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Some of this is factually incorrect. Philip Rivers never looked that good under Cameron, never breaking 4,000 yards or 30 touchdowns until he left. Same with Drew Brees. Antonio Gates was good under Cameron, but he had his best season without Cameron. Vincent Jackson never broke 1,000 yards under Cameron, but once he left, he had some of his best seasons, and really came alive in Tampa Bay. LaDanian Tomlinson, yeah, he was good under Cameron, but we saw with Rice that Cameron can do well with running backs. Even though Tomlinson was good the year before Cameron and was a top five pick, but we'll give Cameron credit for Tomlinson.

The thing about Slaton was that he was injured the next season and also had fumbling issues. He also lost short yardage duties in preseason. Despite not being the best runner that season, he was actually a really good receiver, showing Shanahan can get the most out of his players if they aren't excelling in one area.

RGIII was dealing with a knee injury and couldn't run the read option. I won't get into how much the read option did for him, but trust me when I say it made life so easy for him. Still, despite not being able to run the read option, the Redskins finished ninth in total yards. 

Sure, some of it comes down to talent, but when a guy like Alfred Morris comes from the sixth round to be a top three rusher in the NFL, you have to give credit to the coordinator. We'll see next season how much of it was Shanahan and how much was just talent.

Joe can make all of the throws, and he has shown that, especially earlier this year when Torrey was running lots of crossing and short routes. It's very hard to look accurate when your receivers can't get open so you have to put it in awkward windows to try to complete the throw. Get the receivers open and we'll see Joe make all of the throws. Like I said, RGIII isn't that accurate, but he looked like the second coming of Jesus under Shanahan when he could run the read option.

It was never just between Kirby and Hostler, and with Hostler not having the job yet, it would likely have been between Kirby and Shanahan, but with Kirby out, it's likely Shanahan.

 

good god, press enter every now and then, that is just a wall of text haha.

What is factually incorrect about pro bowlers and stars? Vincent Jackson is a star now and broke out in 2006. Rivers, Gates, Tomlinson LITERALLY went to the pro bowl under Cameron....I think Cameron was actually the OC for the pro bowl that year, maybe im wrong on that one, might of been the Patriots OC at the time.

I might be wrong but it sounds like you are being sarcastic about Cameron "making LT". If so you are contradicting yourself. You say that Tomlinson was a top 5 pick but let's give credit to Cameron and you praise what Shanahan did with the number 2 pick in the 2012 draft lol I hope that's not what I am reading!

I disagree with your assessment of Joe's accuracy. I don't know if he can consistently put the ball where it needs to be. I think 2010 was his best season and that is when he had Jim Zorn as his QB coach. We need a guy like that to work with Joe.

We will see who Harbs goes with, either way, I don't see us being a west coast offense. If they go with Kyle Shanahan, they will definitely need to rehaul the offensive line and see who can do ZBS and who absolutely cannot.

Well with Kirby out, no news on Linehan, sounds like it is just down to Hostler and Shanahan...Hopefully, I am wrong about them both...either way, we need a QB coach for Flacco

 

 

Joe is plenty accurate, but the receivers we have seem to be plenty poor at getting open on those routes. The deep ball works because Torrey Smith can just outrun everyone. Get a coordinator who can scheme the receivers open and we'll be good.

Oh, he had a bad relationship with an extremely old quarterback who couldn't do anything in his short tenure with the Redskins? Okay, that's what should be the problem. He also was working for one of the most  organizations in the league, so I'm not sure anyone was really happy in Washington.

He turned Steve Slaton (heard of him since?) into a 1000 yard rusher, Matt Schaub into the NFL's leading passer, Alfred Morris into a 1000 yard rusher, and RGIII into the second coming of Jesus. Do you realize how inaccurate RGIII is? He looked amazing in the west coast offense because Kyle knows how to scheme players open. He has consistently had offenses rank in the top 10, including last year when RGIII was hobbled and could no longer run the read option to its full extent.

I don't know why you wouldn't want him. He's a good coach who knows how to scheme his players open and build an offense around the quarterback. The fact that he had Schaub, Slaton, RGIII, and Alfred Morris looking like Pro Bowlers/All-Pros should be enough for you. Hell, even Jordan Reed was looking like a viable weapon, which should give you a lot of hope for Dennis Pitta.

I don't know what coach doesn't have a bit of an ego. He is the youngest ever offensive coordinator in the NFL, and it wasn't even close. I think that would make you a little bit confident, or a lot. It doesn't bother me because he does some of the best work in the NFL, and he'd be in a very strong organization.

Let me ask you, how did the players feel about him in Houston? I hear all this bad stuff from Washington, but nothing about his tenure in Houston. Please, find me some links for that. I've also seen plenty of links from his tenure in Washington where players voiced their love for his ability to scheme the offense open. 

Edit: I find it amusing that you talk about Josh McDaniels having his ego kept in check because he works under Belichick. So, now Harbaugh and company are slouch coaches and execs that are just going to let everything go? Ha, yeah, right. Also, maybe he does rub Joe a little bit like Todd Hailey rubs Ben Roethlisberger, but in case you haven't noticed, Roethlisberger actually has warmed up to Todd Hailey and the offense really started clicking toward the end of the season. It's just that offensive line that's holding them back.

 

Cam Cameron made Antonio Gates, LaDanian Tomlinson, Phillip Rivers, and Vincent Jackson into stars and pro bowlers while he was in San Diego what's your point.

How much of it is just talent and how much of it is scheme? That's the point I am trying to make.

I do not think the west coast offense would be good for Joe. He is not really good on the short routes which is 90% of the throws. Yeah, I agree that our receivers need to get open and we do need an offensive coordinator with an imagination but I don't think that scheme fits Joe's strengths. Air Coryell is a great system for Joe, they just need to get him some weapons.

Slaton had a 3.3 average the following year with Kyle after his "Breakout year". RG3 had a ROY winning year one year, then fell on his face the next year. So who knows what kind of Offensive coordinator he could be, he hasn't had a long tenure at either spot he has landed. So the 4 years under Mike is what we go off of where he had an awesome top 5 offense in 2012 but mediocre offenses in '13,11, and 10.

I think it's really between Hostler and Kirby, doesn't matter who we take, it's about what Ozzie does in the off season. But what I've heard about Shanahan, don't really want him.

Interview with David Elfin on the NOrris and Davis show

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Steve asked David for his thoughts on Shanahan possibly coming here and how it would work. David said it would really be up to Joe Flacco, while Shanahan can produce a very good running game he has also rubbed quarterbacks the wrong way. In Washington Shanahan’s “prickly personality” was a problem between he and McNabb which saw Donovan leave town, and the 2nd time Kyle was run out of town for not working well with RG3.

Ed asked about the possibility of a rift among the coaching staff in Baltimore and whether or not bringing Shanahan in would cause even more problems for the Ravens. David said that there was a rift in DC but it was mainly because Kyle’s father was the head coach and other coaches thought he might be getting preferential treatment.

David talked about Shanahan’s system and how he runs a West Coast type of offense and how that may be a problem between Flacco and Kyle. The west coast offense needs a very accurate QB which is something Joe has struggled big time with in his career and David said that will drive Kyle absolutely crazy. David noted that inaccuracy was the big problem between Kyle and Donovan McNabb."

I think Scott is out because he's too pass happy and the Ravens may be looking for a offensive coordinator that  wants balanced. The ego thing with Shanahan in my opinion  will not be a problem  and honestly you can say the samething about Josh McDaniel but it doesn't change how good  he has been as a offensive coordinator for the Patriots or the Broncos. Kirby  may have never done it before but just like other offensive coordinator they all had to start some where; It may say alot that the Steelers wanted him as their offensive coordinator before his fire incident. 

 

Hostler well theres really nothing much to say about him lol.

Kirby does have to start somewhere but I don't want it to be here. We need a guy to work along side of joe. A RB coach doesn't exactly sound good to me.

McDaniels' ego is in check by Belichick who is a strong, respected coach.There is a reason he is sticking to OC and not taking a HC job. He is a part of a system that the Patriots have had for years. The love for Shanahan on these boards is amusing to me. He will be a scape goat in the way Cam was except for he will have that D-Bag attitude of Todd Haley annoying Joe.

 

 

If you haven't heard anything positive about Shanahan, you haven't read this thread at all

 

All I have heard about Shanahan is that he rubbed ALL of the QBs the wrong way in DC and has a massive ego and butts heads with staff members including his own father. I've heard Donovan McNabb had more of a problem with Kyle than Mike. I don't want him at all.

Quite frankily, there is nothing in this thread that has made me believe/think he would be a good fit here. Joe Flacco would not be good in the west coast offense. He is not accurate enough in the short to intermiediate routes.

Kirby, Hostler and Shanahan apparently. I was listening to the fan, they said those 3 guys. I don't know why Scott Linehan is out but these are 3 terrible options. Shanahan has an ego issue and I have heard nothing good about him. Hostler can't even get his receivers open, failed in San Fran and has nothing on his resume that shouts he should be an offensive coordinator. Kirby has never done it before.

Honestly. IF we pick one of these guys and fail, at least Harbaugh will lose control if Biscotti is true to his word. The guy doesn't do well bringing in coaching personnel.

The Wolverine was alright. Wish Fox Studios would lose the rights to the X Men, Spider-man and Fantastic 4 so Marvel can do a better job. I just felt the end of the Wolverine was way too obvious.

As of now, here is the 2014 Free Agent WRs. In Bold is guys I would want. Obviously the talent level isn't all the same but there are a few bargain buys that would be upgrades of what we have now.

Eric Decker
Anquan Boldin
Hakeem Nicks
Golden Tate
Emmanuel Sanders
Jeremy Maclin
Riley Cooper
Jacoby Jones
Devin Hester
Ted Ginn, Jr.
Julian Edelman
Jacoby Ford
Robert Meachem
James Jones
Dexter McCluster
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Mario Manningham
Santana Moss
Kenny Britt
Domenik Hixon
Brandon LaFell
Dane Sanzenbacher
Andre Cladwell
Kevin Ogletree
Chad Hall
Jerome Simpson
Austin Collie
Josh Cribbs
Jerrico Cotchery
Kassim Osgood
Kyle Williams
Damian Williams

I think the one team I see going after Pitta would be the Patriots. With the Gronk situation of him always being injured, and not having Hernandez anymore, I could see them making a push to try to sign him.

I think the Patriots would be after him but they have already dealt with one Tight End with a bad injury, they would be concerned about his hip. But they would like the fact that he didn't murder someone executioner style, so there is always that.

I don't see Pitta going anywhere else. Let him test free agency, then sign him. I don't think other teams will take the chance on him. It is not like he is this elite tight end option. He just has great chemistry with Joe because they shave weird maustaches together and go on man dates. I think we can get him on the cheap side if we let him go and see what is out there and match any deal he gets.

I'd say Torrey is better than the players in bold. However, guys like Amendola, Kerley, Washington and Johnson definitely run better routes. And Smith, Blackmon and Bowe are better at contested grabs. Love Torrey and I think he'll get better but he's barely a top-30 WR at this point. 

 

Not sure whether you intentionally left him or just forget but Keenan Allen is an interesting  name to consider. Not to derail the thread but is he already a comparable WR to Torrey at this point?

I too thought it was strange Allen wasn't on the list but Kerley was.

Subtitle: wide-spread erroneous beliefs.

Saw something in another thread earlier that I know to be widely believed, but untrue, got me thinking about starting this thread. Every day we see things in the forums that are just not true. I'll start with one that chaps me and I hope you will contribute more. Maybe we can fight ignorance together.

Myth 1: Oher is a penalty machine/false starts every game.

Truth: in 2013 Michael Oher was penalized a total of 6 times. Only 3 of those were false starts and they were ALL in the same game (possible officiating issue?). Oher had 4 false starts in 2012. In comparison, Yanda was penalized 7 times and 5 of those were false starts this past year. He has 3 false starts in 2012.

Thank You. I am in no way a Michael Oher fan or hater but I've been saying this for weeks now. He was not that penalized.

Yea, while West reaps the rewards the O-Line had a stellar game last night.

 

If Jacksonville St wins today, I plan on going the the Towson game next week.  Heard the turnout was pretty poor for last week's game.  

Might join you. Fingers crossed for Jacksonville St, but we know better to ever trust a team from Jacksonville to not choke lol

I think they have faith in Ricky Wagner, honestly. I think they let him try to win the job.

I'm not keen on ever taking a center in the first, but you have to remember that a rookie center doesn't have a lot of the line calls or blitz recognitions down yet, so it's likely to slow him down. If we were to get one, I'd want Swanson in the third.

I'm still pulling for TE or WR first

Everyone is going to want Swanson in the third which means we will have to take him in the 2nd

I would say OL in the first just because of how poor ours has been but looking at this draft...they are mostly day 2 talent within our range...TE or WR it is I guess.

There's a reason Dickson is the starter over Pitta. He doesn't block much. He graded out positively on three blocking snaps. He isn't going to be an online tight end, and I think the lack of blocking could drop it.

I agree with around $5 million per year.

Neither one is a great blocking option. Hopefully we address Tight End in the draft to complement Pitta, I don't see Dickson being back. But at this rate, I rather take a Center or Right Tackle in the first...

 

 

I don't agree with them having better quarterbacks (I think Joe is just as capable if that were the Ravens offensive philosophy), but I do agree that the builds and physical attributes are different. However, with Pitta offering so little as a blocker, he would need to put up the big receiving numbers to receive the massive contract that some fans believe he'll get.

 

Well I am going to ignore the first sentence because I am not going to get into that debate. Too much of that on here anyways.

Pitta offering so little as a blocker? He graded out positively in his return back and that was in bad conditions. Is he the best blocker? Far from it but he is the best blocking tight end we have that can go out for a pass after laying a hit at the LoS. I don't think he will get a massive Contract. $5-$7 million range a year is probably tops.

Seeing Desolation of Smaug tomorrow morning, 11 AM. So pumped!

I'd be lying to say I followed them much nowadays.  But I do know there is only one name to know.  Terrance West, RB.  Walter Payton finalist this year, he'll probably get drafted to the NFL (2015).  

 

Tonight he's on a tear.  330 yards, 5 Tds.  Only 4 minutes left and Towson can advance past the #2 seed. 

Anthony Davis and Eric Pike are names worth remembering. Wouldn't be shocked if we brought those linemen in. But yeah, West averaged 9 yards a clip last night. He was practically averaging a first down a touch!

 

 

I'm honestly a little torn on the stats. Yes, he is clearly the favorite target, but he has not yet shown to be an elite pass catcher like a Graham or Gronk.

 

Well Graham and Gronk have much better Quarterbacks and a freaks of nature. That's like comparing Torrey to Calvin Johnson.

Dennis Pitta resigned? Why?! Why would he quit now?

Just kidding. We will RE-SIGN him because we saw we really don't have much at the TE position. Clark will be gone next year, Dickson as well. Do you expect us to replace 3 tight ends in one off season?

Ozzie will be sure to point out the injury, point at the stats but I have a feeling the ball is in Pitta's court. He is Flacco's favorite target and they will not let him walk.

I would love to have him back. Him and Joe are starting to get on same page. Flacco doesn't seem to be one of the QBs that you can plug any receiver in there and he will have immediate rapport. Him and Brown are getting there but a lot of miscommunication still.

Django is unchained but doubt he is coming to Bmore.

I agree.... Exccept... Michael Huff is no Ed Reed.

Ed Reed is no Ed Reed

Typical Ravens fan post lol

As soon as he got cut I'm thinking " someone is going to actually want him to come back to Baltimore"... And here we are.

No. I do not want him to play for us but I would love to extend him a coaching position. Hell , even an offensive line coach