NCMan

  7 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Stanley overall was not as impressive as the hype on him. Not saying he won't be a good player but maybe not a #6 grade and most likely a mid-late day 1 or day 2 pick.

I don't see him as worth a number 6 either.  Hopefully, he falls to top of the second round.  We really need a speedy receiver who can get up there and take the ball away from defenders.

Yes, I hope Waller can be that guy. Or who knows, even Perriman (?)

I have this feeling that Jack is destined to land here. He is instant coffee and upgrades the middle of the D in a tremendous way. I also have a hunch that Dallas or JAX might like him a lot too, which could mean Bosa makes his way into wearing Black and Purple. Three likely candidates at #6 that upgrade this team the most are Jack, Bosa, and Buckner. Ramsey will not make it or Tunsil. 

I agree. I'd be happy w/any of those three being Ravens.

  5 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Yes, still waiting to hear the true story on the Suggs incident, but unless it is a hit and run felony type charge, I don't see us crushing ourselves by moving on from him over not paying tickets. 

The bigger concern around Suggs is his ability to recover from such a serious injury (particularly at his age) and whether or not he's going to be able to get himself into football shape with this significant down time. That's something he's periodically struggled with, even when healthy. 

I could see him as a candidate for contract restructuring.

Although I fundamentally agree, I don't see that happening. No chance. His best days are far behind him and the Ravens are stuck w/him and his cap hits and/or future dead money.

How do you fail to pay the tickets when you earn millions?

Uhhh......I don't think it's a matter of him not having the money. It's a matter of him not giving a "crap".

Suggs, Your smarter than this. Just get back healthy and ready to play football.

Apparently he isn't. This shoots that opinion down.

  4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

You do realize the franchise offer he's getting paid this year is probably less than what he would get if he had a long term deal.  

So him signing the franchise offer helps our cap situation better than a deal.

Maybe.

Gostkowski's deal, which is pretty standard, had a year 1 cap hit of $3.6M.

Ravens could easily structure the deal with a $4.5M/year average that only has a maybe $3M cap hit, meaning we'd free up about $1.5M against the current year cap from the franchise tag amount.

Nothing major of course, but if we needed like $1-1.5M in cap for some reason, signing him to an extension is an easy way to do it.

True, they could do that, just might and probably will. I prefer to call it the old "kick the can down the road to dead money oblivion" brand of doing business. Then, sit back and watch some good, well-loved players waltz out the front door, since we can't afford to keep them, because of....you guessed it, dead money/cap constraints. Then we go shopping for some old washed up (cheap) free agents to "fill some holes". Don't you just love it?

I don't like this move :(

Me either, but it's the right move. He's been a great player for us, no doubt.

I have been mulling over the possibility of the Ravens signing Roddy White. Ummmm.........heck no. On further thought.....still no.

Long term deals actually don't cost much cap the first year due to the signing bonus which is spread out over the remaining years. The average per year money and certainly the total contract value numbers are a total joke. If you want to see what a contract really is just look at the guarantee money only as this is all that matters. The rest may as well just be Monopoly money. 

Not really true. Signing bonuses are counted against the cap, sooner or later. That cannot be avoided. Regardless of how a team decides to allocate it, it matters, hence the term "dead money". I get the point you were trying to make, though.

"The defensive line has a lot talent at the top and depth". And to think this was written by a professional writer.

  11 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  20 hours ago, eek said:

  21 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

FO can take part of the blame on this one. It went from out a couple weeks, to a couple months until Thanksgiving IR and out the rest of the season. We needed him because we had to no speed threat on the outside. Whiffing on draft choices the last few years - Matt Elam especially didn't help matters. People tend to think your #1 pick is ready to play and contribute right away. Maybe for other teams but certainly not the Ravens other than CJ Mosley in recent years.
Just saying......

when you're picking in the back of the 1st round all the time. your picks tend to be 50/50.. On your case about Matt Elam, the whole 2013 draft class was pretty bad and we took him with the 32nd pick, not the 6th or 18th. the only people we missed in that class was Darius Slay or Le'Von bell.. but at that point in time. we had emerging Jimmy Smith with a healthy Webb and had Ray Rice carrying the rock. no one can predict future. but your post tends to lead that way. Since Harbaugh and Oz has been paired our 1st round picks have been 08 Flacco, 09 Oher, 11 jimmy smith, 13 Elam, 14 Mosley, 15 Perriman. Let see 4 of those guys are starting (1 for another team). One missed his rookie year and one didn't do a good job. But yeah we have been missing a lot in the first round according to you.

Take a look at the 2012 Draft which we traded out of the 1st round. We picked Sergio Kindle, Terrence Cody, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss,Chykie Brown,Anthony Allen. How many of those are on the team? 2013 Draft- Matt Elam, Arthur Brown, Gino Gradkowsk, Christian Thompson, Asa Jackson,Tommy Streeter, John Simon, Aaron Malette, Marc Anthony where are they now? The best player from the 2013 Draft has been Brandon Williams our 3rd round pick.
My point was we can't keeping whiffing on our picks. Period. 2015 Draft was pretty good except for Perriman which remains to be seen. I thought we built our team from the draft? Could be wrong?

PS- If we are not building from the Draft and we sure as hell don't have money to go shopping during Free Agency what do you suggest? We build from Draft it's the only way to get good players cheap. How do the Steelers constantly draft good WR and we can't even draft 1? Maybe Perriman is that guy? I sure as hell hope so and I know it is something I would love to see him do against the Steelers!

We could start by not burying ourselves in dead money situations. Then, perhaps stop whiffing on so many of our picks. There.....a start. And here is a stat for you.......5-11.

he is due $28 million which of course is insane but if the fo chooses to let him play at that cap # than they better pray monroe stays healthy for the whole season and they find a suitable replacement for osemele or enjoy seeing flacco on his back several times a game, enjoy watching him throw off of his back foot for int's a few times a game and enjoy watching him get injured again.

He is not due $28 million. And I agree w/a few other posters....maybe keep him at that cap number. Re-writing yet another contract simply makes life a bit better in the short term. In a few years, we'll be having the same old conversations about the cap hit w/him yet again. Sooner or later, you have to pay the piper. The old "kick the can down the road" approach. Which, I have little doubt, they will do just that.

So, since Webb has stunk at corner, he`ll just be average at the safety position.
Is that what you mean by saying, Webb can be Even Better At Safety?

Nice translation.

Webby is a ball hawk plain and simple and people looking for the next Ed Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeed when he is rite under our very noses! Return kicks like Ed, field the ball inside the 20yd line like Ed and will do more!

So you think more kick returning is in Webb's future, it seems. As for me, I hope we can find other options. Not that he's bad at it.

Unbelievable.

I agree that Tucker is the only viable tag possibility. No other free agent is worth anywhere near the tag cost. I also hope we can sign Tucker w/out having to use the tag.

I've said it before and I'll say it again......and again. Signing Pitta to that last contract was the absolute dumbest contract in Ravens history. Bar none.

  4 hours ago, balfan23 said:

The guy said "of course thats not going to happen" ... so why beat him up? All he seems to be saying is, it would be nice, but it isn't going to happen, so it wouldn't appear he's living in a fantasy world. Court doesn't always have to be in session. 

Past history mostly. He's one of the guys going around saying guys we should sign as FAs despite the fact that those guys aren't actually going to be FAs.

We've discussed this at nauseum. If fans are expecting us to significantly upgrade WR via FA this offseason then disappointment should be expected. When guys like Travis Benjamin and Reuben Randle and among the best WRs available on the market, you know it's a bad market. And it's not like there's much expectation of quality WRs getting cut either.

 

Can you define for us mere mortal fans what "at nauseum" is?

  16 hours ago, NCMan said:

Too bad facts and stats don't back you up on that.

Umm, actually, literally all of them do.

Might want to actually look at the stats first...

Don't need to. You might want to word your statement differently, perhaps.

  3 hours ago, sami said:

I think Eisenberg is wrong. Defenses win Super Bowls. Sure Flacco had a great SB run but lets not forget the Defense stopped Manning and got the ball back for us and also stymied Brady.
Flacco hasn't had a 4000 yd season yet nor threw for over 25 tds in a season. He hasn't got the job done in "crunch time" consistently like an elite QB should, but hes good enough to win if our defense turns rabid like they used to be.

Yes, he needs a good defense. He just doesn't need a Broncos levelvet defense. We already know he doesn't because he's proven he can win without one, considering he hasn't had a Broncos level defense in his entire career.

Flacco at his worst is still significantly better than what we all saw from Manning this year.

Too bad facts and stats don't back you up on that.

There is actually a legit chance that the secondary could be a strength for us next year. We may draft a CB early, Jimmy Smith and Will Davis may be back at full strength, and if Wright can continue playing the way he did at the end of last season, we'll have solid starting corners and decent depth. I think Webb is going to be a good safety, but the other safety position is still a big question mark.

The other safety position is a big question mark? How's that?

  2 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

There is actually a legit chance that the secondary could be a strength for us next year. We may draft a CB early, Jimmy Smith and Will Davis may be back at full strength, and if Wright can continue playing the way he did at the end of last season, we'll have solid starting corners and decent depth. I think Webb is going to be a good safety, but the other safety position is still a big question mark.

will hill is a top ten safety in the league. the question mark is webb and if he can make a smooth transition to safety.

Here's to hoping Webb can stay healthy, too.....

I seem to remember how disappointed Davis was that he was drafted that late. I also remember how happy the Ravens were to get him that late, that he was "still available". I guess time will tell just how much he wants it. C'mon Carl, prove them all wrong! Best of luck to you and I hope you do just that in the coming seasons.

With all due respect to Doom and all the players that are going to play in the "game", I am one fan who won't be watching, since the game itself has become a huge joke. You honestly couldn't pay me to watch it. Have fun, Doom. Congrats!!

From what we saw of Aiken last season, I think he's worth a second round tender, that is, if we can afford it under the cap.