Sizzlebshu

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Ozzie just confirmed that Elflein was sniped from us and that's why we ended up with Wormley.  He didn't say Elflein but he said some offensive players were taken a pick or a few picks before we were up.  Elflein fits that perfectly.  

 

Yeah, but tbh I am glad that happened. That would have been a reach for need. The center class is terrible this year. 

Finally, we stopped drafting choir boys and we hit it out of the park (bowser, williams) 

We are going to need to with all the offensive talent the Bengals brought in 

3 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

 

Ozzie admitted, in not so many words, that he wasn't the best talent available. 

"He was the best player that we were going to take" 

This means that players with injuries (Foster, Allen, Mckinley) and players with character concerns (Foster, Conley) were off our board. 

We didn't have Howard rated higher because 

1. It takes a long time even for pro-ready TE. See Tyler Eifert. See Zach Ertz, Eric Ebron

s We have a lot of TE's and while none of them are reliable, we invested draft capital and aren't willing to give up on them. 

After that, give me a player who was better than Humphrey that went. I doubt you can. 

Not a bad pickup. Carr is solid if unspectacular. Should be an upgrade over Shareece Wright and should benefit from a scheme more friendly to his talents. 

Doesn't change the draft needs, but it may let us go pass rusher or offense in the first now. 

23 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

 

Barnett's time probably helped him if anything because at 4.88 while reportedly sick as a dog, he can probably improve on that at his pro day and beat the bench mark time of 4.8 for the position. Wouldve been nice to see him under that, but a close time might get him a pass given he was sick.

If all of this holds, I would expect reddick to go before barnett because barnett missed the cut off line. Taco's athleticism is also going to cause some serious issues for him. Again running above a 4.8 tends to raise red flags 

18 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I don't think Barnett's time really affects him at all,, everyone knew he isn't the most athletic guy out there and on top of that it was well known that he was sick while going through it so I think teams won't really hold it against him at all.

2

see above

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

Might be the most athletic TE group in combine history. I'm kinda disappointed were so crowded at TE already.

If the Ravens are smart, they will just ignore this and draft TE's anyway. No one we have is worth missing out on a group like this. I would not be upset at all if our first two picks were Howard and Engram. 

Talk about instant coffee on offense. 

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

And a bad combine is unlikely, he's gonna run a ridiculous 40 and test well in all the agility drills and will probably do good on strength testing too. 

He is undersized a bit so he may drop due to that but I see him as a top 50 selection myself. 

On 1/17/2017 at 4:50 PM, Italian Raven said:

Jeremiah also forgot Lawson, Cunningham, Eflein in his top 50 and wrote about McKinley that he " ... is at his best when he's shooting gaps and relying on his quickness. Overall, McKinley could struggle on run downs but he's a major force on passing downs."
Can struggle on run downs? lol 
DJ and Mayock have really started to lose some ground lately. 

1

Incorrect

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kaufusi can actually bend he edge quite well. He's got a brutal under hook and great burst off the line and when he pairs them right he's been unstoppable, that was in college though of course.

2

read that as almost never

5 hours ago, mc_red23 said:

Reuben Foster will be gone well before we pick. 

Probably, but it's not unheard of that a guy like him drops solely due to his position. Mosely dropped to 17. Given Ozzie had a top 10 grade on him, I highly doubt Mosely dropped for talent related reasons. 

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Hooker wouldn't be my first choice with the first round pick, but I won't complain if we get him. We'd finally have a great, rangy center-fielder again. I like Weddle, but he's better when he's focused on one side or the other, or in the box. Hooker would really improve our secondary. Also, while his lack of experience is a bit troubling, the Ravens are in a good position to get him up to speed quickly with Weddle and Frazier coaching him up.

 

So having two rangy center fielders would allow us to vary the coverages more and allow for pressure from every part of the field.

Sign me up 

On 1/1/2017 at 11:37 AM, GrimCoconut said:

 

It depends for whom you're trading up to get and who knows if that's the case? It's hard to say because perhaps we don't take Kaufusi? It's hard to say how our draft changes using these examples. 

 

No it doesnt. Again numbers in the aggregate tend to show this. Trading up only amplifies risk. Let's take last year's draft as an example. 

The titans traded down to 15 with the Rams. They then wasted picks and traded up to take Jack Conklin. At 15, they could have taken Taylor Decker who has been a similar caliber of player, but costs roughly half the draft value. 

On 12/31/2016 at 7:07 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Why reach at all? Let's trade up and get THE guy instead of getting guys! We need to stop playing with fire and start being aggressive with getting our top guys 

 

bad post statistically speaking

Tbh Morningwig didn't get a fair shot given the only system installed was Trestman's quicks systems. Morningwig has shown he is better and more balanced when given the opportunity so Im not totally opposed to giving him a year as hed get to install his own playbook. 

However, I'd like to see Den QB coach or Greg Roman i.e. someone with a real emphasis on running the ball creatively to get the job. 

edit wrong thread. 

But Pees did fine this year in most aspects. Only real flaw was not varying where the pressure was coming from. Can't blame him for that. 

For anyone that has ever said Aiken was a decent receiver 

LOL Told You So 

Wallace shouldn't be brought back in all honesty and I doubt he will be. He hasn't played at nearly a high enough level to justify 5 mil. Further, we drafted Chris Moore to replace him so I think that's what we do there. 

26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

We never left the BPA strategy.

Basically, here is the typical hindsight fan logic:

A draft pick that works = we used BPA strategy

A draft pick that didn't work = we reached

I do love how fans usually wait several years to apply these designations, and of course, even then they are mostly wrong.

 

You.... I like you... 

14 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Need to stop reaching to fill needs in early rounds, that's what seems to be killing us - Elam, Maxx, Brown, 

Jusr go straight up BPA even if it's at a stacked position first 3 rounds 

we need to just be taking the best player available and making it work

we should be trying to fill holes before we get to the draft - then we can just go bpa - maybe look at addressing needs in later rounds and then just let those guys compete for the job, with the guys we've already brought in

i look at somebody like Jesse James for Pitt, did a pretty good job for them on the weekend 5th round pick same year we take Maxx in 2nd

really didn't feel Maxx was bpa, thought we reached to fill a need 

could we have just taken bpa on our board at that point who knows we had their - guys like Marcus golden, frank Clark, quinton Rollins, 

we just need to be taking whoever we feel is the most talented guy when we pick or if we really think somebody is extra special regardless of need or not - go up and get him

then come rounds 4 onwards guy grabs at areas of need who can compete for starting jobs

we added young, judon, Lewis, Boyle was a 5th rounder year before

the year we took breshad - Stefon Diggs goes in the 4th

BP may have been our BPA at that point but maybe we end up with somebody else who doesn't fill a need but is a difference maker

we just need difference makers, regardless of position or need

we need to start nailing our first 3 picks

 

10

Negging this because its a horrible post

Ozzie flat out told us Elam was the BPA. So this is not a reach. 

Brown and Maxx were misses not reaches. They traded up to get these guys meaning they had a significantly higher grade on them than where they were in the draft (I believe they said they had a top 40 grade on Williams and the Steelers confirmed we sniped them meaning that they had a high grade on them too). 

Frank Clark was never going to be drafted by us due to his character concerns. Golden was a miss by multiple teams not just us. He outplayed his draft spot. Jury is still out on Rollins. 

Diggs is an outlier and has been very injury prone. 

No chance we get him 

3 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

He also had 4 years, I was never a fan of KC but as a rookie he deserves another 2 or so years to establish his role on the team.

He was suppose to be "instant coffee" 

but I guess he was since the pick certainly left a profanity deleted taste in my mouth 

1 hour ago, Moderator 2 said:

Can the Ravens beat the Bengals?

I hope not. Bench everyone and throw the game please. 

24 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

He's a bust and the idiot who put a star next to his name should lose his job 

Q4E also this thread should be locked and every post but this one should be deleted

He's a bust and the idiot who put a star next to his name should lose his job 

We will re-sign our own guys and maybe make 1 or 2 depth signings. 

Take the points