2 minutes ago, Adreme said:Here is the thing. If the Ravens did not think they had someone BETTER than Zuttah on the roster, they would not have traded him. They did trade him so someone on the roster they would have had be the starter instead of Zuttah. That means the only big problem is RT which is a big problem but hopefully one that they can fix.
Who's currently on the roster that's perceptively better than Zuttah?
1 minute ago, cobrajet said:Maybe, but I have not been impressed at all.
To be fair, it's not like he's gotten a lot of snaps. He does need to keep his head in the game though. I think more plays will do that for him.
6 minutes ago, Ravenslifer said:Well, Joe did say he didn't think we needed receivers. The front office apparently heard him loud and clear.
He's right. We don't need more receivers. Unfortunately, the FO appears to be oblivious to the fact that we still need better receivers.
HOLY KRAPP @ Steelers pick.
19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:garrett bolles seems like a complete idiot
Phony as hell too. He knows he won't be coaching misguided youth with questions via social media lol.
On 4/11/2017 at 8:32 PM, Ravenseconbeast said:You are asking almost the impossible. So you get drafted and don't succeed with your first team. The possibility of anyone giving you a 2nd chance to be groomed like your first team is slim to none.
I can list you all the WR we drafted since Joe was drafted and you can name me how many of those WRs actually broke 1000 yards. Fair?
Justin Harper
Marcus Smith
David Reed
Tandon Doss
Torrey Smith
Tommy Streeter
Aaron Mallette
Michael Campanaro
Darren Waller
Breshad Perriman
"These receviers became elite with other QBs" - Said No Analyst Ever
Those of you who think we should draft a QB are clueless. We have a QB who is good enough and there are a lot of other teams that would die to have him. We also need to remember that the FO keeps changing his Coordinators so he's always been learning a new playbook. He has the highest cap hit of any QB in the league this year and we can't afford to waste a darn draft pick on a QB. We have sooooooo manyyyyyy other holes to fill and QB isn't one for the next 2-3 years.
AY! Don't go inflaming my shallow mind with all that sane talk. Even though no analyst has ever said 'Joe has all these great weapons, he's simply not using them' I like to pretend he does. Let me revel in my irrational Joe-hate please! /sarcasm
Staying on topic though, Timmy was solid so it's sad to see him go. Couldn't ask for a classier departure given his situation.
Look at Ravens writers pretend one's production at receiver is chiefly driven by one's personality. No wonder we're allergic to catchers with talent (if the F.O. thinks the same way).
I'm wondering if the guy actually consumed an illegal substance or just ate a tainted steak or something?
First the Ravens and now the 9ers have strengthened Torrey's critics. I never believed he was a "bad" receiver but his limitations on the field as a Raven made his speed hard to appreciate. Be cool to see him elevate his game in Philly though. Third times a charm, right?
Cruz is washed if we're talking about a return to 2011 form. I'd love to be wrong but I see Cruz as Lee Evans 2.0 in Baltimore. A standout game, maybe two, but I don't see him dominating week-in and week-out like he's done in the past.
2 hours ago, allblackraven said:According to Rapoport and nfl.com, Ravens had offered entire 2008 draft class to the Rams to trade up and take Matt Ryan
The Rams wanted more (plus 2009 2nd round pick) and the deal fell through. The rest is history.
I have hard time believing this, what do you think?
History shows Joe was the better choice. Any evidence suggest Ryan even sniffs the playoffs with Joe's career receiving talent? One could assume yes. One could also assume Joe has multiple rings with Roddy White/Julio Jones-quality receivers throughout his career. Who knows?
Is he capable of waiting to see how we draft before he closes the door for good or not? That'd be funny if that's what he's doing.
21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:Barring a meteoric rise we are in a great range for Sidney Jones aka the best corner prospect since pat pete
Wow. He looks darn near plug-n-play from what I've seen. Adjustments to be made made of course but I don't see him needing "multiple years" before ROI.
1 hour ago, balfan23 said:Here is what we have on Defense:
DL = This may have been the most solid position group on the team, despite the fact that they didn't finish the season well. Jernigan was one of the bright spots on the season and hopefully can continue to improve. We're going to need to find a way to fill the gap that will be left by Williams, because I'll be shocked if he doesn't pull down a salary that is more than we'll be willing to pay.
OLB = Greatest need on the team and must be addressed in the draft, hopefully with a first rounder. However, this time we need to pick a player that will actually contribute. Correa is 2016's biggest disappointment. I know, he was only a rookie, but you need to at least be a rotational player that starts showing promise when you are picked as high as he was. Even if he surprises us all and explodes on the scene, this is still a top priority need.
ILB = Thank goodness Orr, who I think is the 2nd brightest spot on this team only behind Young, is RFA. Give him his 2nd round tender and then try to get a longer term contract. Mosley is locked in for one more year.
S = Weddle is locked in. Webb definitely improved, but it is an open question as to whether he's worth the $5.5M we'd get back if we let him go.
CB = Thank God for Young. Jimmy is really good, but we all know what the problem is there. I still think we need to invest in youth at this position, but we need to find better depth here.
Agreed. I think Young is going to be a stud by 2018. I have high hopes for Judon too. Wouldn't be mad if Ozzie dipped into the CB pool early this upcoming draft.
On 12/25/2016 at 10:41 PM, ravens rule said:Going into flacco's 10th season why is WR still a huge question mark ?
I'm just as puzzled by the F.O.'s failure to draft a killer at this point of Joe's career.
4 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:It's easy, Flacco sucks.
You can go back to Jets game this season(perhaps the most pathetic team this past decade). Flacco went 0 TD + 2 INT + just barely over 55%completion rate.
Then look at any QB that went against Jets this season. He is the least efficient 3rd down QB starter this season. Lower than Bortles and Osweiler.
You have a veteran QB that has the same trait: Overt inaccurate throws(overthrow/underthrows), Zero sense of field awareness, Eyeing 1 target almost all the time, Systematic QB that only knows how to hit stride with highly established veteran WRs.
Joe has zero chance when it comes to building rapport with new receivers.
I am almost 100% sure we will draft quite a few handful of WR @ this draft, but more likely than not, he will fall into relying on veteran WRs next year(whoever that might be).
What you said is probably believable to deluded crazy folk but sane people know there are more things to account for than cherry-picked stats. If what you said about Flacco's inability to develop chemistry with "new" receivers is true then it would also apply to any pass-catcher by default since the mechanics are the same regardless of who the pass is designated to. Unfortunately for you there's plenty of tape that destroys your perception of Joe as he can be frequently seen completing passes to drafted pass-catchers with good technique and reliable hands (Pitta & Rice being prime examples).
Another piece of evidence that destroys your superstition about Flacco's reliance on veterans is tape of him throwing to traded pass-catchers who either frequently sucked at getting open and making contested catches or were washed up by the time they got to Baltimore (Lee Evans, Jacoby Jones, Donte Stallworth).
Thirdly, if the failures of the passing game were Flacco's fault as you suggest why did the receivers fail to find success on other teams? Tell me again, who among this group dominated defenders after leaving Baltimore?
Mark Clayton - First round pick. Funny how his appraised level of talent failed to appear in Baltimore AND St. Louis.
David Reed - lol...Dude got a chance to tear it up with Luck. What happened?
Torrey Smith - Largely still a one-dimensional PI specialist who only seems to be useful on short to intermediate routes when he's pissed off. Even the F.O. noticed his limitations and sent him packing.
Tandon Doss - *scoff*
LaQuan Williams - ....no.
Marlon Brown, Tommy Streeter, I could go on but the point is beyond proven. The F.O.'s selection of drafted/UDFA WRs during the Harbaugh era (minus the past two seasons since it's still too early to tell) have been mediocre at best and often worse. NONE, I repeat, ZERO of Baltimore's drafted/UDFA receivers from 2008 to present have gone to be dominant elsewhere. Point me to an instance where Joe failed with a Fitz, 'Tron, A.J. Green-caliber receiver. I'll wait.
More good: Credit to the o-line beyond the first quarter. Solid finish. Far from great but could've been worse.
22 minutes ago, 3-4ravdef509 said:
Are we just ignoring the dropped passes and touchdowns??
Joe isn't the problem.
You have to ignore the countless catchable dropped passes so it sounds believable coming out lol.
The Good: Joe put the team in position to win as usual. Receivers (not named Aiken) stepped up in later drives. Credit to the group.
The Bad: The secondary's regression. They started to make strides the last few games. Hope this motivates whoever stays to play better next year.
The Ugly: "Justin" Juszczyk
'nother game saving drive by Joe squandered. This is becoming a countless affair.
Here we go...
Aiken's gotta go. Too many failures.
Oh no, not him...
Need our receivers to step up this drive.
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Eluemunati....all over your body. Solid pick. Like Nico too. Wouldn't be mad at additional line depth with the final pick.