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People are also assuming that Pierce was going to eventually take his spot on the DL. We have no clue how Pierce is going to handle a full workload. We have seen in the past that some guys are much better suited to being a rotational piece. 

Also, our other DT spot is a total mess. Urban can't stay healthy and can be just as invisible as Jernigan. We also have no clue about Kaufusi. I didn't follow his college career. Is he injury prone? Can he even handle being a starting DT in this league? No one has a clue at this time. 

At least this year, at worst, our starting D line could have been Pierce-Williams-Jernigan. Now? I have no clue how bad it actually could get.

So outside of our 2 down NT who we overpaid to begin with, we now have either guys that are overaged and declining or young guys who we truly know not too much about. I just don't like the trade.

Jernigan was a first round talent coming out that fell to the second in the draft. He has shown flashes of being a very good player. Getting him in the right environment and getting his motor going 100% all of the time and he'd be a stud DE. 

And who is even to say that we'd lose him next year? May be we could have signed him even if he did have a awesome year. I think this move may help us in the long term but won't help this year. Unless, it happens to help a major position of need and a rookie comes in and actually contributes (rarely happens the first year).

I don't think that is worth moving a very young DE who is on the rise and has major potential. I'd like this trade if it was for a 3rd rounder and Jernigan straight up. So we lost our 2nd round pic for basically moving up 25 spots in a round? I don't even know what that equates to but that isn't a fair deal on our end. Obviously I know other things play a factor in the decision. 

If anything, I think this just speaks to the inability this FO has at resigning their drafted talent. 

It sucks that this isn't one of the years where the Ravens had a bunch more draft picks than usual because it truly seems like we need them. 

We need: 2-3 Olineman, 1-2 OLB, 1-2 WR, 1 CB and 1 ILB. We are going to have to work magic with our 7 picks.

To get away from the "average" moniker that has surrounded this team, for the past couple years is for Flacco to simply play better during the regular season.

14 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

So Hopefully Maxx outplays Steelers TE james this year....

I'll believe it when I see it. 

On 3/25/2017 at 2:24 AM, Underdogsontop! said:

That's just how the cookie crumbles some times. Maxx is still young and has a lot more time to get with it and be good for us. I remember thinking we got the better deal with Zadarious smith in the 4th and they took bud Dupree in the 1st. Smith out played Dupree in his 1st year. Don't get me wrong my expectations is high on maxx, but I guess we'll just have to wait.

Smith may have outplayed Dupree in his first year but Dupree played very well for them towards the end of last year. And Smith, as we all know, provided very little for our defense last year. 

I'm not sure how anyone can make the argument that Joe Flacco is elite. Unless you are John Clayton or the other clowns in the media that believe there are 15 elite QB's in this league. 

One would have to put a percentage on what elite actually is or a number. Is he top 5? Heck no? Top ten? I'd say ehhh. I would probably rank him around 11-13. But I'd also argue that the elite QB's in this league are the top 5 or so.

6 hours ago, Edgar said:

I've said this before but...had Maxx been drafted by Pittsburgh he would be a budding star...certainly a fan favorite.

They probably would be doing some cutting edge stuff with him....you know, throwing him the ball.

Twice, in his rookie season he played entire games and was TARGETED.....zero times.

Heck, why did they even need to draft Maxx in the second?? They got Jesse James much later in the draft and he has outperformed and helped them much more than Maxx has come anywhere close to for us.

49 minutes ago, Adreme said:

The fact that they made the playoffs and what happened to them when they did kind of proves my point about the AFCEast as a whole.  I suspect that you actually see that but are avoiding admitting it because there is no way you honestly believe the AFCEast and AFCNorth are the same quality of division year in and year out.  Even in a down year for the north they were still a better division than the East.

 

Unlike most years though NE was just the only complete team in the NFL with every other AFC team either being a year too early or missing a core piece.  Judging by how the off-season played out and that said year has passed that likely will not be the case (though the Jets and Bill's will still stink with Dolphins being at best below average)

So making the playoffs and losing the first game is somehow worse than not making the playoffs at all?

The Patriots ran through the AFCNorth. I don't know what I am failing to admit? That they would not do as well in our division when the results say they certainly would? 5-0 against the AFCNorth last year. 5-1 in their division. What's better? 2013: 3-1 vs. AFCNorth. 4-2 in division. 2011: 3-1 to 5-1. The results show that they fare better against the teams in our division than their own. That isn't conjecture. That's cold hard facts.

Some of you have such extreme purple colored shades on that it's impossible to get across a point. 

2 hours ago, Adreme said:

I like how you focus on the result of the Bills and Jets game but ignore the one for the Dolphins game because it hurts your point.  Also considering how useless the Bills offense was against the Ravens at no point did I ever think the Ravens could lose.  The Jets winning that game was an upset.  Upsets do happen though otherwise the Pats would go 6-0 in the division every every year but sometimes they go 5-1 or maybe on crazy years 4-2.  It still does not change that the AFC East is notoriously bad and has been and will continue to be.

 

 

I don't care what happened in the game between us and the Dolphins. The fact still remains that they made the playoffs and the Ravens did not.

Its funny that you bring up how useless the Bills offense was when ours was just as bad as theirs. We scored 13 points. 

The Jets game, we lost plain and simple. I don't care what happened.

And exactly what would the Patriots do in our division every year? The Steelers were 0-2 against them last year, Bengals 0-1, Browns 0-1 and Brady almost threw for 500 yards in the spanking they gave us. 

You could make the same argument that they would do just as well in our division. The Steelers and Bengals do not match up well with them. We play them tough once in awhile. And the Browns are 2 free wins. 

9 hours ago, Adreme said:

Playing in the AFCEast the division of basement dwellers that have no desire to ever be good sort of does that.  You can put blinders on about the level of competition all you want, there is a reason the Bills have not made the playoffs in 18 years, the Dolphins are never more then average (note how they were the 2nd best team in the AFCE last year and how badly the Ravens destroyed them) and the Jets who are well they are the Jets.  

All you need to do is get to the playoffs with a playoff QB and you have a chance in January as long as those 2 things happen you can compete for a SB every year.

The Bills, who we barely were able to beat, the Dolphins who made the playoffs and we didn't and the Jets who also beat us last year... 

If those three teams are all horrible in your eyes, where do we rank as a team? 

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

So because we didnt make the playoffs in easy fashion it diminishes the path?  Its not easy for a lot of teams to make the playoffs, even when some times easily do they cant make any noise at all.  Yea, it would be nice to go undefeated every year and win the SB, doesnt work like that, we arent the only team trying to win the SB. 

If we are aspiring to be the best team in the league, then why can't it be easy to make the playoffs? 

The Patriots have made it look pretty dang simple the past 10-15 years. And I don't want to hear about the level of competition in each teams division. They are still NFL teams and they have owned their division year after year and have had great super bowl success.

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I know, its just seems so many people are caught up having a elite WR group which I think is overrated.  I think we just need a collective group, like in 12', Im with you on our WR group needing to be addressed, but I also don't think we need a top ten corps, imo a running game is far more important. 

I mean yeah I agree. Build the O line and hopefully stuff will begin to work for our Offense. The only problem with 12' is that people forget how fortunate in the first place we were to even make the playoffs that year. Obviously the offense took off in the playoffs and that's where we'd like to see it.

This speaks to how below average we have been as an overall team in the regular season for a long while now. It would be nice to go into week 16-18 once in awhile not needing help just to make it into the playoffs.

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

How many teams have the best WR groups in the league?

Well since I said "one of the best", I would say that would be top ten.

13 minutes ago, Adreme said:

Saying someone is injury prone due to 2 freak injuries is like saying they are an all pro after catching 2 deep balls.  He had no injury history before this and they have no connection to each other.

How good the Ravens WR Corp is comes down to how much Perriman develops in his first off season and TC.  If he does one of the better groups in the NFL if not it's likely one of the worst.

 

If the Ravens took a WR I wouldn't be shocked nor would I be shocked with a pass rusher corner or tackle.  The RT beingby far the Ravens biggest need.

That analogy is probably one of the worst I have ever heard. It's just an SMH type comment. 

Even if Perriman comes along and has an even 1,000 yard season. (Massive stretch already) we still wouldn't have one of the best WR groups in the league. We'd be the middle of the pack. Can Perriman duplicate what SSS did last year? Well even if he did, we still had a pretty poor passing game. 

On 3/17/2017 at 9:11 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Pretty much every team in the NFL is 2 injuries away from having a poor WR group. 

If Dez Bryan and Williams go down the cowboys are starting Cole Beasley and who? If Antonio brown and Sammie Coates go down who are the Steelers WRs? Eagles just made the most FA splash at WR and still if Alshon and Matthews go down they're starting Torrey Smith and Nelson Aghalor. Gimme Wallace and Moore.

And it's very fair to say Camps injury prone.... but not Perriman. He had two freak injuries not nagging muscle stuff like Camp that doesn't go away. 

 

And FA isn't over plus the draft. 

I know we have all these games coming up in April that everyone is so anxious what our roster will look like for them.....

oh wait?? We don't play for almost 6 months?

There's a massive difference from already having one of the worst WR groups in the league compared to the Steelers and Cowboys. 

Also, you missed the point completely. Outside of Dez, both those teams don't really have any injury concerns at WR. So I'm not sure what your comparison is getting at. 

Perrimen has been in the league two years and has had two major injuries to his lower body. I would consider that injury prone. 

I'm not even going to comment on Camp because he can't stay on the field long enough to deserve a comment.

My initial point meant that we are a couple plays away from having the worst WR group in the NFL. We already have one in the bottom 10 and I know it's hard for some of you to accept that.

The Ravens are one strong gust of wind away from having Mike Wallace and Chris Moore as their starting WR's. If that doesn't scare some of you, I'm not sure what will. 

Edit: The opening sentence is a jab at how injury prone Camp and Perrimen are since I know I would have to clarify myself because some of you don't mesh well with Ravens criticism. 

I don't mind the signing. Hopefully he can bring some stability to the position for a year or 2. Don't really like how old he is. Hopefully this doesn't mean that we don't draft CB high and use an aging vet as a band aid once again. This has been burning us for awhile now. 

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well for years now we've fielded a very competitive defense with only one corner and the biggest weakness was cb2 the whole time. Filling that hole at cb2 goes an extremely long way at making our defense very good, especially with a damn good safety tandem we've established the past 2 offseasons. Whether one of them gets hurt or not, it's still a massive upgrade over anyone we have at cb2

I wasn't commenting on him being a decent number 2. We were commenting on a poster calling him a shut down CB. Which he certainly is not. 

In this current state, we are looking to take a massive step backwards on O. Which is down right frightening because we already were a below average offense. 

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think the same. If the Ravens had another shut down corner like Claiborne I think the Ravens start going into elite territory on defense. I know the pass rush sucks and still needs improvement, but that secondary is dangerous. Especially if the Ravens were able to convince Webb to come back (highly unlikely but still in talks). 

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see where anyone thinks Claiborne is a savior. The common opinion seems to be that he's a big upgrade from any option at cb2, injury risk or not, and that is 100% true. It's better to go with a quality cb who has been injured, than to go with an absolute nobody.

This is the post that redrum and I were talking about. And yes, he does make it seem like Claiborne would be the miracle cure to our woes on defense. 

People read things out of context whenever we were having a valid conversation that he isn't some miracle to our secondary. He's an injury prone player who decided to show up some this year. On top of being hurt for a large portion of said year.

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think the same. If the Ravens had another shut down corner like Claiborne I think the Ravens start going into elite territory on defense. I know the pass rush sucks and still needs improvement, but that secondary is dangerous. Especially if the Ravens were able to convince Webb to come back (highly unlikely but still in talks). 

Not sure where everyone is getting that Claiborne is a shut down corner? The guy has been a massive injury risk and major disappointment down in Dallas.

Yes, he would be a upgrade over what we currently have. But him and Jimmy together are just ticking time bombs. We still need more than him to beat these QB/WR stacked teams.

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea I know we'd have to take the full hit.... but I'd prob be ok with cutting Pitta to accommodate. Gets you most of the way there. 

Still trying to figure out why one of Watson or Pitta weren't cut to make this type of move? Why do we have 5 TE's on the roster. We could surely cut Watson or Pitta and let a young guy step up.

The pick of Max looks worse and worse by the week. If he can't beat out some of these old hurt vets, then get rid of him too.

Just now, rmw10 said:

 

Actually a very smart move for him. Cousins will be trying to ball out for his next contract and he's basically the only thing they have in the form of a #1 receiver.

7 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

What pass rush does the Cardinals have???? LOL They were one of the worst teams at getting to the quarterback why do you think they traded for Chandler Jones and it is still pretty pathetic. 

Once again, I'm not commenting on Tony Jeffersons coverage skills and what help or non help he had at Arizona. I'm not sure what you don't understand about it.

I am responding to the post above. He said that Arizonas pass rush "is still pretty pathetic". They led the league in sacks. That's all I'm saying.