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Its too bad we took Correa over Deion Jones. I was a big fan of Jones

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think the only lineman that could go before the Ravens' pick is Cam Robinson, who could be a good pickup for the Colts.

Ryan Ramczyk

I'd like to think my team would have similar success as the real falcons. I don't have Schraeder or Mack on the offense, but Kouandjio was much much better this year and Nick Martin was promising before getting hurt. Hunter Henry was a big addition at TE too.

Defense is pretty similar. Thurmond retiring hurts though a healthy Shaq Lawson could be a great duo with Beasley.

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

im not. but you dont talk about trading up for a guy whos being projected to go in the 2nd and 3rd round because hes failed multiple drug tests and has been arrested for carrying weed and an illegal firearm.

tabor is a holding machine and gets beat deep all the time, and mckinley is stiff as a board with less hand usage and bend than correa had coming out. 

no need to mock me just because ive studied these players extensively and have seen some ugly shortcomings.

Hahahah ok. Well first, you have no idea what grades teams have given players, so don't tell me about their stock and who's falling or rising on NFL boards. You flat out don't know.

Also you do realize scouting players in mostly opinion based right? You act like you're the only who knows how to evaluate them. Which is hilarious because no one can take anything you say seriously after you said Kalamlei Correa was a legit DROY candidate and "practically the same player as Anthony Barr", among many many of your other misses. We all miss on players, which is why most on here don't talk like they know everything, unlike you.

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

tim williams is tumbling. corey davis doesnt appear to be a trade up type of guy atm and could be there at 16, mike williams isnt quite great enough to trade up for. 

mckinley is horrible value at 16 

tankersley looks like hes projected 2nd round and will likely stay there, tabor is a bust in the making.

Oh? Didn't know you were the all knowing one

It just depends who's available and when. I wouldn't mind trading up for an elite player that could mask some of our weaknesses, but we do also have a lot of holes and it's a really stacked and deep defensive class. Getting 5 players in the first three rounds could bring a ton of talent in.

Maybe something like this

Trade up options: Barnett, T Williams, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, Lattimore

Stay at 16: Wilson, Jones, McKinley, Cook

Trade down: Edge or CB (Harris, Watt, Tre White, Tankersly, Tabor) such a deep class there will be good ones available

33 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Lewis did fine in a pinch with next to zero prep at tackle. I think the worst case scenario is Stanley-Urschel-Zuttah-Yanda-Lewis*. Which isnt ideal, but would probably be considered average in the league. 

The running game would be even worse and Flacco would see more pressure from the RT and LG spots. So it really weakens two spots on an already not good enough line. And Flacco needs a better than average OL to succeed, especially with the lack of weapons he has.

11 minutes ago, berad said:

You're probably right but for all the 'upgrade the OL' sentiment the FO was giving out, there's only so many spots they can actually look at. Zuttah seems like the obvious choice - notwithstanding Wagner leaving.

Now, they did get a new OL and assistant OL coach. Perhaps that was more of their meaning.

Yeah I know what you're saying. I feel like like they were referring more to new coaches and improvement from young guys like Stanley and Lewis. Along with Yanda those are three good pieces. If Wagner leaves then the OL is much worse, but if not then it seems both tackle and guard spots are filled. Then Zuttah probably hangs around as the FO tries to find a present and or future upgrade there. No matter what happens though it's going to be hard for teams to acquire good offensive lineman this offseason and the demand is going to be very high.

5 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Best available could be an offensive tackle:
Ramczyk- Wisconsin or Robinson- Alabama

That's intriguing. Having Bookends would be sweet

They probably won't be BPA because this is a terrible OT class and there's a lot of teams desperate for OT's. Also, that's what we already had with Wagner, probably worse. If our 1st round pick is used to weaken RT then say goodbye to next season.

Zuttah is decent, theres just not that many good centers out there. It's why finding a new center that will actually be an upgrade is harder than most realize. I think we'll keep Zuttah and add someone through FA or the draft though.

If Wagner leaves the offense is most likely screwed. It'd be very hard to replace him as most teams are looking for OT's and there are very few out there.. RT's are just as important as LT's these days and retaining one of the better ones in his prime has to be the biggest priority of free agency. Adding a starting OT to the long list of other needs would be a deep hole to dig out of.

OLB, CB, ILB, WR and OL are all big needs, and those are just the positions that need starters. I think for the second year in a row Ozzie has to kill this draft, or we're back to mediocre or worse

9 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Im not actually sure that Orr retiring affects the draft strategy that much. Realistically, he was going to be a UFA next year and since Mosley is likely gonna get his 5th year option activated next offseason, it would have been contract chicken between the two and Mosley probably would have won. 

Im really just grateful that Orr is getting out before something terrible happened to him on the field. 

Why garett bolles?

Barring some unforeseen incident, Rueben Foster isn't going to be available anywhere near 16. There's no other ILB I'd want us to take in the first two rounds either. Taking an ILB early means we downgraded at ILB while improving literally nothing else with that pick. We've already seen the defense struggle when Mosley and Orr were in. Please please please Ozzie prioritize OLB and CB first.

Damn this sucks. So many great players leaving Baltimore too early lately

So many CB's to study, so many to like. At least one is very likely to be BPA early. Right now my top guys are 

1 Lattimore

2 Wilson

3 Jones

4 Tankersly

5 White

I also seem to like Jackson, J Lewis and Elder more than most. People have pretty mixed opinions on Adoree as a CB, but his return skills alone are going to make him a steal. He will change so many games because of it.

Wth Hester

42 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I honestly think the fact that we didn't say pass rusher was a pressing need is all smoke screen for the draft. We said depth at corner, another receiver and oline are our biggest needs to upgrade. We had 31 sacks all year suggs and doom are past their prime and we can't show too much faith in the young guys. 

Remember last year during this address we said monroe was our left tackle. We ended up drafting Stanley and letting Monroe walk after a post June 1 cut to save more money. I could see the same thing happen to dumervill this year

Yeah that part stuck out to me. They didn't seem too concerned about OLB, but who knows. It was interesting Ozzie listed Judon and Z Smith as young guys who can develop, but didn't mention Correa.

My biggest takeaway was that even without them going into specifics, it seemed like they all had a good understanding of what went wrong and how to fix it. They realize CB depth is a big issue, which is nice to hear considering how its largely been ignored for awhile. And despite the offense repeatedly having the same problems during the year, Bisciotti made it clear that we didn't run it enough, or well enough, and that must change.

Wasn't expecting Noah Brown to enter. I haven't studied him but he's really talented and I've seen some really impressive plays from him

I like Jones more for our defense. Wilson should excel in a press scheme

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

you're being very selective here - our 4th round O lineman has served time when we could have drafted all sorts of "choirboys" as you put it, in the same spot who would have been "safer" picks

also to say spence would have led the entire team in sacks is straight up insulting to suggs who got 8 on the season with one arm for half the year

as far as im aware the only guys who come off the draft board are DV cases and people who interview terribly

and yes of course offseason issues are going to affect draft stock - remember when everyone was high on randy gregory but didnt take him because of character issues - then he showed up early and everyone thought it was ok - and now he is literally banned for another whole year - so tell me how that pick worked out for dallas

Lewis really isn't a good example of an off field issue guy we took a chance on. Didn't he just get in a fight? Big deal, especially for an olineman. And he was a 4th round pick in a round where we had five picks. Almost no risk there. Idk how different the board would look if the FO didn't care about off field as much, but it does seem like almost everyone drafted lately has that red star player feel to them.

13 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think there's a push and shove.  To some extent, you want some hard working players on your team - guys that represent the Ravens brand of football well.  On the other hand though, those guys aren't always the most athletically gifted.  I'm not saying that we need to go out and draft a team full of murderers and rapists, but sometimes, you have to ignore the leadership aspect and just get the best football player for this team.  I know we have this Red Star process that has often been characterized as someone you want on and off the field, someone who works hard, and someone who shows leadership qualities.  That's great and all, but that doesn't always mean the player is meant for the NFL.  I don't mind some of their so-called Red Star players, but it's often said after the draft just how many of them we end up getting.  Is that really a good thing?  That's the push and shove of it.

This. It's part of the balancing act of building a championship team. So many great players wouldn't be what the FO refers to as red star players, but you do need some real leaders to win a super bowl. It does seem like 'good guys' is all we've been drafting lately. I definitely would like to see us taking some more calculated risks, like Spence or Tim Williams. I get why we wouldn't draft a player with DV background, but there's plenty of 'troubled' players who are making teams pay forpassing on them.

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

Now is Hooker strictly a safety or can he play CB as well?

Putting him at corner would be taking away what he does best

Hooker has some really special ability making plays on the ball. I think he'd make some mistakes while he's still learning the position (He's a first year starter, was behind Bell and Powell), but he'd make up for it with some incredible plays and turnovers. His potential is amazing. It'd be pretty hard to pass him up

I want to see us grab Curtis Samuel in the 2nd. He'd give us a legit playmaker on offense who could fill the slot role and be effective from the backfield. Most of Flacco's throws nowadays are short dump offs where the receiver has to make someone miss, but the problem is we have only one elusive player in the open field (Dixon). I'd like to see up be aggressive and trade up for him because players like him don't usually fall too much. His athleticism and elusiveness is special and he's not a bad route runner at all. I love him