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Yeah we did and i was pleasantly surprised. I didn't get to see the whole game. How did Givens fair against his old squad?

This certainly changes the whole out-look. I'd have to say I never envisioned Flacco being hurt. He's been so durable. Now Schaub looks to take the reigns and we'll get to see that investment prove itself. The outlook isn't as bleak as it could have been, like a late season injured Flacco. We need him to comeback healthy. I bet they will provide more quick release options going forth to protect him better. So top to bottom, this team will be evaluated. As many of us had hoped for. Just not in this manner. We can only get better as this has to be the worst result ever. I'll even go out on a limb and say will significantly alter the off-season's plan. Good or bad, it has to. Every player on this roster will and should get a chance. Lastly I wonder how this will affect Flacco's, contract restructuring. But in all honesty I'm really more concerned about his health. Get better buddy, Get better.

Thanks Grim. I getting a little bored discussing the same topic's. A gleamer of something new to look at will doing my wondering mind some food. I still am really hoping to see some freshness during the games. Just hoping they insert somebody we aren't accustomed to watching. New packages. Any damn thing. lol Don't work to hard.

Whatever. He's a fourth at best.

I understand the positives about post/observations but I don't understand the un willingness to address the receiver needs. Sure you can't fix them all in one season. However the lack of attention in that area continues to haunt them. Several years have passed without beneficial results. Knowing you have players that most likely aren't capable to sustain us, has hurt us. Due to past performances it became painfully obvious. I applaud his efforts in many area's but I can't say the same thing about this one. The same things are occurring in the cornerbacks category. Key roles on any winning team. Kendrick's play has been far below his salary. Brooks can't see the field as reported because of mental lapses and he's been here far to long for that. Webb's replacement isn't even in the pipeline. Jimmy's regression is apparent with his injury history taking a toll. It just of late that they're starting to infuse acquisitions that address the need to develop behind players noted problem area's. Reactive mode, instead of pro active mode. Sure the man hits some out of the park, but the constants remain. It's in part due to the business side of the Nfl. My impression is that they over value some positions and under estimate others. You not even relatively sure what you'll get in the seventh round in a Campanaro. And he had to trade back into it to get him. I like the project aspect of picks but not at key/obvious positions. Tightends in todays NFL play a limited role. Completing the picture would certainly help. Perriman will probably help but value and need/BPA can co-exist. Another thing that irks the hell of me is they bring these great propects in, tip their hand, and whiff on making the selection. Why announce to the world that you have high interest in him and standpat when selection time comes around. That's ridiculous.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us double up on the receivers and Shepard and Coleman seem to be reasonable headliners draft day. It really boils down to how much production they accumulate by seasons end, any bowls they play in, combine results/ numbers and the hype. I looked @ some film of both and I'd be stoked beyond belief. I truly appreciate that lead. Keep up the good work guys/gals.

Great post. I didn't consider that aspect. It really does add another few wrinkles. FA would be truly unpredictable. They may have seen the need to do it because some the struggling teams are now foundering and are cap strapped. The league certainly can't afford for key markets/teams to struggle for extended periods of time. It's bad for business. I just hope they pass the measure. As it reads, its up for a vote and not concrete. If the owners don't pass it……………..

Who are your off the radar targets no mentioned you have interest in. Any small school or 2nd stringers. I looking to expand my film study. I trying to look at a bigger picture much like what the ravens may do. I don't like being surprised. If the Ravens do covet someone I'm not familiar with. Any positions would be great.

Interesting. I see your point.

It does have a limit and the formula adjusts the number of comp picks awards, player production, salaries, playing time, round taken etc. It gets complicated. That's why it takes so long for the teams to know if and where they pick. It's also very rare that a team receives a third round pick. An article that helps is posted on Overthecap.com

Now Rosberg is taking ownership as he must feel a little safer because of the accolades bestowed upon him. But I don't think Rosberg failed him. I think Harbaugh fails this team with some of the knee jerk reactions. Ross should have been given a chance to redeem himself in that last game. Crushing a mans dreams without a opportunity doesn't sit well. Sure I'd be angry but not to his degree. Unless it was happening in practices also, I don't get the doghouse BS. We knew full well that he maybe prone to it when he was brought in. Coach'em up coach. Rosberg turned quite a few players into talents. Why dismiss someone who has shown flashes. Funny (Not really) how he has his picks. Come On Man !

I was that with you on that and I also must re-evaluate as well. I certainly expect better results and key acquisitions of quality. Given the maneuvering capabilities we have. I'm just hoping the new picture doesn't further cloud what's doable and not. If the christmas presents are cheap then It won't be a good look. Ozzie loves to open them presents. But if your throwing half in the trash because there broke or un fixable then i hope he saves the money for the big ticket items. We can scour the bins during the season. It's be proven via this season. Wasted picks are wasted picks.

I don't think anyone here blames you, Mr.Perriman. We just had very high hopes for your success and the teams abilities to draft an immediate successor on the receiver needy team. We do blame the team for it's failures in that department. If I were you, I wouldn't take it personally. The NfL is a business. And in this business it's required that you get right. We wish nothing but success here and going forward. Now back to railing on the FO…….lol. Let's start a positive thread about him. He'll likely be fresh and healthy with something to prove. And theres no where to go but up…… I trust that all that which has happened is a wake-up call of a gigantic proposition. Do your homework completely scouting dept. We won't be pulled by the nose without resistance going forth.

I need to see the guys play is all I can and will say at this juncture. Put them In coaches. Put em in. Run some college style plays if needed to get a feel for there potential. But exhaust all efforts to evaluate them. Practices can happen on the field of live play at this late stage of the game. I'm truly hoping that some of these coaches are let go after the season. Epic failures in that dept. should not be tolerated in our efforts to rebuild this teams infrastructure. Steve should also look into the FO's tendency to whiff on numerous players. It's painfully obvious there is a disconnect between the evaluations process and the selection of the players. If they clean house during the off-season and raid some teams with proven scouts in certain departments i.e. receivers and cornerbacks for the sake of argument. I see no other team using the Ravens model of drafting. They have taken a page out the book as far as gathering comp picks but little else. Lastly the tape doesn't lie. Snippets from the internet can go along way to aid in evals. No, not solely, but thee enthusiasm and projections may also help the coaches in scheming/spying there opponents. We won't get all of the prospects we'd like but the fall back plans in the first two rounds don't address the notion that if this guy doesn't produce as expected then we have to live with the initial results because the BPA strategy/free agent doesn't allow for it. It's truly mind boggling how the Ravens never addressed the fact that receivers counted on may have been and seemingly are one hit wonders. I'd take an aging vet with maybe 5 good years and a sustained track record of success hasn't been utilized. Smithsr's don't come around everyday but there are options with better tread wear becoming cap casualties every year. The youngsters need role models both on and off the field. The coaches on the field teach technique, work ethic, and film study. Player's like SSSr teach all of the aforementioned and displays it in live action. I'm sending my scouts out with a dedicated blueprint and concrete checks and balances in order to semi guarantee that level of success. A player that had one maybe two miscues in character/errant routes being run shouldn't preclude them from consideration. I'm not looking for a headache either. But for as much money as they've doled out to player's that haven't/couldn't product. They have control of these malfunctions because they control the purse strings. Loyalty only goes so far. Talent 9/10 wins games. If the steeler's, Pats, GB can field once considered no-name brands year in and out. What's wrong with that picture. The Cowboys get honorable mention but I don't particularly care for the total support of the players that have domestic violence, Drunk driving with injuries, handgun problems. We are human but we would have to draw the line somewhere. If the player came in with any issues not as serious and was put on notice that they wouldn't get payed after being properly vetted and or adjudicated of the issues would probably go along way to putting together a quality product to be proud of. Un fortunately you can't engineer the NFL injuries and bonehead mistakes of the societal nature. But you can rid yourself of a headache by directly addressing the possible problem with cost cutting measures inserted in contracts. Using the, What have done for me lately approach to contracts would be prudent as well. After, further review of the Pitta debacle. So what if the prized player scoffs. Let someone else pick up the player and take the risk. Wish them great luck in life. And have confidence in your abilities to scout the next up and coming talented player. Loyalty is overrated in the NFL. So is the alter boy type player. They don't often play in the NFL, they watch the NFL games. Looking at us play-I'd think they're cursing louder then me….lol.

This anomaly of a season IMHO is probably the best way cap wise to rebuild this aging team going forward. To address this state of affairs within the teams structure, we should be hopeful at best. Seeing the development of players whom may have never sniffed the field because of their status's (practice squad,doghouse,limited due to injuries/practices) should help in the pre 2016 season. It can only help us going forward to see firsthand both (team and fans) what the newly introduced players may have to offer. I'm not wishing for a total meltdown but to the contrary. I'm looking for the total evolution of the teams dynamic. Every one organizational wise is now put on notice that if you keep doing what you've always done the result will probably be the same. No one can cast a blind eye and not be held accountable. Sure somethings work and don't work. Now's a prime opportunity to gauge their process and address it. The likelihood of missing the problems should (significantly) diminish. It's a litmus test that will provide information as to whom has outlived their time here, those whom need to be retooled in the process, those that need to be advanced and those that need to go. Seven games is plenty of time to see the start of this happening. That's another avenue to get better. Treading into un-charted water's can only help us. We obviously don't know what's ailing the team aside from the injuries. That's an in house comment. As Harbaugh says, "We have to find a way to get it done". A lot of fans have seen this coming and they are from afar. So I'd suggest the organization convene a fan based/level headed panel and get direct feedback as to what they see weekly. I say this because they (Ravens) have come out publicly, stating they don't really consider our view points as valid because we are not in their shoes. They probably wouldn't have to pay many of us because we love the team so much. At least our adrenaline isn't clouding our perspective every waking moment during the season.

He will do well for us. As time goes by we will be more appreciative. He's already shown he can get open and catch. Joe just needs to be able to hit him in stride.

I actually like this post. Josh could be signed for a next to nothing and incentive/ clause laden at that. When your money gets tight you tend to do what's right. One year prove its often pan out. If not, cut bait. In fact I'd offer a sixth round pick if Cleveland still owned his rights do his suspension. They often don't pan out in our drafts anyway. So we aren't losing much anyway. Henry should be there in the late 1st (as of this date). I looked the Nfll comparisons of heisman trophy nominees posted on the Nfl.com and there are intriguing. They are some listed on it that I wouldn't mind a well. Any of the options in this post would be an immediate upgrade.

Over the the intercom. Ross come to my office…………… Harbaugh……….. "Your cut" ." Best of luck" Pee's come to my office……………Harbaugh………..Your fired". "Best of luck". "See finance and pickup your check". Coach Harbaugh come to my office………Ozzie……".I've just been informed that we've got to let you go". "It's been a great run and we did win a ring". "Best of luck"…………."Steve has a parting gift for yay". Ozzie Newsome to the boardroom…………. Steve………………"What in the hell happened this year ? "Oh never mind, my lying eye's must have deceived me…………( Security to the office)………………..Steve……………"Get him outta here………………Steve ………………"Say hello to my little friends"………………. Steve………………"Ayye Eric". ……….Pause……….. "You wantta Job" …………………..Eric…………………"Sure Steve"………………" Okay dinn", "You call me tomorrow"…………………..Eric………………."Thanks Steve"………………

I like the moves. It is beneficial to try out as many candidates as possible which is pro-rated. Looks like their finally listening. Ross's dismissal is a head scratcher because he did provide a spark in the return game aside from the fumble. I'd would have at least put him on the practice squad as a warning shot. Harbaugh's double standards should be addressed this off season. Vet's have made equal if not more mis cues then some of these rookies in key situations of any given game. To lay blame solely at the feet of the rookies is shameful. Most recruits that may be un-drafted (post draft) would/should factor that into their decision to accept an offer here or take their chances elsewhere. If it's me looking at his total impatience, I'm going elsewhere. The doghouse doesn't win loyalty or games. Tomlin looks like a mean SOB but his methods also seem quite different then Coachspeakers. Cutting players you really haven't developed before thrusting into the fire pit solidifies my thoughts that it you and your coaches failing them and not the other way around. Practice squad long periods for some and ax immediately for others. That's a bad look. No matter how you slice it. The Ravens have kept some of the same players (duds) on their practice for years. Back and forth, forth and back. I will say maybe this means they have seen the error of their ways and have seen the value of moving on from a slow developing prospect/project into realtime/need based developments and projects. If the cost of a Ross is any indication, then I'm all for it. If not then it's thinly vailed and self serving. And to be honest it kinda looks like they are making an attempt to save some of them dare jobs………Yah think.

Hopefully this means the Ravens move on from him as a non factor in respect to future acquisitions. Both FA and draft wise. It should be seen as a clear warning that he shouldn't be counted on to serve as the number #1 option at the position. Until he proves otherwise. Even then any injury to him may cause a gapping hole that would need attention if they see it differently. The pick that never happened. (Sort of). The scout dept. takes another hit and it's glaring as well. Vetting the intel/scouts info needs to much better scrutinized.

I'd say no and no by a long shot. if you signed off on the player acquisition, then I'd think they are coachable. It's mid season and theres no noticeable improvements from the team as a whole. I still have hope for some of the rookies. But the leaders on the field aren't showing up either.

I don't mind him Harbs calling them out but why stop there. Ross made his first mistake so get over it. Your doghouse is crowded already. More then half the team probably exist in there. Let them play and learn. Practice makes perfect. If Harbs shows no patience with someone like Ross then he needs a new job%u2026%u2026%u2026! And why would they shine for an angry dad. Don't be,at the players up publicly. Bad for business. I think that maybe one of the reasons why the league may not respect our organization. All the public discourse which should stay in house. Much as Terrell Owens ran his mouth and he didn't want to play for us. Stop crying and coach them up. Do your jobs coaches. This is garbage time to work on the fundamentals or at least it should be.

I concurrrrrrrrrr…………………….

I don't think it would do any harm if becomes more so involved in the decision making during the off season. Mandates for skilled players with a real skill set would seem to be prudent. Getting lackluster talent can only take you so far without corner stone players. Flacco, Doom, Smith sr and Suggs are all older players which can't be counted on to stay healthy and or lead. Hoarding picks is a waste of time and roster spots. If he told Ozzie what he anticipates during the offseason, it should light a few bulbs in that cranium. Ozzie should have left when he/we were on top. Now it looks like he's another Peyton as he doesn't know when to quit. His under-study should be given the reins in this years draft. I'd let Ozzie handle the FA period. And even then Steve should vet his selections and cost effectiveness. If you count the draft picks within the last 6 years there's a bunch who didn't make the cut in anyone's book.

Whatever. That's been the storyline thru-out the season. The team as it is sucks. I sure hoping the org doesn't use excuses during the draft. I'll reserve that for some of the fan base. Maturation hopefully rears its head during some point in this abysmal season. If it's an anomaly which I doubt then Ozzie and the fO office should be safe. But it's trending like it isn't. A change in draft strategy and or leadership should start because it's never been more apparent. The teams crying, the fans are are in shock, and I'm not buying anymore excuses. In a everyday world a ceo would be fired for such a poor performance with the shareholder citing the lack of dividends and profit margin in lieu of the investment and projections that were forecast. lol