TheConquerorWorm

Michael Floyd is a Free Agent next year. You would have had him for the last 2 games in which he didn't know our system. He's familiar with the Pats system as Charlie Weis runs a similar one at Notre Dame. On top of that, you have to cut a player off our active roster and more importantly, you have to take on his salary. So, it would have burnt an extra $1.2 million in salary cap space that we can carry over to next year.

If we had Julio Jones, Devonte Freeman & Tevin Coleman.....instead we got Mike Wallace, Terrence West & Kenneth Dixon.....

Who let the Boldin trolls out again?

I'm very familiar with the articles describing the Ravens' system, but what you conveniently have left out, is that the pre-draft rankings already take into consideration personalities, character concerns, possible off-field issues and other non-football related factors. It has not been revealed how much these factors weigh in compared to football skills and attributes, but considering how often we have skipped players "with concerns" who are much higher on many of the pundits' big boards, I'd say our organisation takes any personality concerns way more seriously than many others. You know, you can try to spin this any way you want, the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter who puts together our draft board and whose opinion counts more, the fact is that way too often for my personal liking have we skipped on a very talented players in the draft. Not taking risks with talented players who might have, but also might not have once they reach NFL, those "character concerns" has, in my personal opinion, led us to this shortage of game changing play makers we are facing today. The FO has admitted that one of the reason for our troubles is the lack of play makers. But unfortunately they have not opened up about what they think the reason is for that, why haven't our draft picks turned out to be the studs they were hoped to be. Is our scouting, evaluation of prospects and pre-draft ranking process flawed? Or is it that we have been unwilling to take some risks in the draft (like I believe the reason to be)? Or maybe our staff is incapable of coaching these players up? Or we have just been unlucky and drafted a whole bunch of players with very limited talent? Just out of curiosity, what do you think ConquerorWorm, what's the reason we have failed to draft any kind of significant playmakers for many many years now? Because you can't deny that we have not drafted many serious impact players. But please don't get me started with the "we've drafted KO and B.Williams and Juice", they are top of their respective positions but these positions aren't the ones that can carry the entire team and put the game on their backs. I'm sure you know what I mean. Back pedal, back pedal. So now you're saying it's not Harbaugh's fault and he doesn't control what players we draft? Of course players are going to get bumped down due to off-field concerns, medical concerns, etc but it's not because of the HC as you claimed. It's a solid, proven philosophy of the Ravens organization (and millions of successful businesses) - The best predictor of future performance is past performance. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule like Honey Badger. But for every one of those, I can name the Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy's of the NFL. Are you going to invest the future of your franchise on that risk? And after the Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Terrence Cody off-season, Stevie B & Co. are going to take those concerns more seriously than others. Stanley is a play-maker - franchise LT are not easy to find. CJ Mosley is a stud LB and a play-maker (i guess you didn't see those INT). Both are serious impact players. Again, you say we've passed on all these play-makers but you don't name them. Now, if you're talking about RB & WR - that's another issue. The bust rates on those players are about the highest (especially WR). For every OBJ you name, I can name the Kevin Whites, DGB, etc. To mitigate the bust factor, you need to draft in the Top 15. The Ravens have only once in many, many years drafted that high (and nailed it with Stanley.). It's also an organizational philosophy - the game is won in the trenches on both sides of the ball and the Ravens draft accordingly (as do the Pats, the Packers, the Seahawks, the Broncos, etc). Zeke & Dak are good but it's the o-line that makes them work. What have play-makers Dez, AP, Mike Evans, Darrell Revis, Patrick Peterson, OBJ, Todd Gurley, David Johnson, AJ Green, LeVeon Bell, Antonio Brown, etc won? Nothing. Only 15% of all players drafted become perennial starters. So, given the average draft of 240 players, that's 36 players in the entire draft become starters between all 32 teams. That's an average bust rate of 85%. It's not a flawed system of evaluation, scouting, etc - the draft is a low percentage chance. Part of the problem is perception. You think if a guy is drafted in the 1st Round, he should be an impact starter, however, the odds & history say that's the complete opposite. When the odds say the Ravens should only get 1 starter from the draft and Oz gets 4 (Stanley, Lewis, Dixon & Young) that's a damn good draft.

The blocking schemes will be the same. I'm sure because I"ve played higher levels of football! HAHAHAHAHAHA A go route and a dig route is the same in every system, a counter run and a draw are the same in every system.....So according to you, troll, a different OC don't mean a thing, right? Same passes. Same runs. Same throws. Same blocking. Why does an offense need to learn a new system? SMH

Michael Floyd is an UFA after this year and do you really think Stevie B is going to claim a guy that got a DWI on video?

We had Boldin in 2011 - he wasn't open. We would have had another SB in 2010 if Boldin doesn't drop the pass against the Squealers to win the game (it hit him in the chest).

yes indeed if he is interested never mind he is already the titans o-line coach but Joe Jacoby is available. How Route 66 is not in the HOF next to Grimm is just a travesty of justice. Hopefully that is rectified this year....

Hopefully, having the same OC two years in a row will help the O-line. Now, they don't have to focus on learning new terminology, blocking schemes, etc. Surprised how often everyone talks about the effects on a QB having to learn a new system & terminology but nobody talks about the O-line having to do the same. Blocking assignments are every bit as complicated as WR progressions. The fact that Roman sees Rex Ryan as a "buffoon" of a head coach tells me that he at least has some sense.....

Ofcourse Harbaugh has impact on the draft, otherwise he would not be in the war room on draft day. Oz makes the final decision, but his decision is strongly impacted by the opinion of HC and the way the HC wants to run this team. Stop being stupid in front of everyone. As to the players drafted, not once did I say that we should pick wife beaters, drug addicts or convicted felons. I don't even mean that we have to draft drama queens like OBJ. What I did indicate was that we have too often skipped a very talented game changing player, because Harbaugh had "character concerns". These players had no criminal past, but they were uncomfortable for Harbaugh, because they might think too much and express their different opinions the way Ed Reed did. Harbaugh doesn't want that, he wants conveniently docile players. That means, unfortunately, a lack of any kind of passion or competitiveness. Let me try to simplify this so that you can comprehend it (because obviously you don't read the articles about the draft on this site). Before the draft, the Ravens put together a draft board that ranks every player in the draft (even the "bad boys"). Contrary to your belief, these rankings are not done by Harbaugh - they are done by Oz & Eric based on the input from all of the scouts, coaches and FO staff. Now, right before the draft, each person is given 1 red star to place next to the name of the player they want the most. During the draft, Ozzie & DeCosta will move up and down the draft based on where they think their highest rated player will fall. Now, there have been many articles from Byrne, Mink and others that talk specifically about Oz sticking with the Ravens pre-draft rankings (thus the Best Player Available talk). And yes, when given a choice between two similar players, Ozzie may elicit the opinion of Harbaugh, Horitz & Vincent or others but he and Eric make the call. But despite your claims, I can guarantee Harbaugh never said to Ozzie during the draft to choose a less talented player because he was a "yes man". Here's my source on this info: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Byrne-Identity-Heres-What-Happened-In-Ravens-Draft-Room-Last-Night/c1ae2d9a-63b5-442a-bc41-87689206215a Now, post your source on "What I did indicate was that we have too often skipped a very talented game changing player, because Harbaugh had "character concerns"." Now, name those talented game changing players. You can't because you are talking out your backside.

The NFL doesn't really care about fans in seats - ticket sales are about 15-20% of the revenue. Having a TV deal in the biggest US TV market, now that's another story. Why do you think the Jags are moving to London? You think it's to sell tickets? It's because London would become the biggest TV market in the NFL.

I disagree. Humphrey, Tabor, Jackson, Tankersley, White, Conley & Chidobe are all equally talented, if not more than the guys you listed. There are 12-15 top quality NFL starting CB in this draft. I would love for the Ravens to go out and get two of them - let's put this CB thing to rest. As much as the trolls on here would cry, I would like to see Oz move back into the 20s in the 1st round and snag 1 of those CB and then use those extra picks to move up in the 2nd Round to snag another one of those guys. But, I have a feeling the Ravens will have most of those guys pretty evenly rated (they are imo) - meaning that at least 1 of them will be around in the 2nd round. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens didn't use a 1st Round pick on a CB but instead went with Solomon Thomas (if he falls) or a WR like Corey Davis/Mike Williams. Peppers would make for a great S as well.

there are so many names to add to that list. Matt Elam Perriman Arthur Brown Upshaw Cody Ed Dickson Kindle Jah Reid Brooks Carl Davis Maxx Williams KC All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments Name another team that doesn't have as many if not more "busts"..... Again, learn the football business - the HC has little to no impact on the players we draft.

Harbaugh has little to no impact on the players we draft. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out after the Ray Rice, Pierce, Cody off-season that the OWNER not Harbaugh probably instructed Oz & company not to draft those "bad boy" players with domestic violence or drug problems. What players are you talking about? Noah Spence, who did little to nothing this year and just had major shoulder surgery? Or are you still mad we didn't draft Tunsil to be our average LG (like he is on the Dolphins). Maybe you mean Dorial Green Beckham or Randy Gregory? You've obviously never played football in the higher levels if you think for one second that any player drafted is not tough, talented or passionate. It's a clown argument.....

Flacco led game winning drives in the 4th quarter against OAK (twice), NYG, PIT, WAS & JAX this year. Yes, he has some warts but that tells me he can win games in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. Despite what PFF or TQBR or any of the rankings say, that's better than half the QBs in the league. I'll go to battle with a guy that I know can win games. Might not be pretty at times, is definitely not a HOF QB like Ben or Brady and will never put up fantasy stats but is a good QB. I'll take a $24 million QB that wins over a $22 million Stafford or a $20 million Tannehill or a $19 million Luck or $19 million Osweiler that doesn't.

No Jimmy Smith, no playoffs, no playoff wins. They never came out and said it but his injury was season ending. Ravens lose one player and the seasons over. Last time it was Suggs. Remember the goofball they brought in to replace him fom the Eagles. What a Waste products. Another great coach decision there. Head Coach doesn't make personnel decisions.....

It not a good defense but no matter what you can't have the defense play most of the other quarters. The offense 3 and outs is un acceptable. The Ravens had nearly a 10 minute time of possession advantage over the Stillers, so that excuse doesn't wash for that game. Same for the Raiders game and the Giants game, also situations where the defense crumbled in the end. I still for the life on me can not understand why Webb and Wright did not even try to tackle the receiver in bounds. Webb actually pushes him out of bounds on the first pass I watches that series three times and one thing stuck out NO LEADERSHIP. Ray & Ed would have been all over it. i.e Super Bowl. There is so much wrong with this team its impossible to nail it down to a couple of things. I know, I saw that too. Where Webby pushed the Steeler receiver out of bounds instead of tackling him in-bounds. That's a rookie mental mistake that Webby shouldn't be making at this point in his career. The receiver was fighting for extra yardage...maybe a yard or 2, but let him have it cause the clock is more important at that stage of the game. It's a different mindset. The great Rod Woodson said that going from CB to Safety is the hardest position switch in football and was the hardest thing for him. This was basically Webb's first year at safety - should see significant improvement next year.

You think a soft, cry on the sideline cause your losing, DB is better than Stanley?

a top notch corner makes $16 million a year (with a $20 million cap hit this year)....See Josh Norman

I think you need to rewatch the Oakland game, the Giants game, the Philly game and the Squealer game. Game winning touchdown drives in the final minutes of the 4th quarter by the offense....only to have the defense not being able to stop anybody with less than 2 minutes left.

Glad Ozzie make the picks and not you! Not me. Ozzie's picks over the past 7 years have been destroying this franchise! If you need a list I'd be more than happy to provide. There have been at least 10-12 100% whiffs in rounds 1-3 over the past 7 years. Forget pro bowls, they are guys that can't even contribute at all to a victory. It's very sad, for the Ravens, and the fans. Think about that, completely whiffing on 2 of 3 picks in rounds 1,2, and 3.....for 7 years in a row!!!! That combined with our below average coaching staff, it's a miracle we went 8-8. Sizzle,Ngata, Ray, and Ed made John look good. Now he's been 100% exposed. This was literally the worst coached season in any sport I've seen my entire life. Yet Steve says bring em all back??? When all is said and done, if we keep drafting like we have been, we'll be losers for years to come. Stanley is good. He better be good, he was picked 6th overall. Would've been nice to move back, pick up another high pick, and maybe have taken a corner in the first? Instead we move back later, for 4th round picks instead of 1rst and 2nds, and pass on franchise builders like Shepard, Spence, and Michael Thomas....And what do we do all that for.....100%WHIFF-KC. Kinda goes without saying that the phrase "in ozzie we trust" hasn't been around for almost a DECADE. Then Kufasi, another awesome hustle and developmental player. This draft has multiple pro bowl corners in the first round. If we don't take one, the fans will have to "rise up!" LOL. really though. drafting and coaching are destroying the Ravens. It's not my opinion either. It's fact Every team has close to the same "whiffs". Name me any pick Ozzie has made and I'll give you at least 10 guys picked BEFORE that player that been 100% busts..... Belicheck is horrible picking in the 1st Round - I guess you think he's destroying the Pats, too? SMH You wanted us to pick Jalen "Crying on the sideline cause he's losing" Ramsey. A soft, no heart DB - yeah that's what we needed....

The O-line coach doesn't determine the blocking scheme - the OC does with his system. It's up to the O-line to coach the players on that particular system. Look at it this way, Castillo has had to teach his o-line 5 different blocking schemes in 5 years. It's no different than a QB having to learn a new system with each OC.

I believe the articles are only during the season.

Great, so with your marvelous GM skills we go into the 2017 season with a 2nd year receiver who hasn't proven himself, Moore another 2nd year receiver who hasn't done anything, Campanaro who can't stay healthy and hasn't done anything relevant but 1 TD, hedging your bets on signing Garcon/Britt and then have another undeveloped unproven rookie. Brilliant!!!! I can see us winning a SB with that line-up... Every single one of our receivers consistently dropped passes - that was a major problem this season. Wallace was the 2nd leading WR with TD's and you want to get release him, not happening. Rumor has it - really, haven't heard that rumor You think Wallace is better than Britt or Garcon? Wallace turns 31 and we've seen what happens to a one trick speedster when they age. That's the only difference in your scenario and mine. http://www.sportsgrid.com/real-sports/nfl/mike-wallace-complain-miami-dolphins-beat-cleveland-browns/ "But besides sitting down and chatting with his coaches, Harbaugh needs to get some harmony back in the locker room. Receivers Steve Smith and Mike Wallace are privately pouting because they aren't getting the ball enough." "On offense, the Ravens are an unhappy bunch. You can see it in the temper tantrum receiver Mike Wallace threw on the sideline Sunday...

If we are waiting for a "great" coach - why would they be available to coach the Ravens if they were "great?" Great coaches aren't fired, they are kept - Belichick belichicks OC would be a great head coach You mean the guy that drafted Tebow in the 1st Round and destroyed Denver's team for years?