frozen joe flacco fan

SSS embodies what an NFL player is supposed to be. He is one mentally and physically tough individual. What a role model for our community and NFL fans everywhere! His greatness proves that a man's stature is not defined by his height but by the size of his heart. Come back for one more year, Steve!! Please????

I thought Joe's QB rating was pretty good today. Wasn't it around 100? Unfortunately, the Time of Possession was lop-sided in Dallas' favor. We ran only 25 plays in the second half and had the ball for only 10:11. The total TOP was 36:03 for Dallas and 23:57 for us. There is usually a good correlation between TOP and winning. In any case, the best defense is a good offense. Dallas proved that to be true. In other words, when the other team has the ball its hard for us to score. They beat us by sustaining drives in the second half. Dak Prescott may well be the NFL's MVP by year's end but he wasn't the MVP in this game. Ezekial Elliott was. Did The Elite Aaron Rodgers carry his team on his back last night 'gainst the Skins or was he layin on his back due to his patchwork O-line? How much does he earn? What's Green Bay's record? C'mon man! I thought you were a Defensive Mind?!

No. Here's what matters. Our record is 5-1 in games this year when we have held our opponents to 20 points or less. In games when our opponents scored more than 20 points, our record is 0-4. There was only one game when we held the opposition to less than 20 points and still lost by a score of 16-10 and that should have been in the win column were it not for some stupid mistakes on our part. This thread is ridiculous. Its not about Joe; its about the defense. Joe played today with his 7th different O-line. Ray Lewis' analysis didn't mention that. If Joe had a weapon like Ezekial Elliott, his QB rating would have been off the charts today. Did you see the kid leap frog over Tavon Young? AND let's face it - the last Dallas TD would have been picked off by a decent D-back.

Frankly, Mac, the above-mentioned coaches' decision-making has nothing to do with the argument about going for it on 4th and 1. Some of them have been very successful in similar situations and others have not. Your good ole buddy Harbs has not and that's why our record is as mediocre as it is. There is one thing that is clear cut and black & white, to use one of your favorite trite expressions and that is John's poor decision-making. Quite frankly, your list of coaches demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge of the sport. None of the coaches you have mentioned except Belicheat could come close to the exploits of some really great coaches named Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Parcells and Gibb just to name a few. I don't know what your coaching resume looks like but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You could do a better job of coaching this team than Harbs. If you are selected for the job, be BOLD and just take the points on 4th and 1 until we get a decent O-line. Its black & white or in your case black and purple.

I think we need to give Joe his props. In the 2nd half, this was the Joe Flacco of old. He threw a good mix of timing passes and crossing patterns and even threw some bullets into double coverage. He also completed 30 passes to a lot of different receivers. He is still protected by a makeshift O-line and we'll have to wait and see what the loss of Alex Lewis will mean. Yeah, this is the same Joe Bazooka, Jersey Joe, Mighty Joe, Joe Cool & January Joe we've come to know despite the doomsday Flacco antagonists on this blog. I submit there are many NFL teams, including Hue Jackson's, who would love to have Joe. Once he overcomes the psychological side of his major injury, he'll be better than ever. Remember how long its taken Jimmy Smith to get back from his lis franc foot injury? Joe is one of the toughest competitors in the league and that's a fact. I just read about the 50 most unreliable QBs in the NFL and some of the greatest QBs ever are listed as the 50 most unreliable. Many of them had an interception percentage around 5%. Give Joe a break. Like I've said, he's elite, period. If we do not make it to the playoffs, you can question the head coach and the O-line but not Joe. IMO, Joe has cost us one game this year; John Harbaugh has cost us three games.

GOOD: Defense & special teams BAD: Offense and stupid penalties UGLY: Joe's slide

I find this thread very amusing and here's why. Let me start by stating U know I'm a huge fan of Joe Flacco's. That being said, Joe's problems this year are obviously a mental thing. He is playing scared as some of you have astutely noted. As much as I admire Joe, I would have benched him yesterday after the interception. He also hung a receiver out to dry. The argument about whether a great QB can make a receiver great is an interesting question but it is academic. Joe Flacco didn't make Anquan Boldin and Steve Smith into great receivers. BTW, the reverse is also true. In other words, great receivers do not make QBs great. However, great QBs do make great receivers better. Take Raymond Berry for example. If statistics are correct, he dropped three passes in his entire career which spanned a long time. The Ravens have had some receivers who have dropped three passes in one game. One can argue why Ray Berry only dropped three passes in his career but I doubt that he would tell you that John Unitas didn't have anything to do with it.

I dont even know why im giving such a long response. Your point makes zero sense. Actually i dont even know what the point was, so im kinda rambling. If you want to put a million dollars down with me on any 1 random play, you win if the D doesnt give up a single yard, and I win if the offense gets at least a yard - youre on. Oh, and btw we're going to do that, "doubling or nothing" it 4 straight times. And oh, btw if I get at any point in those 4 turns 1 yard, thats it, its over. Only I get another shot at double or nothing if I lose. Fair odds? Like your chances? To BOLDnPurPnBLACK: If only you had been SF's coach instead of Jim Harbaugh, I'm sure the Niners would have scored! Its easy to call the play on your Madden Football game, isn't it? However, in the real world, the highly paid professionals on the Ravens offense and the highly paid pros on the Niners offense could not score a TD on 4th and goal from the 1 yard line. The big difference in the two situations is this. Jim Harbaugh went for it because he had to. John Harbaugh went for it even though he didn't have to. That's called situational decision-making by those of us who have coached football. I would agree with you that the Ravens should be able to score a TD in that situation but they have consistently demonstrated a propensity to fail. Take the points unless there is no choice at the end of the game. I know that's hard for you to understand in your black and wjite world but it is that simple. BTW, the Seahawks would have won that game had it not been for a great play by Malcolm Butler beating the receiver to the POA. PS - You really need to learn how to condense your ranting, rambling posts.

As I see it, both of Joe's pics against the Jets were on him. They occurred just after he set a franchise record for consecutive passes thrown without a pic. They occurred because he is playing scared and is desperate to make a play and because nobody else is making the plays. Your statistics are very compelling but they do not tell the whole story. The most fascinating thing about your stats is that none of the QBs mentioned in your post have even played in a Super Bowl. Before SSS, Ronnie Stanley and Marshall were hurt, Joe had multiple weapons and the O-line played adequately. So, why have the others you mentioned had more success this year than Joe? IDK. The biggest difference I see between Joe and the QBs you have cited is in their mobility. They are more mobile and Joe is more of a pocket passer. When he has to scramble, its a problem and his recent ACL/MCL injury compounds that problem because he apparently has not fully recovered from the psychological side of the injury. As you know, I'm a Joe Flacco advocate and its hard to be objective. Its probably time to bench Joe until his head is right and the O-line is playing as a unit. Let's see what Ryan Mallett can do!

BYE, John!

BINGO& WOW! This may be the first time I've agreed with you, rmcjacket23. Harbs is known as a good motivator. He's not an X's and O's coach like McCarthy, Belichek or Arians for example. He couldn't call the plays if his life depended on it, offensively or defensively. So, you've just made the case for why he should go. If he can't motivate these guys, then who can? The answer is nobody because motivation comes from within. AND, yes, motivation and morale setting are different managerial techniques. If the team's morale is bad, its Harbs' fault. If the players lack motivation, its their own fault. Finally, the essence of management is three things: 1) Selection, 2) Evaluation & 3) Delegation. The first two are jointly the responsibility of the front office, the owner and the head coach and speak for themselves. The third key element of management, as it relates to the team, is the sole responsibility of John Harbaugh. It would be interesting to know whether some of his assistants, named Kubiak, Pagano, Caldwell and Trestman, made some of the infamous decisions to go for it on 4th down instead of "taking the points" or whether the head coach didn't trust them enough to delegate these key decisions. My point is this. I don't grade Harbs very high in any of the three areas. I have concluded that he inherited the nucleus of a very good team from Brian Billick and the Ravens finally drafted a franchise QB. Since his arrival, his part in the selection, evaluation areas and his delegation to his assistants has been less than stellar. As great of a motivational speaker as Vince Lombardi was, it wasn't his pep talks that made him a great coach. Rather, it was his vast knowledge of the game.

Mental mistakes are the result of a lack of discipline. Physical mistakes are excusable; mental errors cannot be tolerated. What happened on Sunday to Timmy Jernigan was a classic example of a mental mistake. In his youthful exuberance, he just tried to do too much. He explained it by saying the next time he'd fall on the ball to keep peace in the family. Can you imagine what Ray Lewis would have said to Timmy? It might go something like this: "But Timmy, there may not be a next time. You are extremely fortunate to be playing on an NFL team. Play each game like its your last. Play lie a Raven." The mental errors that Joe Flacco made on the two interceptions were equally bad, if not worse. John Harbaugh puts up with too much nonsense IMO. We need a no nonsense coach. I don't blame Timmy or Joe for their complacency or exuberance. I blame their position coaches and their head coach. That's how "we" fix the mental mistakes!

We scored on a botched punt in the 1st half. We failed to penetrate the red zone. Morgan Cox, Sam Koch and Justin Tucker were the only ones who competed on Sunday. We weren't competitive in either half. The Jets outplayed us in nearly every phase of the game. You can say whatever you want but you can't say we were competitive. As Vince Lombardi once said, "competition doesn't build character; it exposes it," and our character was certainly exposed last Sunday. The play of Alex Lewis and Jeremy Zuttah was pathetic at best.

In order to win, a team must first be competitive. On Sunday, we were not even competitive against one of the poorest teams in the league. Of course, the responsibility is shared. The O-line stunk like a skunk and that's bad. The penalties, while fewer, were stupid ones and were indicative of an undisciplined team. A long run by Terrance West was negated by one of those costly penalties. We gained less than 10 yards on the ground. We didn't get into our opponent's red zone once. The team lacks a killing instinct. Again, we got off to a 10-0 lead and could not build on the lead. The depth chart on this team is extremely shallow. Just fill in the blanks here. The Ravens are a(n) _______ team, coached by a(n) ________ head coach. I have filled in the blanks but will keep my answers to myself. Mike Florio of PFT picked the Ravens as the AFC representative in this year's SB before this season began. After the Jets game, he stated on his weekly show "BTW, the Ravens stink." John Harbaugh cannot, I repeat, cannot motivate his players because that comes from within. He is only responsible for providing an environment that is conducive to motivating them. He is, however, the most responsible for maintaining the morale of the team 'cause that starts at the top and trickles down through the ranks. If you don't believe it, just ask anyone who has served in the military. For the first time in 4 weeks, there was nothing John Harbaugh could have done on Sunday that would have made a difference with the possible exception of knowing the rule about spotting the ball after a blocked FG attempt. We simply were not competitive. To whom, if not "Harbs", does the responsibility of fielding and coaching a competitive team belong? I suggest two people are jointly responsible: one is a so-called wizard; the other is not. It has been suggested by some fans and pundits that if the team's fortunes can be turned around, then John's future is secure. Certainly, there is still time to turn the season around. Unfortunately, I see nothing to suggest that the team's fortunes will turn around in the second half of the season.

AND if "Ifs and buts were candy and nuts what a Merry Christmas it would be!" Its sad that some of you armchair QBs cannot see the forest for the trees. Its even sadder that the head coach can't see the forest for the trees. IF we had kicked a FG instead of going for it on 4th & 1 earlier, the overthrow, errant or intentional, would have stopped the clock and given Justin Tucker the opportunity to kick another game-winning FG. Instead, a coach desperate to win a game panicked and a huge swing in momentum occurred. At the end of the game, we did not have the option of scoring a FG or a TD. That's the difference! It was the head coach's fault, not Joe's or Mike's.

Joe Flacco and Ben Rothlisberger are both tough hombres. You would be hurt too if you were hit six times by a Giants team that was one of the worst in the league in terms of sacks. If Eugene Monroe had been half as tough as his QB, Joe would not have been injured last year and Monroe would still be our starting LT . Our O-line is average at best and woeful at worst. The front office deserves all of the credit for creating this patchwork, makeshift line to protect one of the premier QBs in the NFL. Whether or not Stanley becomes another Jon Ogden remains to be seen; the jury is still out. Time will tell. Until the O-line issues are resolved, Joe's skill set will be under-utilized and he will suffer more injuries as tough as he may be. Thanks, Oz!

I find the bottom line of your quote somewhat amusing and here's why. If I accept the premise that our beloved Ravens should have scored on 4th & 1 because they are "highly paid pros," it follows logically that the Giants should be able to stop them because they are "highly paid pros." With all due respect, its not as plain & simple as you would want it to be. Remember a similar situation in the 2012 Super Bowl when our highly paid professionals stopped the highly paid professionals from SF?

NO. I would say its poor coaching. I saw your earlier analysis that proved nothing. But then, you would probably line your high school soccer kicker up as a left-footed kicker like Harbaugh did to fool the Redskins. C'mon man!

He absolutely can weigh the consequences of something and then make a decision based on his gut feeling if that's his management style. Whether its the most effective approach is another question. It just seems to me that gut feelings are based more on emotion and "what if" thinking is based more on logic. I think Harbaugh is an emotional sort of guy. If you saw pictures of him toward the end of the game, it looked like he was scared. It was definitely not a confident look IMHO. A coach must exude confidence if he wants his players to be confident. In the final analysis, its up to the owner to decide whether Coach Harbaugh's style is effective or not but I've already reached a conclusion. What is his record since the Super Bowl? I think he inherited a team with some great players named Lewis, Reed, Flacco, Boldin, Pitta et al and he was the beneficiary. He's won the same number of SBs as Coach Billick won. It will be interesting to see who he will choose to make the next scapegoat if we lose to the Jets. First, it was Justin Forsett. Next it was Marc Trestman. Will it be Joe Flacco, Jerry Rosberger or Dean Pees? Stay tuned for the next episode of "As the Ravens Turn."

Your points are well taken. I would agree wholeheartedly that a team should be able to score given four chances from inside the 5 yard line. Here is where we differ. I have zero confidence that John Harbaugh (a highly paid professional) did what you just did in your post, that is, engage in "What if" thinking before making his decision. He admits freely that he makes decisions based on his gut feeling. I wonder how his gut is feeling right now? The head coach's primary responsibility is to put his team in the best position to win the game. He must take into consideration what happens if they do not score the TD. He must also know the percentages like a baseball manager does. How successful has the team been in the red zone? We have one of the worst scoring percentages in the NFL That's a fact. It was better IMO in that situation for us to come away with 3 points in the 1st half and make the score 14-13 than to do what he did. I want to believe that he is more concerned about winning than just beating the point spread against the Giants. We as fans have the luxury of betting against the spread (hypothetically, of course). Coach Harbaugh does not. I was not impressed by the playcalling, execution or coaching in that situation. I would assume the head coach has veto authority on the playcall and the decision whether to go for it. If I did things just because I had a gut feeling without listening to what my brain tells me to do, I'd be in real trouble. It is plain and simple, but its not black or white. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream. We don't all think alike, do we? You and rmcjacket23 are entitled to your opinions and I'm entitled to mine. Thanks for the dialog!

Our problem on defense isn't a lack of communication or the coverage. Its playmakers. We just don't have them. Did you see the Honey Badger jump a route last night and make an interception. Our drafting has been woeful at best, dating back to before the SB in 2012.

Its too early to call him a bust but at the rate he's going he'll never have one in Canton! I think he'll be fine. It is my understanding that Raymond Berry of our beloved Baltimore Colts dropped three passes in his entire NFL career. If that is not the case, I stand corrected.

I thought my arguments for letting our Pro Bowl kicker get us three points in two different scenarios were more cogent than the negative outcome in both game situations but then it is incumbent on you to understand the meaning of cogent. Coming away from one's opponent's goal line with zero points is what they call a morale buster in the business of football. It is also a morale booster for the opponent. Any coach worth her or his salt knows that with the possible exception of your buddy Harbs. My post was based on logic. Yours defies logic and appeals to emotion. As far as calling me and others who disagree with you "clowns" it takes one to know one but the real Court Jester is the current head coach of the Ravens who stands on the sidelines with his index finger on his mouth. Thanks for the dialog.

Its just my opinion but he has a tendency to make bone-headed decisions in the 1st half of a lot of games when the ultimate outcome of the game is still very much in question. He seems to be desperate. I would have no problem with him making the same decisions when the game is on the line in the final minutes. That's just situational decision-making. Great football coaches generally believe that the only reason a team plays the first half of a game is to get to the 2nd half when the games are usually decided. As long as the game is close at half-time, who cares what the score is. The score should have been 14-13 at halftime and the final score would probably have been 29-27 with the Ravens on top.

Its a pipe dream to think we'll go 10-6 or even 9-7 now.