GENE2407

I think that's cutting it very short. He had one bad season (mediocre actually) in six years. He was an all-pro type player. He was still only 28 and no one is washed up that quickly (that wasn't dealing with a half dozen serious injuries). Let's call it what it is............the league mandated that they turn their backs on him forever.

Let's draft only guys from Harvard and Yale. Yeah, that lasted a whole one full season. I think people realize their jobs are at stake now.

The blame for the past few years is simple........bad drafts, bad contracts. Since 2010 we lost most of our all-pro players to age. During that time we've had very poor drafts and we've also given out some very bad high dollar contracts that tied up tons of money (Monroe, J Smith, Webb, Ngata, Flacco). So all it's gonna take are some good drafts in general (offense or defense) and to cut loose some of these salaries (we've already begun that process).

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive. I would not bet on John getting a head job in the NFL. He'll have to go back to college. John done nothing since Ed and Ray left but fire coaches and Kubiak proved the players were not the problem. The failed draft picks also signed part of John's fate. I don't see John going anywhere. The wheels would have to completely come off. Joe on the other hand is going to get beat up in more ways than one. Right or wrong. You do realize that your inability to be objective puts a lot of your comments in the irrational zone. You are so eager to hate everything the Ravens coaches and FO do, that you are unable to realistically view them the way that the rest of the league does. And of course there are guys on the other side of the objectivity spectrum too. They are the "purple koolaid" guys, but because you are sooo far on the other side of the spectrum, you label the people who make rational and objective comments as homers. Some of the things you say are just not based in any type of reality. Rex Ryan got a head coaching job right after the Jets let him go. And his time with the Jets was far less impressive than Johns. Andy Reed is in the same boat. John has made it to the playoffs a higher percentage of the time than Reed did in Philly. He has won a Superbowl, and has won the same amount of playoff games in 9 years, than Reed did in 14 years with the Eagles. And there are countless other examples of coaches having far less success than John, that have become a head coach for another team the season after they have gotten fired from another team. It is completely fair to talk about moving on from Jim and other guys in the FO if we dont have a good season. It is completely relevant and rational discussion to have. But to think that their wont be any teams that will be in line for JHs services as a head coach just isn't based in reality. But on top of that you are saying that he will have to go back down to the college level to get a job and thats crazy. And on top of that when you wrote this we were only 3 rounds into the draft with more than 3 months till the first game starts and you think we should throw in the towel already because Joe is going to get "beat up" because we didnt draft an OL in the first 3 rounds. You are wrong in this case the vast majority of the time because of your bias. And than every so often you say something really interesting and insightful that makes a lot of sense only to fall off the rails again. My beef with Harbaugh would center around the coordinators, not players. I'll always reference the Cam Cameron situation as an example of John being way WAY too loyal and stubborn to coord's that suck. Right now we can do a lot better than Morningwig and Pees, but he won't make a move until they fall flat on their faces and the backlash from the fans grows to a revolt.

It's going to take several drafts to fix this team. I'm ok with using this year on defense......it would have to be done at some point. Next year hopefully they'll draft mostly offense. It's going to take a lot more than a pick or two to fix that offense. It is absolutely void of blue chip talent (other than Yanda, who's a freakin guard).

To be quite honest, with Mohrningweg retained, I see no reason to really expect anything from the O. With Steve Smith, Juszczyk, Wagner and Aiken gone, I cannot see a stronger Ravens offensive roster for 2017, even if Ben Watson is healthy and we get either (or both of) Boldin or Mangold, and I haven't the slightest trust in Mohrninweg's alleged offensive system - therefore I see no reason to hope for a better O... and selecting no offensive weapon early in the draft hasn't really made a difference. Just look at the change this team had when Cam was fired. People just don't realize or believe that an offensive/def coordinator is just as important as the people playing on the field. I really don't like either one.........we had Pagano and Kubiak and got screwed out of both. We've been dumpster diving ever since.

I think you'd be crazy to believe you can fix this team in one draft, so I'm ok with them picking all defense, considering it will probably take an entire draft to fix the offense (not just a couple late, 4th round picks). So fix the damn defense this year, offense next year and add to the defense the following.

I hate both of our coordinators and don't think we're ever going to see our full potential until these are addressed.......

At $25m a year, Flacco needs to do more, period (see other $20+ QBs such as Brady & Rodgers).

I see more and more teams who are already loaded on offense, continue to take even more offensive players in the 1st round. Defense almost doesn't even matter anymore.

I still say Ozzie puts way too much stock in these 4th/5th rounders. If you're guy is sitting there in the 1st round and you only have to give up a 4th or 5th to get him, then do it. We could have had Ramsey last year and he wouldn't part with the pick to get him. We ended up with the 3rd best lineman in the draft despite having the #6 overall pick.

I'm clearly one of the negative ones about the pick. I've done a ton of studying, here's my opinion. We like him because, and he is fast and physical. He has good measurables, and looked good at the underwear olympics. And he went to Bama...yahoo? I'm bummed because, not only did we leave all pros on the board for this guy, but this corner class is insane. IMO, and a lot of others, there will be better corners coming off the board well more than a full round later. All that, but MORE importantly his play He doesn't have very good instincts or ball skills, which is a big bummer if you're a corner, especially the number 16 pick, in this class, esp playing at Bama and on that D as long as he did. But more importantly he gets torched down the field. He panics and doesn't play the ball or wr well when the ball is in the air. And this is the way I feel about that, and a lot of analyst agree. That's kind of an either you have it or you don't sort of thing. Goes along with instincts, it's not really something you can teach. I sincerely hope he can fix it, and I'm wrong about the pick overall, but that is a bad trait to take up against Brady and Ben. I also think corners like Awuzie, Tabor, King, Wilson, and others will easily be better than him. And they're still on the board. We could've gone for Sidney, cuz we're all set this year with 3 starters. Nothing to do about it now. We are all hoping I'm wrong. Friday is HUGE. And yeah, listening to Harbaugh talk about our players and team is Really old at this point. He just says what everyone wants to hear to say the least. I'm hoping to wait til January to hear him talk this Season There's nothing more frustrating than a guy who can blanket a receiver but has the ball sail past his earlobe and into the chest of the guy he's covering. Usually an instinctive thing and can't be taught. I'll have to see him play in August.

That's funny I live in Cleveland Ohio rite next door and the Ravens are the only team the squeelers respect! They have more respect for Ozzie and Co. than some of these so called Ravens fans! Like I said before if the Ravens make a run for the Super Bowl they gotta face the squeelers or pats and they both carve up secondaries so why not beef up the secondary like Ozzie and Co.are doing and did! "This is chess it ain't checkers" so sit back and let them do their jobs! Have you watched any tape on him, and I'm not referring to the highlight good stuff. Every analyst and fan can see that he gets beat deep. The stats even back it up. Big games, everything. Even on the best D in college, with an absurd front 7. Please tell me how a College starter that gave up 18 yards a catch as a starter, on that D, in college I repeat, is going to help vs Ben and Brady? Especially if he plays this year? He would've been an interesting option at 47 maybe. We've been playing checkers in the draft for a while. There's a reason we've been falling off, for a while now You'll be surprised at how good NFL coaching can change a player for the better. I never saw a lick of him playing, but it looks like he has all the physical tools (speed, height), so here's the big factor.....can you tell me if he can make plays on the ball in the air?

Those "safe" picks were complete whiffs. It's set us back, there's no getting around it. It's all started at Elam and things haven't gotten any better in years Actually it started with Ray Rice and Perriman. Now we can no longer draft any talented player ever again who isn't a holy roller. And the Perriman thing ruined us from ever taking another player with any kind of ding or potential injury. I always look at the upside ceiling and think, if you could snag an all-pro with that pick, it's still worth the risk.....rather than "settling" for a guy who's nice and less chance of missing games.

I applaud that the Ravens finally wised up and took a CB high in the draft. I see a lot negative posts about the guy here and don't know a thing about him yet. I will say we have to wait until his first game (not mini-camp or training camp where Harbaugh will gush about his practice being the next Deion Sanders). You will know almost immediately in those first couple games if he can really cover or not. Watch him on another team's #1 WR and we'll know what we have then.