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Round 2. (pass rushers) Tim WIlliams, Carl Lawson, Tyus Bowser Round 3. (WR) Westbrook, JuJu, A. Dobrah, Josh Malone, Round 3. (OL) Roderick Johnson, Antonio Garcia, Will Holden, Nico Siragusa Round 4. (OL) Ethan Pocic, Zach Banner, Jermaine Eluemeunor Round 5. (WR) KD Cannon, Isaiah Ford, Malachi Dupree, Speedy Knoll Round 6. (ILB) Chase Allen, Ben Boulware, Hardy Nickerson

PASS RUSH? Suggs is 34 going on 50. NO ELVIS...Can't "cover" all day. Judon KC Smith + late round pick Judon will be a starter next year why do you think we let Doom go and it won't take more than 5 seconds to get to the qb with our D-line don't matter who we have if they can't pass or run how can they score lol Don't forget about Kafusi

There is still a ton of talent left for rounds two and three where we will grab three more picks. WR. Chris Godwin -PSU Curtis Samuel- Ohio State Zay Jones- ECU Ju Ju- USC Cooper Kupp- Eastern Washington JMalone- Tenn A Darbroh- MIch OL Cam Robinson- Bamma Forrest Lamp- Western Kentucky Dion Dawkins- Temple Taylor Morton - W Mich Ethan Pocic - LSU Zach Banner- USC Roderick Johnson- FSU Pass Rushers Tim Williams- Bamma Zach Cunningham- Vandy D Walker- FSU Carl Lawson- Auburn Tyus Bowser- Houston Jordan Willis- KState Duke Riley- LSU Ryan Anderson- Bamma Jordan Evan- OKLA Ejuan Price- Pitt They don't count other guys like : Dalvin Cook - RB- FSU A Kamara- RB- Tenn Sid Jones- CB -Wash Fabian Moreau- CB- UCLA Raekwon McMillian- ILB- Ohio State Jalen Myrick- CB- Minn The two Fla CBs and so much more. I am excited to see who falls to us in round # 2 bc there are a lot of starters still out there. Heck... I think I am even more excited about round # 3 and we have two picks there. Still lots of fun to be had over this draft...

Playing against the Sqeelers 2 x a year with Antonio Brown, Martavius Bryant and Ladarius Green... means we need cover guys The Bengals have AJ Green, John Ross, Tyler Boyd, Eifert, etc The Browns have Corey Coleman, Possible Josh Gordon Back, Gary Barnridge, Kenny Britt and the 1st round TE out of Miami they just drafted. We better be able to cover in our division and Ozzie and Company seems to recognize that adding Weddle and Tavon Young last season, Jefferson, Carr ad Humphrey this season. Remember that this draft is deep and we still have time to add to the OL, WR corps and pass rushers.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch? -Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field. -Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........ -And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone - And Waller is nothing And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable. Sizzlingdoom.... I am not as ready to suggest that we don't have a single reliable TE. I agree that we probably don't have a very complete TE (outside of Ben Watson but we don't know what he has left and how healthy he is) We do have a sure handed TE in Pitta who should be a year healthier. We do have a very good TE in Gilmore who can block and has shown the ability to move the chains. I am not ready to give up on him bc he was injured. (Gronk, Julius Thomas, Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham, Charles Clay, Vern Davis, and more have all missed significant playing time in their careers and many of them even last season. That don't mean that I wouldn't take any one of them) Gilmore has shown that he has ability but got injured last season. That happens. Lets see if he is healthy and can take the next step. We have every reason to believe that he can. Maxx has ability but his body was not NFL ready and he needed to add strength. He now has two seasons under his belt and his body has changed. I am not sure that I am quite ready to write him off yet either. Waller... showed flashes of high end ability last season and flashes of why he may never live up to his potential... but changing positions is tough / doing it the NFL is crazy. The learning curve is steep and he does have a very high ceiling. This year should mean marked improvement for him as he has a year experience at the new position. Boyle..... TBH he looked better then Gilmore but he is a risk bc of his PED use. If he can stay on the field... he has shown the ability to not just block but move the chains. He will fight for those tough yards and he brings an attitude to that offense. Problem is... with such a full house at TE will he really get a chance ( and without a move to Fullback or Hback- I don't think he will). Just too risky but not a bad player. I think our biggest problem at TE is Joes reliance on the check down and his unwillingness stand in the pocket and go through his progressions. He wants to hurry up and dump the ball off to Pitta. (before Pitta even gets into his routes). This is a QB issue (and probably and OL issue) more then a TE issue. We have weapons and versatility at TE. We have old guys with experience and young guys with ability We have question marks sure but we have depth and I would still rank our TE corps in the top 10 in the NFL. If we are top ten in a position group (and very possibly higher) I not sure that Rd 1 is where you add to that group. Unless your team is stacked and has no other needs. That's not the case with the 2017 Ravens.

Wait. so you are saying that we need a spark on offense and that Flacco is not good enough to do it without top notch WRs so in your opinion we should draft a TE???? isn't that counter productive to your argument. You are saying that Joe is not that good and not good enough to make average WRs look good. (he needs elite WRs). so then you suggest that we draft a TE? Do you really think that OJ Howard would provide more of a spark for this offense then say Corey Davis? or Mike Wallace or John Ross? If we have say Wallace - Perriman and Mike Williams or Corey Davis along with Pitta and Woodhead out of the back field wouldn't that provide more of a spark then say: Wallace - Perriman ? with Oj Howard and Woodhead out of the backfield? ???????????/

I don't know that we have the draft currency to move up? I think moving back is more realistic for us and I do think there are a few teams at the back end of round 1 who would love to slide up to 16 and have the currency to make that enticing for us.

Yeah because we only have like 6 of those.... Pitta, Gilmore, Williams, Waller, Boyle, Watson.... Sometimes ya just gotta wonder about stuff.... I mean, really? Well, in his defense, we're not really sure if any of those guys are any good or not at this point. I think we know that Pitta is good enough. Gilmore is good enough. I don't believe that we are ready to close the door on Maxx or even Waller yet. Drafting Howard would force our hand to close the door on some of those guys and not even sure what that would mean for Pitta? I do know that we have too many other needs in a tight cap to load up more at a position that is at minimum one of the top 10 player groups in the NFL. (there are not 10 teams in the NFL that can boast a better TE corps then us). With that said... it would not be prudent in the cap era to invest that top pick there. I would be utterly shocked (and disappointed) if we did.

We think Judon is okay and even if he does turn out. We have Suggs close to retirement. Elvis is gone. Our system is build upon our ability to get pressure on opposing QBs. We need a player maker at OLB. 1. Reddick (round 1) 2.. Charels Harris (1) 3. Takkarist McKinley (2) 4. Barnett (2) 5. Tim Williams (2) 6. Cunningham (2) 7. Carl Lawson (2) 8. Taco Charlton (2) 9. Tyus Bowser (2) 10 Duke Riley (2) 11. Jordan Willis (2) 12. The kid out of Ohio University (can think of his name) That don't even count Myles Garret and Solomon Thomas but there are literally a dozed or so legit pass rushes who would be available to us in the first two rounds this year. The pass rushers through rounds 3-4 drop way off talent wise or come with a lot of baggage like : 1. Devonte Fields- OLB- Louisville 2. Jordan Evans -OLB- Okla (who I really like and think he will be available in rounds 4 or possibly even round 5 but he doesn't play up to his ability sometimes and his motor is the question. 3. Ryan Anderson -OLB from Bamma 4. Vince Beigel- OLB- Wisc 5. Carroll Phillips -OLB- ILL (under sized) 6. The DE kid from Villanova (however you say his name) 7. Ejuan Price -OLB - PItt (under sized) 8 Evan Schwan -DE- Penn State While Fields- Evans- and Price could be late round steals they are clearly a higher risk. Fields bc of his off the field issues. Evans bc of his under achieving, motor questions and Price bc of his size. With all that said. Mr. Biscotti has been asking for pass rushers for two years now. With this draft so deep in pass rushing talent.... I don't see us waiting past round 2 to snag a pass rusher. Especially when we remember Suggs age - health - etc. I would NOT be surprised if we double dipped and grabbed a pass rusher in list 1 in the first two rounds and then again in the later (5th or 6th round). But I think the players available later come with too much of a risk when considering the talent pool of the pass rushers projected early. When the owner calls for pass rushers I think we will go after pass rushers and go after them early.

If everything fell right for us: 1. Hasson Reddicak- OLB- Temple 2. Jabrill Peppers- S- Mich (dilute sample may drive stock down?) 3. Ju Ju Smith Schuster- WR- USC 3. Anotonio Garcia-T- Troy (it would make that trade worth it) 4. Howard Wilson- CB- Utah 5. Jordan Evans -OLB- Okla (under rated_ 6. Ben Braden- G- Mich

I think Reuben would be difficult to pass on. I also think that is true about Corey Davis and Mike Williams. (Hasson Reddick, Peppers, and others would be equally hard to pass on) Reddick would potentially add a lot of versatility. He can play ILB or rush the QB. If KC doesn't come around that is a big deal. Peppers can play ILB and bring athleticism to the middle of our defense that gives a DC a lot of freedom. He could also be that S who replaces Weddle in a few years. Again his athleticism would give Dean Pees so many options. Corey Davis and Mike Williams would compliment the speed of Perriman and Wallace nicely. The have great hands and body control. They really can transform our offense quickly. Hard to pass on a player that can have that type of impact but if we cannot keep Joe protected.... I think it is all for nothing! I really expect us to go after a OL in round 1. I hope not when I see guys like Roderick Johnson, Taylor Morton, Will Holden, Siragusa, Banner, Dawkins, Garcia, Sharpe, Deilman and others who will be available in rounds 2-4.

Agreed 100% 1st on the fact that it would be hard to pass on Robinson, Bolles, or Ramczyk. I also believe that we would trade back if there is that run on QBs ect that they experts are calling for. On another note... I really like Roderick Johnson -T- FSU.... he may have a higher ceiling then some of the 1st round names that were mentioned but needs coached up. We pride ourselves on developing players and Greg Roman is known for developing OLmen. Roderick Johnson maybe a steal in round 3 where we have two picks.

Well we have like 10 offensive lineman on the roster also... does that mean we shouldn't take one of them? We have quantity. What we're not sure of is if we have quality. That applies to a lot of positions on this team right now. I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE. Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability. I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point. (unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing. 2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label. 3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade. If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie. We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future. You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender. I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future! I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year. I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft. I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you) i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways. The problem with this draft is... this: Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc. So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more. I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW) Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back) I agree with most of what you said, good comments. You know my 2 additions , it could be a trade up or trade back kind of year. Trade up for Fournette- which I know you absolutely do not agree with Trade down take Robinson- which you seem to leave out of your equations. who do you think the pick would be with a trade back and how far down do you think Oz would go? All that said; Davis is my first guess at 16, I would agree most ratings at 15 and above look to be a player that the Ravens would take except the QB's. I think if next listed order players are Ramczyk, Ross, Humphrey, Bolles, Tim williams, Peppers and Robinson the ones left on the board the Ravens trade down. I'm not sure Foster is in the list. man anything can happen, I really like Cam Robinson and the thought of him playing opposite Stanley for several years (with Yanda and Alex Lewis) would have me really excited about out future... So...while I left him out I am not against it. I agree that Davis at 16 is most likely. I wouldn't be opposed to trading back to late first or even early second (depends on what we could get in return) and grabbing Takkarist McKinley or Tim Williams with our first pick and loading up in the middle rounds I really like Lamp too... and he may be a better fit then Robinson bc he don't have the off the field issues. Lamp can play G and we can slide A Lewis out to T or he can even play C and he is a mauler. I would love to see us trade back and take Peppers also.... (I especially do not want to see Jabrill in a sqeelers uniform) Finally I Love the thought of Reuben Foster but I kinda feel like that would be sending a statement that we have truly given up on KC. (not sure that the organization is ready to do that just yet?

I believe it will for 2 fundamental reasons. First Fournette is a beast that can plough through defenses a la Peterson. And second, it'll afford Joe the opportunity to just hand the ball over to him in short yardage situations knowing a first down is a likely outcome and will help Joe realize his potential in the play action game. Joe can be deadly with Fournette in tow imo. Could be the only player the Ravens might trade up for, we have been discussing this on other threads. Many don't agree with the trade at 7- 11. But I cannot see him dropping that ow. So could the Ravens make a play, it would be costly and probably too costly, but at 7 I would make a call and try. I'm with you, but its risky and outside the box. Jacket will tell you I think Cook will be the better NFL back? but that just me