steelcityraven

Round 2. (pass rushers) Tim WIlliams, Carl Lawson, Tyus Bowser
Round 3. (WR) Westbrook, JuJu, A. Dobrah, Josh Malone,
Round 3. (OL) Roderick Johnson, Antonio Garcia, Will Holden, Nico Siragusa
Round 4. (OL) Ethan Pocic, Zach Banner, Jermaine Eluemeunor
Round 5. (WR) KD Cannon, Isaiah Ford, Malachi Dupree, Speedy Knoll
Round 6. (ILB) Chase Allen, Ben Boulware, Hardy Nickerson

  2 hours ago, axisofeeble said:

  2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

I'm with Law215.  I love this pick. With Jimmy, Tavon, Carr and now Humphrey??? We have a great set of CB's. Add in Weddle, Jefferson, Webby, WOW.  We've got a secondary this year.

PASS RUSH? Suggs is 34 going on 50. NO ELVIS...Can't "cover" all day.

Judon KC Smith + late round pick Judon will be a starter next year why do you think we let Doom go and it won't take more than 5 seconds to get to the qb with our D-line don't matter who we have if they can't pass or run how can they score lol

Don't forget about Kafusi

There is still a ton of talent left for rounds two and three where we will grab three more picks.
WR. Chris Godwin -PSU
Curtis Samuel- Ohio State
Zay Jones- ECU
Ju Ju- USC
Cooper Kupp- Eastern Washington
JMalone- Tenn
A Darbroh- MIch

OL
Cam Robinson- Bamma
Forrest Lamp- Western Kentucky
Dion Dawkins- Temple
Taylor Morton - W Mich
Ethan Pocic - LSU
Zach Banner- USC
Roderick Johnson- FSU

Pass Rushers
Tim Williams- Bamma
Zach Cunningham- Vandy
D Walker- FSU
Carl Lawson- Auburn
Tyus Bowser- Houston
Jordan Willis- KState
Duke Riley- LSU
Ryan Anderson- Bamma
Jordan Evan- OKLA
Ejuan Price- Pitt

They don't count other guys like :
Dalvin Cook - RB- FSU
A Kamara- RB- Tenn
Sid Jones- CB -Wash
Fabian Moreau- CB- UCLA
Raekwon McMillian- ILB- Ohio State
Jalen Myrick- CB- Minn
The two Fla CBs

and so much more. I am excited to see who falls to us in round # 2 bc there are a lot of starters still out there.

Heck... I think I am even more excited about round # 3 and we have two picks there.

Still lots of fun to be had over this draft...

Ozzie's had plenty of bad 1st round picks, especially lately. But this is the worst ever.

Playing against the Sqeelers 2 x a year with Antonio Brown, Martavius Bryant and Ladarius Green... means we need cover guys

The Bengals have AJ Green, John Ross, Tyler Boyd, Eifert, etc

The Browns have Corey Coleman, Possible Josh Gordon Back, Gary Barnridge, Kenny Britt and the 1st round TE out of Miami they just drafted.

We better be able to cover in our division and Ozzie and Company seems to recognize that adding Weddle and Tavon Young last season, Jefferson, Carr ad Humphrey this season.

Remember that this draft is deep and we still have time to add to the OL, WR corps and pass rushers.

  5 hours ago, thecommish said:

in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

Sizzlingdoom....

I am not as ready to suggest that we don't have a single reliable TE.
I agree that we probably don't have a very complete TE (outside of Ben Watson but we don't know what he has left and how healthy he is)

We do have a sure handed TE in Pitta who should be a year healthier.
We do have a very good TE in Gilmore who can block and has shown the ability to move the chains. I am not ready to give up on him bc he was injured. (Gronk, Julius Thomas, Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham, Charles Clay, Vern Davis, and more have all missed significant playing time in their careers and many of them even last season. That don't mean that I wouldn't take any one of them)

Gilmore has shown that he has ability but got injured last season. That happens. Lets see if he is healthy and can take the next step. We have every reason to believe that he can.

Maxx has ability but his body was not NFL ready and he needed to add strength. He now has two seasons under his belt and his body has changed. I am not sure that I am quite ready to write him off yet either.

Waller... showed flashes of high end ability last season and flashes of why he may never live up to his potential... but changing positions is tough / doing it the NFL is crazy. The learning curve is steep and he does have a very high ceiling. This year should mean marked improvement for him as he has a year experience at the new position.

Boyle..... TBH he looked better then Gilmore but he is a risk bc of his PED use. If he can stay on the field... he has shown the ability to not just block but move the chains. He will fight for those tough yards and he brings an attitude to that offense. Problem is... with such a full house at TE will he really get a chance ( and without a move to Fullback or Hback- I don't think he will). Just too risky but not a bad player.

I think our biggest problem at TE is Joes reliance on the check down and his unwillingness stand in the pocket and go through his progressions. He wants to hurry up and dump the ball off to Pitta. (before Pitta even gets into his routes). This is a QB issue (and probably and OL issue) more then a TE issue.

We have weapons and versatility at TE. We have old guys with experience and young guys with ability We have question marks sure but we have depth and I would still rank our TE corps in the top 10 in the NFL.

If we are top ten in a position group (and very possibly higher) I not sure that Rd 1 is where you add to that group. Unless your team is stacked and has no other needs. That's not the case with the 2017 Ravens.

If Flacco is really worth $100,000,000, then we shouldn't need spend a 1st round pick on WR. The QB should be able to manipulate the receivers that he has. Just the fact that we are talking about going WR 1st round shows that there is desperation for a spark on offense. If anything I say go TE. 

Wait. so you are saying that we need a spark on offense and that Flacco is not good enough to do it without top notch WRs

so in your opinion we should draft a TE????

isn't that counter productive to your argument.

You are saying that Joe is not that good and not good enough to make average WRs look good. (he needs elite WRs).

so then you suggest that we draft a TE? Do you really think that OJ Howard would provide more of a spark for this offense then say Corey Davis? or Mike Wallace or John Ross?

If we have say Wallace - Perriman and Mike Williams or Corey Davis along with Pitta and Woodhead out of the back field wouldn't that provide more of a spark then say:

Wallace - Perriman ? with Oj Howard and Woodhead out of the backfield? ???????????/

I'm not saying this is a good or smart idea, but if Solomon Thomas fell to the Titans at 5, it'd be fun to see the Ravens make a move for him. I think whoever picks that kid up will be getting an absolute stud.

I don't know that we have the draft currency to move up? I think moving back is more realistic for us and I do think there are a few teams at the back end of round 1 who would love to slide up to 16 and have the currency to make that enticing for us.

  40 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

  2 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

If Flacco is really worth $100,000,000, then we shouldn't need spend a 1st round pick on WR. The QB should be able to manipulate the receivers that he has. Just the fact that we are talking about going WR 1st round shows that there is desperation for a spark on offense. If anything I say go TE. 

Yeah because we only have like 6 of those.... Pitta, Gilmore, Williams, Waller, Boyle, Watson.... Sometimes ya just gotta wonder about stuff.... I mean, really?

Well, in his defense, we're not really sure if any of those guys are any good or not at this point.

I think we know that Pitta is good enough. Gilmore is good enough. I don't believe that we are ready to close the door on Maxx or even Waller yet.

Drafting Howard would force our hand to close the door on some of those guys and not even sure what that would mean for Pitta?

I do know that we have too many other needs in a tight cap to load up more at a position that is at minimum one of the top 10 player groups in the NFL. (there are not 10 teams in the NFL that can boast a better TE corps then us).

With that said... it would not be prudent in the cap era to invest that top pick there.

I would be utterly shocked (and disappointed) if we did.

IMO we do not need an edge rusher in the 1st or 2nd round. We got Judon in the 5th last year and that turned out ok. Go Offensive Line, Receiver or CB in the 1st 3 rounds IF the flow of the draft allows us to. Edge rushers will be there later ...

We think Judon is okay and even if he does turn out. We have Suggs close to retirement. Elvis is gone. Our system is build upon our ability to get pressure on opposing QBs.

We need a player maker at OLB.
1. Reddick (round 1)
2.. Charels Harris (1)
3. Takkarist McKinley (2)
4. Barnett (2)
5. Tim Williams (2)
6. Cunningham (2)
7. Carl Lawson (2)
8. Taco Charlton (2)
9. Tyus Bowser (2)
10 Duke Riley (2)
11. Jordan Willis (2)
12. The kid out of Ohio University (can think of his name)

That don't even count Myles Garret and Solomon Thomas but there are literally a dozed or so legit pass rushes who would be available to us in the first two rounds this year.

The pass rushers through rounds 3-4 drop way off talent wise or come with a lot of baggage like :

1. Devonte Fields- OLB- Louisville
2. Jordan Evans -OLB- Okla (who I really like and think he will be available in rounds 4 or possibly even round 5 but he doesn't play up to his ability sometimes and his motor is the question.
3. Ryan Anderson -OLB from Bamma
4. Vince Beigel- OLB- Wisc
5. Carroll Phillips -OLB- ILL (under sized)
6. The DE kid from Villanova (however you say his name)
7. Ejuan Price -OLB - PItt (under sized)
8 Evan Schwan -DE- Penn State

While Fields- Evans- and Price could be late round steals they are clearly a higher risk. Fields bc of his off the field issues. Evans bc of his under achieving, motor questions and Price bc of his size.

With all that said. Mr. Biscotti has been asking for pass rushers for two years now. With this draft so deep in pass rushing talent.... I don't see us waiting past round 2 to snag a pass rusher. Especially when we remember Suggs age - health - etc.

I would NOT be surprised if we double dipped and grabbed a pass rusher in list 1 in the first two rounds and then again in the later (5th or 6th round). But I think the players available later come with too much of a risk when considering the talent pool of the pass rushers projected early.

When the owner calls for pass rushers I think we will go after pass rushers and go after them early.

If everything fell right for us:

1. Hasson Reddicak- OLB- Temple
2. Jabrill Peppers- S- Mich (dilute sample may drive stock down?)
3. Ju Ju Smith Schuster- WR- USC
3. Anotonio Garcia-T- Troy (it would make that trade worth it)
4. Howard Wilson- CB- Utah
5. Jordan Evans -OLB- Okla (under rated_
6. Ben Braden- G- Mich

"When Hensley was on the clock, top receivers Mike Williams and Corey Davis were available. Pass rushers Charles Harris, Taco Charlton and T.J. Watt were still on the board. All of the offensive linemen were still up for grabs."

So he could have traded down 7 or 8 spots and still got one of those guys (or others, I'm sure). So he deserved the raspberries.

Do we take Reuben Foster if he falls to us?

I think Reuben would be difficult to pass on. I also think that is true about Corey Davis and Mike Williams. (Hasson Reddick, Peppers, and others would be equally hard to pass on)

Reddick would potentially add a lot of versatility. He can play ILB or rush the QB. If KC doesn't come around that is a big deal.

Peppers can play ILB and bring athleticism to the middle of our defense that gives a DC a lot of freedom. He could also be that S who replaces Weddle in a few years. Again his athleticism would give Dean Pees so many options.

Corey Davis and Mike Williams would compliment the speed of Perriman and Wallace nicely. The have great hands and body control. They really can transform our offense quickly. Hard to pass on a player that can have that type of impact

but if we cannot keep Joe protected.... I think it is all for nothing!
I really expect us to go after a OL in round 1. I hope not when I see guys like Roderick Johnson, Taylor Morton, Will Holden, Siragusa, Banner, Dawkins, Garcia, Sharpe, Deilman and others who will be available in rounds 2-4.

Even my fiercestr enemies couldn't accuse me of agreeing with everything Hanseley says - but taking an ofensive tackle in round 1 would IMHO be the best case scenario.

That said, if this many potential first round picks are still on the board at #16, we all know Ozzie will trade down.

Agreed 100%
1st on the fact that it would be hard to pass on Robinson, Bolles, or Ramczyk. I also believe that we would trade back if there is that run on QBs ect that they experts are calling for.

On another note... I really like Roderick Johnson -T- FSU.... he may have a higher ceiling then some of the 1st round names that were mentioned but needs coached up.

We pride ourselves on developing players and Greg Roman is known for developing OLmen. Roderick Johnson maybe a steal in round 3 where we have two picks.

  1 hour ago, JD08 said:

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Well we have like 10 offensive lineman on the roster also... does that mean we shouldn't take one of them?

We have quantity. What we're not sure of is if we have quality. That applies to a lot of positions on this team right now.

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

I agree with most of what you said, good comments.
You know my 2 additions , it could be a trade up or trade back kind of year.
Trade up for Fournette- which I know you absolutely do not agree with
Trade down take Robinson- which you seem to leave out of your equations.

who do you think the pick would be with a trade back and how far down do you think Oz would go?

All that said; Davis is my first guess at 16, I would agree most ratings at 15 and above look to be a player that the Ravens would take except the QB's.

I think if next listed order players are Ramczyk, Ross, Humphrey, Bolles, Tim williams, Peppers and Robinson the ones left on the board the Ravens trade down. I'm not sure Foster is in the list.
man anything can happen,

I really like Cam Robinson and the thought of him playing opposite Stanley for several years (with Yanda and Alex Lewis) would have me really excited about out future... So...while I left him out I am not against it.

I agree that Davis at 16 is most likely.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading back to late first or even early second (depends on what we could get in return) and grabbing Takkarist McKinley or Tim Williams with our first pick and loading up in the middle rounds

I really like Lamp too... and he may be a better fit then Robinson bc he don't have the off the field issues. Lamp can play G and we can slide A Lewis out to T or he can even play C and he is a mauler.

I would love to see us trade back and take Peppers also.... (I especially do not want to see Jabrill in a sqeelers uniform)

Finally I Love the thought of Reuben Foster but I kinda feel like that would be sending a statement that we have truly given up on KC. (not sure that the organization is ready to do that just yet?

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  2 hours ago, billiejean said:

The other option would be to trade back but we would most likely have to give up a few early rounders to move up and get Fournette. I also don't think drafting him will automatically make our offense elite.

I believe it will for 2 fundamental reasons. First Fournette is a beast that can plough through defenses a la Peterson. And second, it'll afford Joe the opportunity to just hand the ball over to him in short yardage situations knowing a first down is a likely outcome and will help Joe realize his potential in the play action game. Joe can be deadly with Fournette in tow imo.

Could be the only player the Ravens might trade up for, we have been discussing this on other threads. Many don't agree with the trade at 7- 11. But I cannot see him dropping that ow. So could the Ravens make a play, it would be costly and probably too costly, but at 7 I would make a call and try. I'm with you, but its risky and outside the box. Jacket will tell you

I think Cook will be the better NFL back? but that just me

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

If we trade back ... O-lineman here we come.

Yep.... I expect to get at least two OLmen in this draft.... I think if we trade back that makes our quest to beef up the OL easier and still allows us to hit an edge rusher, a WR and a CB

  19 minutes ago, axisofeeble said:

"If"-If- Browns would part with 12 & 64 for Joe Flacco we should pull the trigger. Sign Kapernick and fix offense&defense through 9 draft picks, 6 WR,LB,WR,CB all before 77th pick. Even Cutler could be stop gap for a year or two.

Not happening. Kapernick is yesterdays news and Cutler has proven he is worthless.

Kappernick got ran out of SF and Cutler got ran out of Chicago. They are clearly not franchise QBs why would we want to give up our franchise QBs for players who are not?

And why would we want to give them up to a team who we play 2x per year?

Finally who was the last team without a franchise QB to win a super bowl.... Probably the Ravens with Trent Dilfer... but the game has changed quite a bit since then and has become a passing league. Hard to win without a franchise QB.... joe is a franchise QB who has proven that we can win the Lombardi trophy with him!

I'm quite sure both Mike Williams and Corey Davis will be off the board at #16.

We should have a ton of options at #16! Realistically I really do believe we will trade back as a result (unless there is a specific player that we are targeting and they fall to us i.e. Corey Davis, Mike Williams, Reuben Foster, Hasson Reddick, etc)

I just think there are some many quality players that trading back to the end of rd 1 is realistic for a guy like Ozzie who wants to build through the draft.

  26 minutes ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

1. Corey Davis- WR- Western Michigan
2. Takkarist McKinley-OLB- UCLA
3. Roderick Johnson -T FSU
3. Cam Sutton- CB- Tenn
or Jalen Myrick- CB- Minn (I like Myrick better)
4. Zach Banner- G./ T- USC
5. Ben Gedeon-ILB- MIch
6. Noah Brown- WR- Ohio State

  5 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

3 days left.. I cant wait.

3 days remaining dream draft
Rnd 1- Barnett DE/OLBrs
Rnd 2- Reuben Foster ilbr
Rnd 3- Smith Schuster WR, CB Tankersely
Rnd 4-Dawkins OL
Rnd 5- Jalen Myrick CB
Rnd 6- Zach Banner OL

It's gonna stay a dream. Barnett is possible, and its possible to end up with a cpl of the guys you mention, but.....

Foster isnt dropping much if at all, and especially not to the 2nd round. Even if he did (he wont) Hue Jackson wouldnt let him get past 33. And theres probably 13 other teams that wouldnt either.

JuJu might be around 3rd and i bet Tankersley will, but Juju could be gone 2nd and Tank sucks.

Dawkins is going 2nd round. We might not even have a shot at 47. Though id be very happy with him there.

Myrick and Banner might be ok.

So, choose one of Barnett/Foster.... though my guess is we'll be lucky to have even 1 of them fall to us. Both might be long gone.

And you prob have to pick one of JuJu or Dawkins. Though there is an outside chance JuJu falls to the 3rd so its prob ok to project that in a dream scenario.

And if Tank's your dream in the 3rd - get a new dream. Prob would say the same for Myrick and Banner - but to each their own.

I really like Myrick. I think he is very under rated bc he player CB in the big 10 but watch some of the tape on him.... the kid is the real deal.

Tankersly has the athletic ability but he does seem to have a little more trouble tracking the ball and transitioning. He seems like more of a project then Myrick to me

If Banner is there in the 6th he is a steal. In the 5th he is worth a chance and has more ability then Hurst.... but I don't think he is worth a 4th round pick (unless we really feel that he has the raw potential for Greg Roman to turn him into a gem)

  2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

If we don't trade back

1. Corey Davis- WR- Western Mich
2. Tim Williams - OLB- Bamma
3. Ju Ju Smith -WR- Schuster
3. Jalen Myrick-CB- Minn
or Cam Sutton- CB- Tenn
4. Ethan Pocic- C- LSU
5. Zach Banner- C/T USC
6. Ben Gedeon- ILB- Mich

That would be a reasonabl draft - but I'm afraid Schuster at #74 and Pocic in the fourth round may be too optimistic.

Do you think he will go higher or do you think that drafting Pocic in the 4th is too soon?

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

If we don't trade back

1. Corey Davis- WR- Western Mich
2. Tim Williams - OLB- Bamma
3. Ju Ju Smith -WR- Schuster
3. Jalen Myrick-CB- Minn
or Cam Sutton- CB- Tenn
4. Ethan Pocic- C- LSU
5. Zach Banner- C/T USC
6. Ben Gedeon- ILB- Mich

That would be a reasonabl draft - but I'm afraid Schuster at #74 and Pocic in the fourth round may be too optimistic.

I don't think Pocic in the 4th is that big of a strech

A lot of people are calling for Schuster early (and I think you are probably right) but most of the pundits are calling for him in the 3rd and even 4th round????

Wonder if there is something about him that we are not aware of????

  2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

If we don't trade back

1. Corey Davis- WR- Western Mich
2. Tim Williams - OLB- Bamma
3. Ju Ju Smith -WR- Schuster
3. Jalen Myrick-CB- Minn
or Cam Sutton- CB- Tenn
4. Ethan Pocic- C- LSU
5. Zach Banner- C/T USC
6. Ben Gedeon- ILB- Mich

I'm all in on these first 3 picks (don't know a lot about the rest, Pocic aside). Not sure we'd go with 2 WR's with the first 2 picks but stranger things have happened.

I agree if we go Corey Davis in round 1... I believe that we are more likely to go after Will Holdin -T- Vandy or a Nicco Siragusa -G- or some other big OL in round 3 (which would change the later round picks)

But I did add two WRs bc we haven't had great weapons on offense and this could stock the warehouse.

1. Mike Wallace
2. Perriman
3. Chris Moore
4. Corey Davis
5. Ju Ju
6. Campanaro

RBs
1. Woodhead
2. West
3. Dixon

TEs
1. Watson
2. Pitta
3. Gilmore
4. Maxx
5. Waller

That is more offensive weapons than I have ever seen in BMORE... and may set us up for a long time to come on Offense.

I think you are right... don't see us going after two WRs that soon but if both are there.... We can add OL depth in the later rounds.
(especially if we really believe that Jensen or Urschel can handle the load)
Then we can draft a Pocic or a Banner in the later rounds (maybe even a Siragusa) and Slide Alex Lewis out to Wagners spot.

IDK.... obviously I am simply excited with the possibilities that I see in this draft... this is the most excited that I have been going into a draft in a long time.

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Three 3rd rounder would be nice. Trading back is tempting; A trade back could still look something like this.

1. Jabrill Peppers-S/LB- MICH
2. Tim Williams- OLB- Bamma
3. Jalen Myrick- CB- Minn
3. Will Holden- T- Vandy
3. Ju Ju-Smith-Schuster- WR- USC
4. Ethan Pocic- C- LSU
5. Noah Brown- WR- Ohio State
6. Chase Allen- ILB- Southern Illinois

Or
1. Dalvin Cook- RB- FSU
2. Reuben Foster- ILB- Bamma
3. Cooper Kupp-WR-Eastern Washington
3. Nicco Siragusa- G- SDST
3. Cam Sutton- CB- Tenn
4. Zach Banner - G/T- USC
5. Ejuan Price- OLB- Pitt
6. Noah Brown- WR- Ohio State

just reported that he had a diluted urine sample.  So basically he failed his drug test, what impact it'll have nobody knows!!

I saw that too and I am not sure what that means either. A diluted sample clearly does not carry the same stigma as a failed sample. We may all know it or believe it to be the same but it is a blurred line.

I know this... I really don't want to pass on Peppers and have the Sqeelers pick him up a few picks later.

I can see them grabbing him and he is so versatile he can add depth at S for us but more importantly he can play ILB and cover these freak TE's in the league now (something that CJ struggles with a little)

Plus the thought of CJ and Peppers playing beside each other with their athleticism and skill sets... that should be a scary defense who can cover side line to side line and who can offer an array of blitz packages and coverage's that is rare even in the NFL