TheConquerorWorm

  5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

  6 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

or
Round 1. Takkarist McKinley-OLB-UCLA
Round 2. TreDavious White- CB-LSU
Round 3. Sid Jones-CB- Wash
Round 3. Ethan Pocic-C-LSU
Round 4. De De Westbrook- WR-Okla
Round 5. Stacy Coley- WR- Miami
Round 6. Levon Myers- G/T- Northern Illinois

We won't draft Dede Westbrook anywhere in the draft, Stacy Conley is a reach as is levon Myers - I also don't personally like pocic that much - he just seems too tall to be an effective center in the NFL 

Westbrook is the most under rated WR in the draft this year and one of the most under rated players overall....Look at his production and his play making ability / not his 40 time and combine numbers. He could come here and start as our slot WR right now. TBH the thought of Westbrook working the slot with Perriman and Wallace taking the top off is a little exciting. Just curious why you are so sure that the Ravens will not draft him? (I personally think Westbrook reminds me a lot of SSS when he came out of Utah)!

Pocic can play both C and G and most analysts have him rated as one of the top C in the draft and some even call him the top. Not sure they are thinking he is too tall . He seems to be exactly the type of guy that Greg Roman likes.... just curious why you don't like him?

Coley can be a starting returner right now.... when you pick a WR in the 5th round of the draft... you are not expecting them to come in and start and he wouldn't (probably as a WR) but he has potential to develop into that. He is a very raw but explosive athlete and has good speed. He can be our starter in the return game now (something we have been missing for some time... so a dangerous starter in the return game with potential to become a productive slot WR in the NFL in the 5th round .... I wouldn't call that a reach but I am curious why you would.

Myers is compared by CBS Sports to Rick Wagner and Kiper compared him to Villeneuva (sp) of the Steelers.... Both starters and Wagner just became one of the highest paid RT in the NFL. The knock on Myers is that he is slow. The Ravens would probably be looking at moving him inside and ALewis outside. Which would negate the biggest knock against him. He is described as a powerful grinder, who has a mean streak in the run game. Prisco, Kiper, CBS sports and more project him as a possible starter in the NFL...

I wouldn't call that a reach in the 6th round? Just curious why you do? Remember that this is the 6th round... most 6th rounders don't even make the team.

What is it about these guys that make them a reach that late in the draft?

Westbrook has Domestic Violence issues. In case you missed it, Stevie B said that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD THE RAVENS DRAFT THAT KIND OF PLAYER, PERIOD!

Takk or Barnett in the first and Ju Ju in the second!

Takk is a bust. Major shoulder surgery aside, he may have the speed to pass rush but his weak base and lack f lower body strength is going to make him a serious liability against the run. You don't spend a 1st Round pick on a designated pass rusher that will only play passing downs. Carl Lawson in the 2nd is WAY better value. Use your 1st round pick on a guy that can play all the time - even if it means using the TJ pick to go up and get Barnett.

If you want a receiver that can go and get the ball away from a defender, win the toss up throw and such, that is Mike Williams. I think his skill set fits our team as we don't have that guy on it now.,

The only issue I have with Mike Williams is he can either be Kelvin Benjamin or Devin Funchess. One is worth the #16, one is not.

Oz get us Robinson, Lawson, Elflein, JuJu Smith, Tankersley and add Sidney Jones for next year..

Trade back #16-
1- OT 24ish take Cam Robinson pick up a *3rd and *5th
2- Edge 47 Carl Lawson second round
3- Center- 74 ( Elflein or Pocic )
3- WR - 78 ( juju smith or Samuel)
3- *CB - ? (Tankersley or Teez Tabor (Sidney Jones) -extra 3rd round pick
4- CB - 4th round- to trade back up using 3 & 4or 5 to get the CB
5- LB- 5th round
5- OL * extra 5th round
6- deep pick LB/DL
7- deep pick S/CB/KR

I think that's a legit draft and one I would be happy with.

If we come out of this draft filling both holes on the O-line, adding a pass rusher, a WR and a legit CB, I'll be happy.

I don't really care who in what round. You could go Williams/Davis/Ross in 1st and Roderick Johnson in the 3rd. Or Barnett in the 1st & Moton in the 2nd.

This draft is deep on top talent - 3 rounds worth. I don't think you see the quality in the later rounds like last year, but the Top 3 Rounds are strong. Which is why I'm all for trading TJ for a top 3rd Round pick (IMO, that's a top 40 player in any other draft)

  2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Pick 16 + Pick 74 = Pick 8

I like your thinking. The only question is will the Panthers take it? They two are rumored to want to move up.

The Panthers want to move up in front of Jax for Fournette (who I think the Jags are taking). If they can't make a deal with SF or CHI and Jamal Adams (fall back plan) is gone then I think they move back in the draft for McCaffrey.

Pick 16 + Pick 74 = Pick 8

Now how does that trade look?

Pick 16 + Pick 74 = Pick 8

Jernigan was nothing special, but he's definitely better than these other guys they keep mentioning. Davis, Henry, Kaufusi and Urban, are you kidding me. All these guys together have done nothing. They already lost their best DE, in Guy. Orr is gone. Suggs is hanging on. Judon and Smith. Really? Correa? Sheesh. You could have six All Pros in the secondary, and they still won't be able to cover everyone for six seconds. This defense has not improved. The offense is a disaster. But, hey, everyone keep drinking the purple Kool Aid.

You don't think Davis, Henry, Kaufusi or Urban can get 1 Tackle in 4 games? ONE TACKLE, just ONE TACKLE in 4 games....lol

Keep this in mind. A Top 10 pick in the 3rd Round + Pick #16 in the 1st Round would move you up into the Top 10 overall in the 1st Round. You want Fournette, you want Foster, you want Barnett, you want Lattimore - you need to be in the Top 10.

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

Ryan Mink - do you know whether the FO has vetted King Dunlap based on his Domestic Violence background? And has he been cleared or ruled out of consideration based on the team's policy on bringing in players with that background? To me, he's the obvious player to bring in at a position of need.

I think Stevie B has made it pretty clear in several interviews. A player with DV issues will never be a Raven.

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Can someone explain to me why everyone seems so sure that TJ will rate us a comp pick?  He is an average player and I don't see him receiving a monster contract. 

Am I missing something about these comp picks?

Exactly. And it's not just tied to how much he gets or plays. ALL Free agents are ranked by their contracts. The biggest contracts get the 3rd Round picks (usually only 3-5 of them). So, Jernigan HAS to have a great year AND sign a mega-deal that ranks BETTER than Alshon Jeffery, Kirk Cousins, Jimmy G, Devonte Freeman, Julian Edelman, Tyler Eifert, Jarvis Landry, etc, etc, etc.

Ricky Wagner got paid higher than any RT but his contract is only the 8th highest FA contract. IF he has a great year, it would mean a 4th Round pick. If he has an average year, it's a 5th Round at best. Jernigan is nowhere near the level of Wagner.

If Jernigan signs a deal exactly like BWill, it's probably only a 4th or 5th Round Comp pick. Any deal less than that, is a 6th Round comp or not at all.

  7 hours ago, Dedicated Raven said:

No one knows how this trade will pan out until we hit the middle of the season.

Yep, What did Ravens get for that 6th round pick in that Boldin trade?

Dumervil & Steve Smith Sr....

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  4 hours ago, cobrajet said:

  5 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  5 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

They could at least let Timmy finish out his contract! Smh my day "WAS" good until I read this crap! Smh

Maybe this quick analysis will make you see why this is much more probably gonna end up being a good move than a bad one
 

And if you're familiar with RSR, you know that Tony Lombardy isn't the guy who will defend everything about the Ravens organization's actions.

Sorry bio, I will take a motivated Timmy and his production and a possible 3rd round comp pick next draft over moving up 25 spots in the third round this draft any day. IMHO Lombardi is the one who is wrong. He did not convince me one bit with his argument.

And how do you know we would have gotten a "motivated" Jernigan in 2017? And how do you know this "motivation" wouldn't have triggered even more boneheaded penalties?

I guess I don't know. I just have a feeling this young man is going to turn it up after seeing what Williams got. He would be a fool not to. My money is on him having a real good year.

Maybe so. Jernigan was not really a good fit for a 3-4 defense where DE need to have size & length (think Watt, Tuitt, Wilkerson). Basically Jernigan was limited to backing up the NT position in our defense. Last year, he wasn't effective as a DE especially against the run - which is why he was replaced by Michael Pierce later in the season. Moving to a 4-3 with the Eagles, he can play a DT that rushes the passer and doesn't have to play the run. Probably will have a better year just on volume of playing time, but he's not going to the Pro Bowl. And his stats here are easily replaced by Pierce, Kafusi, Urban, Davis & Henry.

The Ravens traded a player that wasn't a good fit and was in his walk year plus a 3rd Round comp pick (basically a 4th Rounder) for a top 3rd Round pick.

  On 4/3/2017 at 4:39 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

  On 4/3/2017 at 0:47 PM, Tenacious Faulker said:

I loved Kubiak here in Baltimore, but I knew that IF he decided to be an HC again after his time here and recovered from his health issues he'd be a short-timer. here. I always liked him as OC for the Broncos and HC for Houston and knew he'd help Baltimore greatly. I was "right" on both accounts though. He did help us and he did leave after a season when his old buddy Elway asked him to coach Denver. I never liked Kyle for his personality and I never like nepotism (like in Washington) but I have to admit that he ran a stellar offense in Atlanta with Joe's 1st rd draft-mate Matt Ryan. In retrospect I wonder if it Kyle mught not have been the better option for long-term benefits for the offense.

Shanny would have been 1 and done too. And I'm still not sold on him being a "top" OC or Coach (see play calls in SB - 4th quarter).

It's the Falcons - pretty easy to play call for them.

1. Throw the ball to Julio
2. See #1
3. Hand off to Freeman or Coleman
4. When all else fails, see #1

Well they weren't world beaters on offense before he got there, and had largely the same offensive personnel.

Can argue they actually have less talent on offense than they have in the past during the Ryan/Julio era.

So in the 2 years he was in Atlanta, they were horrible in Year 1 and some of the worst play calling lost them the Super Bowl in Year 2. Like I said, not an "outstanding OC" more like same old, same old. Especially if you factor in his time in Washington & Cleveland as their OC. Nothing special....

  2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

You think a guy that plays 54% of the time is a starter? Albert McLellan played as many snaps at ILB (with Orr & Mosley) as Jernigan did on the D-Line. Aiken played more often than Jernigan. Jernigan was a rotational guy behind STARTERS BWil & Michael Pierce. We're not going to miss a DLman that averages 1 tackle per game.

Plus, have you seen how stacked this draft is? A top pick in the 3rd Round can land a shutdown corner. So, you'd rather have a part-time DLman for 1 year than have a shutdown corner for 4 years?????

Shutdown corner in the 3rd really....And moving up a few spots will really make that difference??? Ravens should be looking for that corner in the 1st 

25 is a few spots?? I guess there's no difference between picking 7th and picking 32? And yes, the CB crop is that deep. Sidney Jones, Sutton, Desmond King, Fabian Moreau, Tankersly could all realistically be there at the top of Round 3. Or how about the best C in the draft - Pocic or Elflein may be there. WR - JuJu, Malachi. Now, we can get 2 of them with the 74th & 78th picks.

Or, we can package both to move up into the middle of Round 2.

  2 hours ago, sami said:

  3 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

WELL ... Barnett has just become more of a real consideration bc we just traded Timmy Jernigan plus our # 99 overall pick for their # 74 overall pick.

IDK... I don't like it. I know that we were going to lose Timmy but If we would have moved up 25 spots and got an extra 5th rounder from them.. I would have felt good about it... but

Even we just let him play his contract out and lost him... we would have gotten a 4th round pick for him. So basically we traded a starter at 3rd round pick and a 4th round to move up 25 spots this year in the 3rd round?

what makes you think we would have gotten a 4th round pick for him? That's not a guarantee.

Nope you are right we could have got a 3rd.... I was just being conservative in making my point but your right.... we may have traded away a starter and two 3rd round picks for a higher 3rd round pick! SMH

Jernigan would have to sign a Top 5 Free Agent contract after next year - highly doubtful that his contract would be bigger than Cousins, Kam, Alshon, Lacy, Ezekiel, Edelman, Jimmy Graham, etc. etc. If he signed the same deal as BWill - it would probably only net a 4th or 5th rounder because of the other free agent contracts. My guess is its a 6th Round or not at all.....

  53 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

  1 hour ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

They could at least let Timmy finish out his contract! Smh my day "WAS" good until I read this crap! Smh

Maybe this quick analysis will make you see why this is much more probably gonna end up being a good move than a bad one
 

And if you're familiar with RSR, you know that Tony Lombardy isn't the guy who will defend everything about the Ravens organization's actions.

Sorry bio, I will take a motivated Timmy and his production and a possible 3rd round comp pick next draft over moving up 25 spots in the third round this draft any day. IMHO Lombardi is the one who is wrong. He did not convince me one bit with his argument.

What if the comp pick were a 4th rounder? Does that change it?

I generally agree that the compensation doesn't quite seem like enough, BUT, I'm not sure we should be assuming a 3rd round comp pick either.

Yeah, highly doubt it's even a 4th Rounder. Comp picks are based on the salaries of the free agents (plus a few other small factors). Jernigan would have to have one of the top 5 biggest contracts of the off-season to qualify for a 3rd. That means he would have to sign a deal more than Cousins, Bradford, Alshon Jeffery, Kam Chancellor, Terrelle Pryor, Mike Wallace, Edelman, Lacy, etc, etc.

I bet the Eagles don't get much except a 5th or 6th round comp pick, if at all.

  29 minutes ago, purpledown said:

good trade for the Ravens. They were not going to resign him so they will get something for him. Should be a valuable player.

Please tell me what that something was because I can't see it, we gave up a player and a pick to move up...and not just any player but a YOUNG STARTER IN A CONTRACT YEAR....only a great pick at 74 can salvage this one and even then the eagles still get something extra....look at it this way eagles gain proven starter and only swap draft positions, in the 3rd no less to get him it's a win for them regardless

You think a guy that plays 54% of the time is a starter? Albert McLellan played as many snaps at ILB (with Orr & Mosley) as Jernigan did on the D-Line. Aiken played more often than Jernigan. Jernigan was a rotational guy behind STARTERS BWil & Michael Pierce. We're not going to miss a DLman that averages 1 tackle per game.

Plus, have you seen how stacked this draft is? A top pick in the 3rd Round can land a shutdown corner. So, you'd rather have a part-time DLman for 1 year than have a shutdown corner for 4 years?????

I wouldn't mind him at 16. Kid dominated all of the pass rusher in the draft from the SEC. Even handled "generational talent" Myles Garrett for the entire game except for 1 play. Can easily play LG or RT and is the big, nasty mauler that you want. Game tape reminds me of KO.

In fact, here's the scouting report from both:

KO:
"Osemele is an extremely strong, natural run blocker. He is explosive off the line and can visibly jolt defenders back. Once engaged, he can ignite a powerful leg drive to keep defenders at bay. If Osemele can learn to play with consistency and channel his explosiveness, he could be an overwhelming blocker who is dominant at the next level."

Cam:
"Outstanding, proportional frame with combination of thickness and athleticism. Fires into his target with a forceful pop generating early power and push. Can uproot defender and turn him out of hole as a drive blocker. Able to respond to power with power. Can work seamlessly from block to block in combos. Works and climbs to second level with controlled, stalking footwork. Has initial quickness to pull and land on defenders in space. Athletic enough to slide over and catch inside challenges. Usually works feet into position pre-contact in run game. Good length and gets adequate extension in his punch.

Let's take a guy who likes to carry weed and guns around with him...in college. Sounds logical. A guy with a gun cruising around Baltimore sounds like a great plan. There is no denying his talent and he would be an excellent fit on the right bookend, but I think he is too risky of a pick at 16. 

Read the facts. Cam didn't have weed or a gun. One of the guys that was in the backseat, stashed it under the seat (when he left). When the cops showed up, the passenger actually turned the gun over to the police immediately. It's why the DA dropped all charges. You think a Louisiana cop is gonna give a break to an Alabama player? If you get pulled over for speeding in Pittsburgh with a MD tag & a Ravens bumper sticker - you're not getting off with a warning......

I loved Kubiak here in Baltimore, but I knew that IF he decided to be an HC again after his time here and recovered from his health issues he'd be a short-timer. here. I always liked him as OC for the Broncos and HC for Houston and knew he'd help Baltimore greatly. I was "right" on both accounts though. He did help us and he did leave after a season when his old buddy Elway asked him to coach Denver. I never liked Kyle for his personality and I never like nepotism (like in Washington) but I have to admit that he ran a stellar offense in Atlanta with Joe's 1st rd draft-mate Matt Ryan. In retrospect I wonder if it Kyle mught not have been the better option for long-term benefits for the offense.

Shanny would have been 1 and done too. And I'm still not sold on him being a "top" OC or Coach (see play calls in SB - 4th quarter).

It's the Falcons - pretty easy to play call for them.

1. Throw the ball to Julio
2. See #1
3. Hand off to Freeman or Coleman
4. When all else fails, see #1

April Fools!!
 

IMO Waller will become the #1 receiver on the team and a star in the NFL. He and Perriman may become the top receiver tandem in the league. As long as the Ravens get 1 or 2 more top level OL this will be their year.

Waller has questionable hands, can't block and runs poor routes - that's not star quality. Uses his size well on jump balls down the sideline and in the red zone but that's about it. Justin Hunter & DGB arguably have more talent with the same size/speed combo and have yet to make a mark in the NFL.

Joe should have 3 Super Bowls! But noooooooooooooooooo he tried to get a pass off before Troy Polomalu strip the ball out his hand costing us a trip against the Cardinals and a very very very bad pass against the pats costing us another Super Bowl against the Seahawks because Justin had a monster day and throwing to the endzone and maybe depending on your banged up secondary to stop Brady would have been pointless! I thought Joe could get 5 rings with us but he disappointed me big time! Ozzie and Co. are working their tails off keeping good players on this team year after year but it all falls on the QB! And throwing the O line under the bus is getting old! Smh multiple Super Bowls we should have FOUR! Bring facts to the table if you think different!

You forgot the Lee Evans/Billy Cundiff fiasco and the Boldin dropped pass - both money passes by Flacco.