Valid1

Along with concerns about him being physically up to talent level of the NFL Scooby also has a really substantial injury history. 

14 hours ago, margar500 said:

At the end of day I trust the work that the scouts, Ozzie, and Eric put in. Hours and hours of work, lol surely they know better than what we are able to analyze from YouTube. Stanley is a dancing bear that can be plugged in at either tackle position or left guard on day 1. Guys we just may have a Top 5 offense line now and look at the running backs on our roster. Monroe has missed 15 games man and hurst was terrible I'm sorry. We drafted young physical prospects that can dominate in the trenches in our picks. We got what looks to be an awesome nickel corner. We did solid guys we added lots of depth and skill we will be back in the playoffs I just know it.

I don't mean to single you out but this is a mentality that I want to talk about. Why do you feel that way? What have the Ravens done in the draft in the Harbaugh era that inspires all this confidence. That first year was great, taking home a franchise QB and star running back one and two is huge but was that a tremendous scouting success? I'll give you Ray Rice but we traded back to the end of the 1st round and had to trade back up to the 17 spot to pick Flacco. If our FO had believed that Flacco could be what he has become that was incredibly stupid! You're going to risk a franchise changing QB for the tiny value of some extra picks. Crazy. 

Every year since 2008 we've been middling to bad with our draft classes. Isn't 8 years of poor production enough to make a change. It's a Ravens motto to never pay for past production but isn't that exactly what we've been doing with this front office for the past 5 years? I'm being serious. Can someone here defend the past half decade of Ravens drafts?

Those questions are why I don't just go "In  Ozzie We Trust" when I see a clearly superior talent, and yes Spence is a far better prospect than Correa, passed on for nebulous reasons. If they came out and said that they liked Spence better on tape but think that they have a better chance of Correa working out due to off field stuff or coachability fine, I'd disagree with that but fine. They say "he was higher on our board" which if true, and based off of past play, is incredibly discouraging. That kind of poor player assessment tanks franchises. And when you look at the way we've been bleeding out talent in the past 5 years it seems like bad talent assessment may in fact be the problem. 

Man this draft was night and day. After a top 3 rounds of taking safe picks and overdrafting we come back with a day 3 filled with great value, home run hitters. High potential guys like Keenan Reynolds and Canady are what the 6th round was made for. Judon is probably the best value of the whole draft, if Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack don't pan out due to injury. Late 4th RB in Dixon who has the chance to compete as our #1. I really hate the Chris Moore pick and don't know too much about Alex Lewis but otherwise a pretty great day.

Overdrafting a dude who would have been there in the 6th. He would have been there that late because he's a not so fast speed threat that can do nothing but run 9s and drop footballs. That Ravens belief that their coaching staff can consistently craft every raw player into a starter is going to bite us again. If not for Flacco this team wouldn't have gone above 4-12 any season after the superbowl.

  18 minutes ago, Valid1 said:

So now we get to regret not getting Tunsil AND not getting Noah Spence for the next decade. Ozzie is done y'all. Hasn't had a good draft since 08' and I'd say 8 years of sub standard player acquisition is enough to call it a day.

I'm not saying you're right, but IF you were right how is one trait enough to damn the man? Do you know what he does? Daily?

Wow. Are you actually suggesting that we ignore the draft when assessing our general manager? That's 70% of the job.

I'm glad to see that there is a consensus otherwise. We need star players and acquired 2 starting caliber guys with limited upside. That's a poor haul for the best draft position of the decade.

Noah Spence

So now we get to regret not getting Tunsil AND not getting Noah Spence for the next decade. Ozzie is done y'all. Hasn't had a good draft since 08' and I'd say 8 years of sub standard player acquisition is enough to call it a day.

My Red Stars: Laquon Treadwell, Tyler Boyd, Noah Spence, Joey Bosa

My Black Dot: Leonard Floyd, Eli Apple, Will Fuller, Christian Hackenberg

Garret's draft is believable and would be a pretty big success for the Ravens if it came to be. Lots of need addressed and high upside guys picked up here.

Mink's draft is bad in about every way it could be. It other words it is very much like everything else to spring from Ryan Mink's mind. Just terrible.

Tyler Boyd, Noah Spence, William Jackson III, Cyrus Jones, Yannick Ngakoue = Steals

Leonard Floyd, Eli Apple, Will Fuller, Michael Thomas = Busts

Ronnie Stanley, Deforrest Buckner, Reggie Ragland = Alright Starters who will get nowhere near living up to draft hype

^^Do you have any opinions on Leonte Carroo? People I respect have said good things but I haven't seen any of him yet. 

The Ravens usually wait until draft day to squash my hopes of a good WR early in the draft. Mike Wallace is the death knell for that idea, though knowing this FO that weren't going to happen anyway. Damn shame as Treadwell will be the last time we have any chance at a WR of his caliber for the next decade at least. The worst part about all of it isn't that we're overpaying or even that Wallace likely won't produce, it's that I still really hate this guy from his time with the Steelers and have been really enjoying his sputtering out of the league. Now I don't even have that. 

The extension is two decades shorter than I'd like it to be but I suppose this will do for now. Love you Joe.

What are you talking about? Some routes are occasionally rounded but Treadwell has the best foot work in the class. Add that he consistently gained separation at the highest level of college competition to the fact he is still only 20 and I think he would easily be the best WR the Ravens have ever had.

Also that was a garbage 40. I thought DV suspects weren't invited to the combine?

To me, Jack is a MLB and I view that as the most fungible posistion in the modern NFL. The difference between having a Luke Keuchley or having a Malcolm Smith isn't the difference in having a Von Miller vs a  Courtney Upshaw, a Kamar Aiken vs an AJ Green, or a Kendrick Lewis vs a Eric Weddle. 

I'd be upset with Buckner or Jack out of those names. Tunsil, Treadwell, Ramsey, Bosa, Spence, and Jaylon Smith are the class of the draft to me. Obviously Smith is off the table due to injury and Tunsil is almost certainly going #1 so if we take home one of Ramsey, Bosa, Treadwell, and Spence I'll be happy. 

Come on guys, this is the pass rusher thread. 

I think there is some real talent in the mid late rounds with guys like Kamalel Correa, Eric Striker, Yannick Ngakoue, and Charles Tapper. Striker I like particularly because if he washes out as a OLB I could see him being tossed inside to MLB with some success. 

If a crummy combine leads to Spence falling to the 2nd and Boyd falling to the 3rd it's been a very good week.

I don't think there is any mystery that the Ravens' FO wants Jaelen Ransey. Not sure who the other guy would be. 

2 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, VH3, Stanley, Treadwell, J.Smith, Lynch. In no order.

I agree with you on Tunsil and Ramsey. I'd say it's say it's a toss up between Bosa, Treadwell, and Spence with Treadwell and Bosa being by far the safer while Spence has a bit higher upside. J.Smith might be in the conversation as a better prospect as well if it weren't for the injury.

2 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

If we trade back that far I wouldn't mind picking him up. But there's no way he is top 6 drafted or even top 10.

Seriously, who are the 10 guys more talented, better scheme fits then Spence? I don't see them.

Treadwell

Spence

Ramsey

Bosa

Tunsil

Anyone of them would be a pick I'd be happy with but that's my order of preference.

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I fully agree with all this I'm not calling Spence weak just saying that right now he has no power to his game so it's hard to tout him for his power

That's totally fair. I'm just really excited about the guy. It's rare for someone to even show the potential to play up to the caliber of a Miller or Mack.

For me the only pass rush options at 6 are Spence and Bosa. Spence is a brilliant scheme fit with a sky high ceiling but Bosa is Amari Cooper levels of safe pick. 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What power are you referring to though? The kid has a lot of work to do before he can be considered any type of powerful. He gets washed when engaged with blockers and can only win on plays when he is able to keep hands off of him completely. 

 

Btw I respect that someone understands the difference between a party drug and a everyday abuse drug. Most on the boards seem to think ecstasy is on par with crack lol

 To be sure Spence's main attribute is speed. He's slippery with great pursuit. Actually that's probably my main problem with him. He doesn't pace himself and can run a little low on gas in the 4th quarter. His power shows up in brief flashes with punch and on the rare occasion a tackle squares him up. He also got great reportrs of getting to RBs and pushing through blocks at the senior bowl which tells me that the power part of his game may be more undeveloped than non existent. Hopefully playing next to guys like Suggs and Doom would teach him how to use the strength I think he has.

If we're ignoring red flags I don't see a real argument for Buckner as the superior prospect.  Spences speed and power put it in the caliber rusher as the best in the league. And honestly I think we should totally ignore the drug concerns for Spence.  Ecstasy it is a party drug that doesn't have the routine ritualized use of marijuana or the addictive properties of something like Coke. He was just a kid having fun in college.  I don't see that projecting to be any real reasonable concerns as a pro .

Spence would be a good pick at 6, better than Hargreaves. He's worth the risk of an undersized guy with light hands when you see the Speed and strength he has. The dream of Spence in the 2nd round died at the senior bowl.