 picks who can actually play.

The KC pick  til this day still puzzles me because there was so many other more talented players than him left, but besides that, Bronson had an unforseeable injury.

In 15' we took the best TE in the draft and a run stuffing DT who had a top 50 grade on him. 

In 14' we took Jernigan who was a beast at FSU and Gilmore who was over drafted, but outside of that, most recent picks weren't initially as terrible as many people make them up to be. 

In 13' Art Brown looked like a legit talent and just never panned out and Williams has been arguably the best run stuffing NT in the league. 

Dude c'mon don't be a homer... Our draft success in recent years has been poor at best and our ability to retain players has been even worse. Max Williams and Carl Davis has been bums, Correa and Kaufasi were not smart picks regardless of bronson's injury. The entire 2015 draft class will be off the team before long, heck only 3 players are on our roster combined from the 2009-2012 drafts and depending on how free agency pans out we may only have 1-2 left from the 2013 draft. This isn't a new issue, our draft success has gone down the toilet

That's every team in the league.

And you only get 4 years from most of your draft picks - after that, their agents tell them to test the waters because there's always a few teams with a boatload of cap space (Cleveland has $100 million in cap space this year) willing to throw obscene money at free agents. Very few players re-sign with their original team - Josh Norman, Bruce Irvin, Lamar Miller, KO, Maclin, etc. You have to way overpay them like Von Miller, franchise them or they walk. So, very few teams have players left from the 2009-2012 drafts. And most will lose most of their players from the 2013 draft.

The average rate of success for all teams in the past 5 years is 1 starter per draft.

  4 hours ago, billiejean said:

  9 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I also think we need to break up the best friend trio of Flacco, Pitta, and Juice- they all hang out like best buddies, and frankly, I feel uncomfortable with them being so close- that's why our offense isn't that good. Flacco helped his personal stylist, Pittta bread, get a $3M bonus last year (one reason our cap is so low too) because he threw all these short passes/ dinks to Pitta all the time because they are bffs.. I don't know what Oz was thinking bringing Watson here - while a nice man, he's also an old man. At this point, we need to let Watson and Pitta walk because they are too expensive- and we should also let Juice walk because he's overated. bottom line, this team isn't very good- we can't even keep average players like Pitta, Watson and Juice because of poor cap manahgement and years of terrible drafts- we have no base/ foundation of young players, and we sign old players on the cheap (Ozzies' favorite strategy), and now look what we have to deal with. Oz and DaCosta aren't good GMs when they have to devote a lot of money to a QB- it's much harder to keeep a good team together when unelite Flacco takes up 22M or whatever it is...

Your are uncomfortable with Flacco being friends with guys on the offensive side of the ball ? I hope you are joking here. He isn't throwing dinks and dunks to Pitta because they are BFFs. He is throwing them because the WRs down the field are covered or at least he has the perception that they are covered. Do you want him to force it into coverage. If Crockett Gilmore or Maxx or whoever were out there instead of Pitta he would be throwing to them. Because of their close relationship they are more in sync with each other. You need to invert your statement. Instead of wanting Joe and Pitta to end their friendship, you should be hoping that he develops similar relationships with his other receivers on the team. Being angry because Pitta gained 720 yards last year is absurd. Cmon man.

Because they are bffs, Pitta got his $3M bonus/ salary back, and a lot of it had to do with these 5-8 yard dinks to pitta bread. How many times do you remember when Flacco hit pitta bread with a 20 yard pass? Exactly...

Flacco went to Pitta so much because he's the only one he could trust to actually catch the ball. Wallace, Aiken, Waller, Perriman, all - drop after drop after drop. Pitta, SSS & Juice were the only ones with good hands.

  2 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

  4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

im of the belief that juice is a very key player for us. look at how many drive-starting catches hes made, how many crucial 3rd downs he has converted, he is as smart a player as youll ever find, he makes himself available, he blocks well picking up blitzes in the pocket, he blocks well as a lead blocker, he blocks well as an inline TE, he chips well, times his dump-route well, and is an extremely high character and effort player. 

i would be really upset to see him walk, more than wagner or williams honestly, and i also hope he gets used more frequently. he would be a household name with another 2-3 targets/designed dumpoffs per game. 

he also is a player that should almost never leave the field, aside from 12 formations. he should be on the field on all passing downs that arent coming out of the 12 and 5wr sets, but frankly i think a 4wr set with juice in the backfield would serve better just because hes such a smart and reliable player, whether you need him as a safety valve or as a blocker. 

ill bet you this, if juice was in the backfield for the falcons in the super bowl, that rusher isnt going unblocked up the middle because juice picks those up and executes. 

serioiusly, pay da man, use da man.

Juice couldn't block even if he was driving behind a semi truck- have you not seen games where he continues to get man- handled like a my little pony doll

Yeah it was pretty sweet when he fell down on the goal line for no reason instead of blocking when we went for it on 4th and 1 with west early in the year. It was a close game we lost, I think Washington. He's so overated it's ridiculous.

It was the Giants game.

And then there was the Safety on Dixon in the Pats game. A lead fullback should never get stood up (behind the line of scrimmage) on a dive play from his own endzone. And even worse, it was his man that made the tackle.

I could see re-signing Juice for his pass catching abilities especially if you let go some of the overpriced TE. He's a nice gadget player to have in there that does have some decent hands.

  1 hour ago, Chuckx999 said:

We would like to have kept a lot of people the past 5 years. CAP SPACE is the name of the game and we have nothing left after paying "old 3 and out Flacco" the mother load. So we will just have to be happy with 8 and 8 seasons until Flacco and about 3 other OLD GUYS are gone. Maybe 2020 could be a playoff year.

What were the other options we had at QB when the confetti was dropping in New Orleans? Eventually most teams will have to BUCK UP for their QB. The Raiders are next. Pay Carr and not resign other key players along with not being able to sign free agents due to cap space. That's life in the NFL today.

Exactly. The Falcons paid their choke artist QB $100 million and he's coming up on Free Agency. Cousins is going to get $25 million per. And Stafford is talking that he wants his contract to start at $150 million....Add in Carr, Winston, Mariota in the next 2-3 years and Flacco's contract is going to seem cheap....

  6 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  8 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

keep Williams

only if the price is right I mean what games did some of you guys watch for Christ sake this guy is good But NOT Great and should make nowhere close to 10 mill a year and with we overpay him we will be set back again I would rather have a top CB or Receiver

I watched every game, no one played as well as Willams. Sure The Ravens young guys did a good job, however big guys cannot play all the downs no matter who they are. So your point is you would rather give up first downs, control of the ball and possibly multiple scores.

No one is arguing getting a CB, It can be done but lets stay in contention.

Williams shut down run games, he has the capability of playing some pass however its not his best suit. The Ravens have no veteran DL if Williams goes. I believe he is an anchor of the team. He is a leader on and off the field.

I would give up Zuttah and Dumervil for Williams any day of the week.
I would risk a Rookie Center or developing a replacement, than a weakened DL. The LB crew will be fine without Doom.

As far as a WR, the Ravens can afford one with the loss of SSr.

I argue that the Ravens have the space to keep Williams. If you are saying you don't want him, that is just something that we disagree on.

I agree 100%. And getting a "top CB or WR" means $12 million+. Garcon wants $9 million & Brandon Marshall (if cut) wants $12 million. That's a lot of cash to pay for an old WR. CB Stephon Gilmore wants $14 million.

Cutting Dumervil, Shareece Wright & Kyle Arrington gets you the money to sign Williams ($10 million+). You're going to replace Wright with a CB in the draft anyway. Same with Arrington.

Cutting Watson & Kendrick Lewis gets you most of the money to resign Wagner. All 5 of those guys have in house replacements. And more importantly, your entire O-line stays intact (Ravens were 4-0 last year when they all started together).

If you didn't cut anyone else, you'd still have about $9 million to go out and get a veteran WR/CB/ILB. Add in at least 1 maybe 2 top CB in the draft and this defense looks infinitely better - BWill, Pierce, Suggs, Judon, Mosley, Peanut, Weddle, Webb, Jimmy, Tavon, Draft CB, Draft CB, Draft S. Still have Kaufusi, KC, Davis, Henry, ZaDarius, Canady waiting in the wings.....That's a Top 5 defense.

7 hours ago, J. Naranjo said:

According to Spotrac, Chris Lewis-Harris is a RFA, not an UFA, and Chris Mathews is a RFA, not an ERFA

Matthews only has 2 accrued seasons (on roster for at least 6 games) which makes him a ERFA (His 1st season he was only active for 3 games - promoted to the 53 in December of 2014).

Chris Lewis-Harris has 4 accrued seasons making him a UFA. Being Inactive for a game still counts towards the 6 games. You can't just look at Games Played (which is probably what Spotrac did) - it's 6 games on the 53 man roster. Plus he's over 27 years old.
 

  On 2/16/2017 at 2:28 PM, Bob21043 said:

Having a top RB will mean nothing, if we don't get the OL fixed.

It wasn't the o line as much as the coaches not calling the running plays or not calling at the right times

Not buying that. We had a makeshift O-line for 75% of the games....The games where we had our starting o-line, we were 4-0. If you have a shaky o-line that can't run block, why would you call run plays? That's like throwing a jump ball for Mike Wallace or calling a long bomb to Crockett Gilmore. The Guard & Center are the most important positions for running the ball - we had Zuttah, a hurt Yanda playing out of position and Old Vlad - sound like a good o-line to run with? The Cowboys had the best running game because they had the best o-line & best RB - had little to do with the coaches....

ducasse,juice,mallett,wagner,williams,jensen,west,onwuasor get to work front office although i believe they can only retain one between wagner and williams. williams is more important imo

Camp, Jensen & West will get original round tenders. Onwausor can't sign with any other team, period. Really just leaves Juice, Wagner & Williams. And I agree - Williams is the priority....

Since good free agent corner backs command huge salaries, which puts Baltimore out of contention, I would say you have to draft corner back. Hopefully the Ravens have a good/big center or tackle sitting there at 48 for the their second pick. If we could sure up our secondary and O line up this year, that would pay dividends for the future and hopefully the Ravens will ready for a run in 2018......... Hopefully

I agree. Drafting a CB in the 1st round gives you 5 years of below market salary.

  1 hour ago, b93333 said:

Joe is the number 2 QB in terms of cap hit and number 24 in terms of QB rating and efficiency. Pretty much says it all. Since we are stuck with him for three more long years due to the dead money issues the question becomes how can the Ravens get him to play better. I am discouraged by the fact that the Ravens have decided that no QB coach is even going to be appointed. Sounds like they are satisfied with 24th ranked play out of their QB.

WOW. You had -1 votes when I got to your comment. Some people on these boards are seriously ridiculous. Literally everything in your post was FACTUALLY TRUE. Obviously some people just can't handle facts and the truth about this team.

You think it's a good idea to base your QB on 1 stat - Passer Rating? That's how you evaluate QBs in the NFL? Flacco was 19th in QBR, he was 7th in Passing Yards, 11th in Completion %, 11th in Yards per Game & 18th in TDs despite playing behind a patchwork o-line for 75% of the games, with a RB that averaged 48 yards a game, and the TE being the leading Reciever.

So, if you base your QB play on Passer Rating, Cam Newton is one of the WORST QBs in football (Ranked 28th). That's your FACTUAL STANCE? Cam has Kelvin Benjamin, Greg Olson, Devin Funchess, Jonathan Stewart and still finishes 29th despite being the 8th QB in salary cap? The Panthers should take your advice and cut him ASAP! SMH.

Matt Ryan was the MVP, will have a cap number only 800k less than Flacco and has CHOKED in every meaningful game he's ever played in (including college) but you think he's the best QB in the league (highest passer rating)....Flacco is a solid QB that can win big games especially in the 4th quarter (game winning drives vs, JAX, OAK, NYG, PIT, WAS). $20 million+ is the going rate for that type of QB.....

Some people just twist the facts to justify their personal truths and agendas about this team.

sorry but keenan Reynolds has only been in the league 1 year

It should read "Players with two OR FEWER accrued seasons....

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

Yeah, I'm sure if a guy choked out your pregnant mom or daughter only ONCE, you'd be cool with him.....cuz he's a baller and they aint nothing but tricks, right?

Who woulda thought that they spent minimal time with KC prior to the draft. Probably spent minimal time watching his film too.

His film was pretty impressive. Great at setting the edge and made plays to get to the QB. Played up against better competition. Much, much better game tape than Noah Spence who was lazy, struggled against the run (still does) & loafed when the play went to the other side and didn't show up against bigger competition.

These are the two guys that most Monday morning GMs like to compare to one another. It will be interesting to see how they do next year. Can KC get on the field? Will Spence recover from his major shoulder surgery and be able to deal with the likelihood that it keeps reoccurring thru out his career?

  20 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

I don't see why they can't do both. Cutting Dumervil will save $6 million - that alone is almost enough to sign Wagner (whom I suspect will be somewhere in the same range as top RTs Schraeder (Falcons) & Schwartz (Chiefs) of $6.5-7 million per). Is their anyone who would rather have Dumervil over Wagner at this point?

Well we have probably about 10 positions on this team that could use upgrading, and if you're committing most of your salary cap just on keeping existing players, it will be extremely difficult to upgrade those.

Certainly can't do it all via the draft. Safety, Corner, Pass rusher (especially when you cut Doom), MLB, WR, Center, etc. Lots of holes to fill and only so much money/draft picks to do it with.

Yes, but the difference being we have some in house replacements for Doom - Judon & Za'Darius. Can they take the next steps? Seems so or they can at least be as productive as an aging Doom would be this year. Meanwhile, if Wagner goes, you don't have a solid player to fill that hole in the o-line (let's assume that Lewis can move to RT, now a hole at LG). Which means that you have to start an inferior player, sign a vet (gonna cost you $3-4 million anyway) or start a rookie.

This draft is deep at Safety, Corner, Pass Rusher, Center and lots of quality WRs in the mid rounds. I think Peanut can fill in for Orr at MLB (he looked good in the Cincy game) with KC as the fall back option. If not, veteran ILB are cheap & easily found on the waiver wire. Really, the holes are mostly on the depth chart - not the starting spots. ILB and DL (if Bwill goes) are the only "starters" we need to fill on defense (You have Peanut & Pierce that could possibly fill those positions). Yes, we need a quality 3rd corner but we have Webb, Weddle, Tavon, Smith as our starters in the secondary. On offense, we need a 3rd WR and a back-up C.

We are in a much better situation than some other teams like the Bengals who have to replace most of their Offensive & Defensive Line this year. Or the Squealers, who are going to commit almost all of there salary cap money to keeping Bell & Brown.

I don't see why they can't do both. Cutting Dumervil will save $6 million - that alone is almost enough to sign Wagner (whom I suspect will be somewhere in the same range as top RTs Schraeder (Falcons) & Schwartz (Chiefs) of $6.5-7 million per). Is their anyone who would rather have Dumervil over Wagner at this point?

  8 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I don't really understand. Before I state my points and questions, I will say this. I live in Ca and and the only games I got to see on my dvr and remind and watch plays over again were the prime time games. The others I had to watch at a pizza place. And I had beer in me for every game. BUT, to me it looks like Pierce was just about as disruptive as BWill this year. He had a couple sacks and to me it looks like he has as much or more pass rushing ability already. And I know he stuffs the run. And I remember multiple times this year just watching him walk an oline man 3-6 yards straight back into the back field. And he played all 16 games. I know he hasn't done it for as long, but I think he's just about there. And very well may be ready to man the every down role of our NT. Especially keeping the momentum from this season heading into the off season. I didn't exclude it because it's not always the same process for everyone. And to me Pierce proved he's ready. He's hungry and really seems as talented as anybody in the league at his position. He just needs more time on the field to prove himself and improve his game, which can top out at all pro level imo. Though true nosetackles don't really get much love at all. What a pick up this guy was.
Brandon Williams is literally going to make 16-20 times more than Pierce next year. Think about how crazy that is. Considering the position+Pierce+our current roster+the price tag for BWill coming up, I think we've gotta spend that 8-10 on something else. Wagner, S. Gilmore, Marshall.
Just wondering why you think Pierce is so far behind BWill

First off, I appreciate the detailed response and you make a lot of valid points. I'm sorry if I implied that I don't have faith in Pierce or that I don't want to see him on the field.

For starters, I don't give a NT much credit or criticism when it comes to sacks because I know that it comes and goes. He may have 7 one season and 1 the next and have a better year overall. Sacks is not a NTs job. Ultimately, a NT needs to swallow double teams and dictate to the opposing offense where the run game goes. B.Will is one of the best at doing that. He regularly makes life easy for our DEs and MLBs. That comes from overall awareness of scheme and football IQ. And of course you need to be physically gifted to be able to do that against opposing linemen.

pierce is a fantastic athlete and can push a car over if he wanted to. I'm just not sure he diagnoses plays and knows when to sacrifice his body or stats for the better of the team. That's not a knock on Pierce but the Ravens play a complicated scheme on the line and if one person steps out of line then we give up big plays not an extra yard or 2.

Pierce started loosing playing time as the season went on and to me that's a big concern. Maybe it's not his fault but that's an indication that he's just not ready. Early in the season when our D was full strength, we put Pierce in situations where he didn't need to think much. Just beat the guy in front of you.

well to keep things simple, having Bwill start and Pierce play 30-50 percent of snaps is a luxury that id love to keep. Dline was one of the few consistant units on this team so why mess with it if you can afford to keep it? We can handle an injury crisis but if Pierce is the starter then he gets hurt or we need more bodies on 3rd and short or goal line then what?

If Williams demands 8-10 mil a year then he's a talent that is worth us working around. It's not like he's going to ask for Suh money or we can't get out of his contract whenever Pierce is ready.

i think iv said this on another thread, the Ravens ultimately have 30-35 million in cap space to work with for 2017 without letting go of players who started last year. If we keep b will and Wagner that's probably gonna count 10-12 mil against the cap combined in 2017. That leaves 15-20mil to attack a draft and FA this year so it's not like we were 2 years ago where we need to make a lot of sacrifices.

Id love to have Gilmore but now we may be talking of something like 12mil a year money and I'm not sure our FO would have 2 CBs making 25 mil a year.

B.Marshall on the other hand is someone that I think we should pursue before he gets released. Heck throw a 6th round their way and we're done here lol. His 7.5 mil cap hit is so doable and we could even sign him to an extension and spread the cap hit as he is in his last year of his deal. 

This will be an interesting off season as our current roster doesn't have any glaring need but a whole bunch of positions that could get upgraded. 

Well said. I agree that Pierce has the natural talent but I didn't see much consistency from him last year. He flashed a couple of games but was nowhere to be found in our biggest games (Pit, NE, etc). The NT position is not about sacks - it's about controlling both A gaps & making the o-line double & triple team you (something that BWill is one of the best in the league at). IF Pierce can take the next step, he is a replacement for BWill - if he doesn't, the Ravens have a huge hole up the middle that teams will run all day on. I would much rather see BWill signed and have Pierce play next to him - that makes our d-line so much stronger. Wallace is a selfish, one trick pony that disappears in games. I would much rather dump him, start Moore and use that money to sign BWill. Not that hard to replace a 65 yard per game WR.

NFL just announced their All-Rookie team. Not a single Raven on it, despite so many picks. Really interesting to see who the Ravens passed on to take Correa and Kaufusi who made zero impact.

Chosen by one ancient old dude that probably didn't watch a single game because he couldn't find the remote...Tunsil is on it but not Stanley, please. It's a joke. This is the same guy that picked Tre Mason, Jace Amaro and chose Thomas Rawls over David Johnson....

The only way that we should take this guy is if he becomes a UDFA. The guy is soooo slow. He is so ridiculously unathletic and he gets consistently beat by smaller, faster guys. Before suggesting that we should use a third rounder on the guy at least look at some of his tape, even just a little bit of it. The guys is stiff and he has a difficult time keeping his pad level low. Hes an upright guy that will never be starting caliber OL. Not at Gaurd or Tackle. At first I thought that he was just a low effort guy. However I have come to the conclusion that he is in fact giving it his all, but he is just so slow and stiff that he looks lackadaisical. Size isnt everything in the NFL. His weight issues are a red flag as well. He has gotten up to 400 pounds at some points during is college career. He has had this weight problem every year and there are legitimate concerns about his dedication to perfecting his craft in the offseason. And when you weigh as much as this guy does shedding weight shouldn't be too difficult. Its not all bad news for this guy though.  He is going to get the nobel peace prize for his part in answering the age old question.... "Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar" .He is already falling down draft boards from a projected 3rd rounder to a 4th, and his combine performance is going to take him down even further. He reminds me of this guy.....

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=10a8c937-62dc-41c7-b7b6-54028c9b95be

Agree 100%. Watch the tape - this guy is not an NFL player....

Cordarrelle Patterson could be a great interview for the Ravens. Here is a kid who brings playmaking to all 3 areas of need on offense. Someone give Oz or Eric (or whomever you might know) acall and see if this is an idea.
Take a look at his numbers, he has been under utilized which means we could be getting a hidden gem. He is willing to carry the ball into danger and loves to break open. Apparently he has pretty good hands, athletic ability and good size.

Problem is he doesn't want to listen to coaches, work on how to run routes or study game film. Talent alone doesn't do anything in the NFL, hence the 4th or 5th WR on the Vikings. Doesn't want to put in the work.....

  9 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

hard nose plays like a raven.. we need more players like this... we need an IDENTITY ON D.. not sure why we let UPSHAW GO.. strongest and meaning Mother Tucker on our team... we need this guy... BRING BACK POWER , BIG HITTERS.. ...

I wanted Ozzie to resign Upshaw in the first place when he was a free agent but instead they want a draft pick instead SMH. The worst part was that he was not expensive to resign. We could've sign him a 2 or 3 year deal. l kept saying that we should've kept Upshaw because he was he was a very underrated player that is good against the run and ok at passrushing. Upshaw is physical.

In 13 games, he had a total of 24 tackles & 1 sack. Jerraud Powers had 33 tackles & 1 sack. I'd rather have the 3rd Round comp pick this year....

The Falcons can make it back to the Super Bowl if they fire their OC, fire their DC, fire their HC for not running the ball & horrible clock management. Get rid of their overpriced $100 million choke artist QB that can't win a play-off game - they can sign Ryan Mallett for 1/5 of the cost. That would free up $ so they could sign Eric Berry, Brandon Williams & Alshon Jeffery. Draft Darrell Revi...I mean Desmond King in the 1st Round, and Alpha Dawgs - DeVonte Fields & Joe Mixon. Hire Gary Kubiak, Norv Turner & Rex Ryan as coaches. Trade Tevin Coleman to the Browns for Joe Haden & a 1st Round pick. Sign Anquan Boldin & Bernard Pollard. Easily win the next 3 straight Super Bowls.....

  9 hours ago, robbie29 said:

The NFL is becoming more and more like WWE- it's more about entertaining and less about playing the freakin' game. With all the billions that are tied up in the league, each week and especially the Super Bowl- there's no way I'll believe that a lot of what we're seeing ain't scripted. Heck, we're probably just a few years away from entire seasons being choreographed.

Break out the tin foil hats. I hear there's aliens in the Nevada desert too. 

While I agree with you, it does seem strange that just when it started to look like the Falcons were going to blow them out (already 14-0), the Pats got 3 straight "defensive holding calls" on 3rd down. And other than the "illegal touching" on the onside kick, not a single penalty on the Pats the entire 2nd half but 4 flags on the Falcons.

"Scripted" is way past conspiracy theory but whistles by the refs in basketball have been used to "shave points" & "engineer comebacks" for the past 50 years....

  6 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

I've seen Matt Ryan play since his college days and in all those years I can't think of one game where he needed to win and he didn't choke. He puts up great numbers during regular season games but when the playoffs begin he is mediocre at best.

Yup, Phillip Rivers 2.0. Choke artists come play-offs. 52 seconds on the clock and all you needed was FG. Throw a 4 yard checkdown (doesn't get out of bounds), spike the ball, throw a horrible (intercepted) pass to a double covered TE. No Julio, no Sanu, the TE....smh. The Falcons 4th Quarter possessions - Punt, Fumble, Punt, Punt. Add in the 2nd worst play-call in Super Bowl history and taking a sack from a defender up the middle that Ryan is looking at = CHOKE!

And just to think that we could probably have Kyle Shanahan as our OC two seasons ago - but we went with Trestman...

We had Kubiak when the Falcons got Shanahan. And Shanny just choked in the biggest game of the season - zero adjustments at half time, offense was horrible the 2nd half. You have the NFL MVP, a top o-line, arguably the best WR in football and one of the top RB in football and you can't win? Man, glad he's not anywhere near this team.....