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    Q would fill a huge need. Even if just for a year
    Webb could return punts and be secondary depth

    I would love to see us trade for Richardson. We already have a ton of talent on the dline though. I'm looking for PIerce, BWill, and Henry to start. Henry is a BA. Has the same rating on his NFL draft profile as Desean Watson

    Don't count out Carl Davis.... the kid looked great for the first half of his rookie year.... he hit a wall (like many rookies do) and then was injured last year. We know he has the talent and we know that he has a motor...

    He was lacking some strength and now this is going into his third year in the NFL... I am sure he has had plenty of opportunity to help prepare his body for the rigors of a 16 game NFL season. Watch for CD to have a very solid season!

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      1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

    I would love to see us trade for Richardson.

    We have a ton of talent - but we have the fewest draft picks in recent memory. Don't expect Ozzie to give up any of them in trades for players.

    Agreed.... in fact.... I really expect us to trade out of the number 16 spot... slide back and pick up an extra pick or two. There is enough talent and we have enough needs that it makes sense...

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      22 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

    If we draft Mike Williams/Corey Davis and could sign Boldin on top of that, we could have a decent receiving core with Mike Williams/Corey Davis, Boldin, Mike Wallace, and Perriman. But for all of that, l wouldn't mind drafting Derek Barnett if they want to go a pass rusher route. Lot's of ways it could go out. 👍

    If we use a first round pick on one of those guys, I highly doubt we would be interested in signing Boldin afterwards. Doesn't make much sense.

    Yep..... I really don't see us going WR in round 1. I believe that we are looking OT or OLB.... Ramczyk , Cam Robinson, Hasson Reddick, Takkarist McKinley...etc.

    I would be shocked if we went WR or RB in round 1. Not unhappy just shocked.

    I say not unhappy bc if we do go WR / RB that means we have signed one of 5 players
    Mike WIlliams
    John Ross
    Corey Davis
    Leonard Fournette
    Dalvin Cook

    and all are very talented play makers who can come in and make an impact in this offense now! So I would be unhappy

    I would be surprised however- surprised bc of how it would force our hand in rounds 2-5 and move us away from our mantra of best available player. We would have to begin to approach those rounds differently in order to fill holes.

    With that being said... I see us going OT / OLB in round 1
    (Unless Ozzie has something up his sleeve and I do believe that he is likely to trade back and acquire more picks in this stacked draft class!)

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    Love the Re-signing of Webb.... I think we needed to move forward with Jefferson as the starter but Webb has been great in the community and does provide quality depth at both S and CB... that is a big deal.

    Jimmy Smith
    TreDavious White (or another rookie CB)
    Brandon Carr
    Tavon Young
    M Cannaday

    Weddle
    Jefferson
    Webb
    Levine

    That is a pretty stacked Defensive backfield. Diverse and deep with a good mixture of youth and experience.

    My only wish to add onto this would be if we could somehow steal Sid Jones and stash him away for next year!

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      3 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

    or
    Round 1. Takkarist McKinley-OLB-UCLA
    Round 2. TreDavious White- CB-LSU
    Round 3. Sid Jones-CB- Wash
    Round 3. Ethan Pocic-C-LSU
    Round 4. De De Westbrook- WR-Okla
    Round 5. Stacy Coley- WR- Miami
    Round 6. Levon Myers- G/T- Northern Illinois

    We won't draft Dede Westbrook anywhere in the draft, Stacy Conley is a reach as is levon Myers - I also don't personally like pocic that much - he just seems too tall to be an effective center in the NFL 

    Westbrook is the most under rated WR in the draft this year and one of the most under rated players overall....Look at his production and his play making ability / not his 40 time and combine numbers. He could come here and start as our slot WR right now. TBH the thought of Westbrook working the slot with Perriman and Wallace taking the top off is a little exciting. Just curious why you are so sure that the Ravens will not draft him? (I personally think Westbrook reminds me a lot of SSS when he came out of Utah)!

    Pocic can play both C and G and most analysts have him rated as one of the top C in the draft and some even call him the top. Not sure they are thinking he is too tall . He seems to be exactly the type of guy that Greg Roman likes.... just curious why you don't like him?

    Coley can be a starting returner right now.... when you pick a WR in the 5th round of the draft... you are not expecting them to come in and start and he wouldn't (probably as a WR) but he has potential to develop into that. He is a very raw but explosive athlete and has good speed. He can be our starter in the return game now (something we have been missing for some time... so a dangerous starter in the return game with potential to become a productive slot WR in the NFL in the 5th round .... I wouldn't call that a reach but I am curious why you would.

    Myers is compared by CBS Sports to Rick Wagner and Kiper compared him to Villeneuva (sp) of the Steelers.... Both starters and Wagner just became one of the highest paid RT in the NFL. The knock on Myers is that he is slow. The Ravens would probably be looking at moving him inside and ALewis outside. Which would negate the biggest knock against him. He is described as a powerful grinder, who has a mean streak in the run game. Prisco, Kiper, CBS sports and more project him as a possible starter in the NFL...

    I wouldn't call that a reach in the 6th round? Just curious why you do? Remember that this is the 6th round... most 6th rounders don't even make the team.

    What is it about these guys that make them a reach that late in the draft?

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    I kind of like McKinley, but that shoulder problem that he has is pretty serious. I hate the idea of using a 1st round pick on a guy coming off of an injury requiring surgery and 5 months of rehab.

    I like McKinley....and really do not think that shoulder will be an issue, plus he will not need to come in and be the instant starter. We have Suggs and Judon and they can hold it down and we can work McKinley in at his pace.

    I also like Tim Williams -OLB -BAMMA who should be available to us in round # 2.

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      2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:
      3 hours ago, Space11jams said:

    We did not give up Timmy and two picks to get a third rd pick. From what I read yesterday we still get a comp pick for him when he signs a new deal. Eagles are taking on his contract so they don't get the comp pick because they didn't draft him I'm assuming. So we only gave up timmy and swapped picks to move up 25 spots.

    Boy I hope that you are right.... IDK but I am hoping that is true. I didn't hear that but that would make me feel a lot better about the deal.

    I seriously doubt that is the case, but if it is - I'm rooting for Timmy to have a monster season.

    Yep and Yep

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    We did not give up Timmy and two picks to get a third rd pick. From what I read yesterday we still get a comp pick for him when he signs a new deal. Eagles are taking on his contract so they don't get the comp pick because they didn't draft him I'm assuming. So we only gave up timmy and swapped picks to move up 25 spots.

    Boy I hope that you are right.... IDK but I am hoping that is true. I didn't hear that but that would make me feel a lot better about the deal.

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      2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:
      3 hours ago, usmccharles said:
      3 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

    hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

    So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it. 25 spots in a draft is a lot....

    25 spots in a draft is a lot depending on where it happens. If we moved up 25 spots in the 7th round... not such a big deal.... that guy probably will still not make the team.

    If we move up 25 spots in the 1st round.... that is giant. (even the 2nd) but the further back you get the less it mean.

    with that said. We gave up a starter, a third round pick and a future third or fourth round pick to move up 25 spots in the middle of the draft. I feel like that was a lot for what we gained

    If we moved up 25 spots and got a 4th rounder to cover the future comp pick.... I get it.

    If we moved up 25 spots and even got a future 5th rounder now for a potential 3rd of 4th then...okay..

    but to move up now... lose a player and a future player.... I don't feel like it was enough (and a 3rd or 4th rounder -should be a future player)

    We are losing a player at a position that we can replace. We have depth there and I don't know why everyone is thinking Jernigan was a superstar. He had his moments, but also completely disappeared from games and made boneheaded mistakes. Yeah we won't get a comp pick next year, that would range anywhere from the 3rd (doubtful) to the 4th or 5th, but we are moving up and gaining another pick inside the first 78 selections in a very talented draft class. 4 picks in the first 78? Yes please. We have guys that can replace Jernigan and we have needs at other places that can be filled by extremely talented rookies in this class.

    Could this backfire? Absolutely. But I like the chances of getting another quality player at a position that will be here for the next 4 or 5 years, instead of a player that will be here one more year and is replaceable. Moving up 25 spots in the 3rd round in this draft is a good move in my opinion. Especially since we have 2 picks within 4 selections of each other.

    I agree with everything you said but if we moved up 25 spots and got an additional 5th rounder .... I would have been all over this. Plus it was not that TJ was a superstar but I did feel that he had more value then what we got for him. I wasn't expecting a first round pick... just a chance to move up and a later pick... or him and our 3rd rounder for a 2nd rounder

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      2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:
      3 hours ago, usmccharles said:
      3 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

    hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

    So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it. 25 spots in a draft is a lot....

    25 spots in a draft is a lot depending on where it happens. If we moved up 25 spots in the 7th round... not such a big deal.... that guy probably will still not make the team.

    If we move up 25 spots in the 1st round.... that is giant. (even the 2nd) but the further back you get the less it mean.

    with that said. We gave up a starter, a third round pick and a future third or fourth round pick to move up 25 spots in the middle of the draft. I feel like that was a lot for what we gained

    If we moved up 25 spots and got a 4th rounder to cover the future comp pick.... I get it.

    If we moved up 25 spots and even got a future 5th rounder now for a potential 3rd of 4th then...okay..

    but to move up now... lose a player and a future player.... I don't feel like it was enough (and a 3rd or 4th rounder -should be a future player)

    I think Ozzie is going for Quality over Quantity.

    Agreed.... I just hope that the gamble pays off.... Risky

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      2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

    I agree.... I don't have a problem with the fact that we traded TJ
    A. We have a ton of young talent on the DL
    B. We would not sign him after this year
    C. He has been inconsistent
    D. We can get something for him.

    I do however also agree that we simply did not get enough!
    A. We could have received nearly the equivalent in a comp pick down the road
    B. We do lose his production for this season
    C. We traded a starter and a 3rd rounder (and a future 3rd or 4th round comp pick) for a higher 3rd round pick this year. That feels like an awful lot.
    D. Timmy was our most potent interior pass rusher and having already lost Doom and Guy.... I am a little surprised by this.... hope Kafusi can collapse the pocket.

    I get why we traded him and don't even have an issue with that.... I just don't feel like we got enough. If we would have traded Timmy and a 3rd rounder for a 3rd and a 5th... I would have been good.

    If we would have traded Timmy and a 4th for their 3rd and 5th.... cool.
    Even Timmy and our 3rd for their 2nd and 6th.... I am in...

    Just feel that we should have covered that comp pick and got more out of the deal. Does anyone know how much salary cap space this created? (I do wonder if this was a bigger factor then it seemed)????

    You just said my exact feelings so well. I am in 100% complete agreement with you. I don't mind the trade, I just think we should have gotten a little bit more. I guess that if the Ravens were to land Elflein and Sidney Jones with those 74th and 78th picks (in any order), I will feel much differently.

    If we take Sid Jones with that number 3 pick..... then I will say we won. LOL

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    hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

    As much as I disagree with he move... it bothers me bc I feel like it hurt the team. I am not going to be so upset with the team being hurt the I hope they suck.... that is silly. I don't agree with the move but I hope it works out, in spite of the fact that I think it was the wrong move.

    I am not wishing bad on the team... I am just not a fan of a move bc I am afraid that it may be bad....

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      1 hour ago, whobilly said:
      1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

    hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

    Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

    Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

    BC we are all on the same team. We are all Ravens fans.... If it were a Sqeeler fan making that statement.... don't waste my time

    But we have a common bond -

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      1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

    hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

    So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it. 25 spots in a draft is a lot....

    25 spots in a draft is a lot depending on where it happens. If we moved up 25 spots in the 7th round... not such a big deal.... that guy probably will still not make the team.

    If we move up 25 spots in the 1st round.... that is giant. (even the 2nd) but the further back you get the less it mean.

    with that said. We gave up a starter, a third round pick and a future third or fourth round pick to move up 25 spots in the middle of the draft. I feel like that was a lot for what we gained

    If we moved up 25 spots and got a 4th rounder to cover the future comp pick.... I get it.

    If we moved up 25 spots and even got a future 5th rounder now for a potential 3rd of 4th then...okay..

    but to move up now... lose a player and a future player.... I don't feel like it was enough (and a 3rd or 4th rounder -should be a future player)

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      40 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:
      1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:
      1 hour ago, whobilly said:
      1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

    hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

    Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

    Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

    no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

    What part of ''we weren't going to resign him'' don't you get? #1 he wasent even that good... #2 yea he was a 2rd draft so be it... your point? #3 saved us some money(even if its little) , its giving our young kids a chance(henry kafusi davis)which none of them played last year...and moved up 25 spots.. its like going from 4th to 3rd round (comp pick).. so I see it as a WIN WIN.. we could have kept him.. but what the benefit? getting comp pick for 2019?... just let OZ do what OZ does best and stop acting like you know whats best for the team...
    I cant believe half of you call yourselves RAVENS FANS but god forbid they make a move YOU personally don't agree with.. they are dumb and losing their touch?

    The only team happy with a TIE is the team that should have lost.
    The WIN / WIN thing is the equivalent to a TIE....

    The Eagles are bragging about getting a lot for giving up little..... and they should be. They are not calling it a win /win - they are saying that they won and we lost.

    We are saying a win / win.... bc we are hoping for the best knowing that we took the short end of that one...

    No issues with trading TJ.... every issue with not getting enough for him.

    BTW disagreeing with a Ravens move doesn't make you less of a fan - In fact, it is the intelligent fans who are not completely blinded by their fandom and can formulate their own opinions on their favorite teams moves. Ozzie makes mistakes too and to suggest that no one is allowed to question him bc they are not him, is silly. Ozzie has even admitted that he has missed on some.

    I remember a couple of years ago.... people complaining when we drafted Elam and ABrown... I personally was a fan of both... thought they would turn out okay... Those fans who disagreed were not horrible fans for questioning Ozzie on those moves... in fact they turned out to be intelligent fans...(they were right).

    This is an opinion board- it invites people to share their opinion - thats what makes this work... it doesn't mean they are less of a fan bc they have a different opinion then Ozzie. It just means that sometimes Ozzie is right and sometimes he is wrong (like all human beings) and opinion boards are the place to discuss if these decisions were the best for their team or not!

    My personal opinion is that we didn't get enough for Timmy... and that the Eagles got the better of this deal. It doesn't make me less of a fan because I wanted more for the Ravens.... but to just be okay with whatever happens and not want more ...may!

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    I agree.... I don't have a problem with the fact that we traded TJ
    A. We have a ton of young talent on the DL
    B. We would not sign him after this year
    C. He has been inconsistent
    D. We can get something for him.

    I do however also agree that we simply did not get enough!
    A. We could have received nearly the equivalent in a comp pick down the road
    B. We do lose his production for this season
    C. We traded a starter and a 3rd rounder (and a future 3rd or 4th round comp pick) for a higher 3rd round pick this year. That feels like an awful lot.
    D. Timmy was our most potent interior pass rusher and having already lost Doom and Guy.... I am a little surprised by this.... hope Kafusi can collapse the pocket.

    I get why we traded him and don't even have an issue with that.... I just don't feel like we got enough. If we would have traded Timmy and a 3rd rounder for a 3rd and a 5th... I would have been good.

    If we would have traded Timmy and a 4th for their 3rd and 5th.... cool.
    Even Timmy and our 3rd for their 2nd and 6th.... I am in...

    Just feel that we should have covered that comp pick and got more out of the deal. Does anyone know how much salary cap space this created? (I do wonder if this was a bigger factor then it seemed)????

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    4 picks in the 1st 80, No reason not to walk away with minimum 3 Starters of 4, and I would even say 4 starter caliber players w/ 4 top 80 picks.

    Preferably like this.
    Round 1- Franchise Pass Rusher Barnett,TakMcKinley,Harris,Etc

    Round 2- CB Tred.White,G.Conley, Kevin King, Tankersely,Tabor etc

    Round 3 2 picks Offense-Schuster,Westbrook,Dupree, Kupp, etc

    Round 4&5 OL Dan Skipper, McDermott, Zach Banner, Orlovsky

    Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

    Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

    Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

    Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

    Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

    Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

    Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

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    I would rate this as a very crafty and smart move, by Ozzie & Co.
    They now have 4 Selections, within the top 80 Picks
    Still have some very good and young talent on the D=Line !

    We do have talent on the DL but we lost a starter and a comp pick for the following year..... in order to move up 25 spots in the 3rd round? IDK if we move up 25 spots in the 2nd round or the 1st round ...... maybe different but I don't think I like this one.

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