8 minutes ago, January J said:Not sure why but I think peppers is a big faller. Early on I saw him in every single mock as a lock for the top ten and possibly even a top 6 pick....lately every mock I've seen has him from 19-30.. Don't even think there's a real reason. Its funny BC I could certainly see him being our pick as well...the need for a safety.. The need for another lb who can drop back in coverage after orr retiring - the harbaugh connection- and just his overall versatility. Not to mention it could knock out our revolving door of kick returners since the departure of Jacoby. That's an underrated need of ours not many have mentioned. I don't like the pick considering the other options that will be available but I def would understand it and hope for the best.
A lot of the problem is that he doesn't share the same traits as most LB/S tweeners because he has never really been an "enforcer" so to speak who is going to punish receivers at the catch point and he's never been the kind of player to lockdown a TE in coverage. I think ideally he becomes a solid free safety because his instincts are his best traits, but I think its hard to get the benefit of the doubt for a college safety who only recorded one INT in an entire college career.
Personally, I think that if he didn't have Heisman hype/Top Recruit hype and some crazy good return film, he probably would have been considered a Round 2 guy from the beginning. Time will tell what happens because so many teams would use him in so many different ways, but I like the guy and hopes he puts in the work.
Look up Takk McKinley's response if you're bored.
8 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:While I agree Foster may not drop to the Ravens that doesn't mean the Ravens don't potentially trade up. Plus who knows other players may drop him out of the top 10. There are a lot of good players that are rising up draft boards right now.
I don't see him getting past all of Tennessee, Cincinnati, New Orleans, Arizona and Indianapolis now that they cut D'Qwell Jackson.
Not sure I agree with all the decisions, but I do love the presentation of this mock offseason.
39 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:I only stated since this isn't a domestic violence situation which it has been consistently called and happened two years ago would The Ravens consider Joe Mixon. This is not me making light of the situation and me calling his past troubling or him having a "troubled past" is not me saying it's ok but if you or others want to call it more than that then why not. If anybody felt offended by my previous statement then I apologize especially to the women that participate or read these forums. My aim was not to make light of the situation but look at in a logical point of view and overall get feed back but maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all.
Aside from the classification issue, you might not be entirely wrong. Mixon kind of fits that Leveon Bell "patient" runner mold, so i wouldn't be surprised if he at least got an interview. But i also wouldnt be surprised if he was completely taken off the board. Either way, I think another team will end up taking him before the Ravens would even think about it.
Haason Reddick looks like lightning in a lot of his game film.
3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:I just don't see us passing on Solomon Thomas. I have a feeling he will be ranked very high on our board
Honestly that was the hardest decision for me when I was picking for the Ravens. I do like Thomas a lot.
Cleveland Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M. The Browns will take the best player in the draft with the top pick. It would be plainly unwise to reach for a QB here with a generational talent like Garrett on the board, and I think even the Browns FO would realize that.
San Francisco 49ers: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame. Kaepernick and Gabbert are both likely done in San Francisco and the team will have its pick of QB at this spot. Shanahan and John Lynch don’t have a body of work to predict a draft pick from, so this is a rough pick to project, but Kizer probably has the most physical talent of the QBs. With Shanahan coming from ATL, I’d predict a bridge year with Matt Schaub, while Kizer gets ready.
Chicago Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU. Chicago needs a game changer on defense. Jamal Adams is a complete safety who can make an impact against both the run game and the pass game. Adams is a rare safety prospect with a high floor and the Bears need a better secondary in a division with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford.
Jacksonville Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama: Allen is probably the second-best player in this draft. I think he can play every position on the line for Jacksonville, but will provide the Jaguars with a more consistent pass rush than Yannick Ngakoue and Dante Fowler can provide. I think that Jonathan Allen will develop into a Michael Bennett-like player and can be a staple on this defense for years to come.
Tennessee Titans: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan: Corey Davis has a remarkable body of work on the college level and I believe his hype will pick up closer to the draft and he’ll pass Mike Williams to become the first receiver taken in this draft. He is a tremendous route runner and is savvy in the open field- reminding me of Amari Cooper coming out of Alabama.
New York Jets: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State: Darrelle Revis is no longer an above average cornerback and his days in New York are likely finished. Buster Skrine does not have the talent to be anything more than a solid number two corner. Lattimore is a plus corner with great man coverage skills who could make an immediate impact in the Jets’ secondary. Christian Hackenburg is likely to get a shot next year, so that takes QBs off the table. Maccagnan is a smart GM who will recognize Lattimore’s value at this pick.
Los Angeles Chargers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State: The second Ohio State DB comes off the board here. The Chargers have a lot of talent in their secondary, but nobody has been able to fill the hole that was left by Eric Weddle. Hooker is a playmaker with great instincts and despite his health concerns, I still expect him to go in the top 10 of the draft.
Carolina Panthers: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU: Ron Rivera explicitly stated the need to have a rushing option to surpass Cam Newton as the team’s leading rusher. Fournette has the most hype of any running back in this draft and Dalvin Cook’s injury concerns will likely put him below Fournette on most teams’ boards.
Cincinnati Bengals: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee: Barnett is a powerful rusher with a great motor and will do great work for the Bengals in their pass rush rotation. I was tempted to mock Reuben Foster here, but I think that the Bengals feel confident in guys like Vincent Rey and Nick Vigil going forward if Maualuga and Burfict have any more issues.
Buffalo Bills: Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama: If Rex is still around, I’d mock Deshaun Watson to Buffalo, but he is not, so I’m putting the best player available in this spot. It’s hard to tell what Buffalo plans to do in free agency, so I won’t confidently try to assert what player goes here. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a trade down from this spot for Buffalo however.
New Orleans Saints: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida: New Orleans cannot afford to have the terrible secondary that plagued their defense this year again. Quincy Wilson has the tools to be a lockdown corner in the NFL and will likely be forced into an immediate starting role if he ends up in New Orleans. There will be some headaches, but Wilson can be a solid corner in the league.
Cleveland Browns: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina: The Browns take the Cleveland-native with the 12th overall pick. Trubisky has a tiny body of work and won’t be ready to takeover the starting role immediately. Trubisky fits the mold of QBs that Hue Jackson seems to like- he’s smart and generally very accurate, but won’t make as many “wow” throws starting out in the league.
Arizona Cardinals: David Njoku, TE, Miami : I do not think that there is a single position (outside of RB or CB) that the Cardinals would be okay passing on. The team has a lot of free agents about to hit the market, and an uncertain future at QB with Carson Palmer reportedly considering retirement. Assuming that Palmer stays and some key players like Shipley, Calais Campbell, and Chandler Jones end up back, I’m putting Njoku here. Njoku is a physical stud with a huge ceiling who I expect to have a great combine and a late rise up the draft board.
Philadelphia Eagles: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson: If Williams lasts this long, there is no way that the Eagles will pass on him. The Eagles are sore for a legitimate number one receiver- Jordan Matthews is a better slot guy, Dorial Green-Beckham has not been incredibly impressive and Nelson Agholor is a bust. Williams will be a bona fide number 1 receiver who will give Carson Wentz a great weapon to develop alongside.
Indianapolis Colts: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin: Rest assured- a couple years of Andrew Luck getting murdered on the field will lead to a reach for a lineman here. Ryan Grigson’s successor will not make the same mistakes he did. No matter what the Colts do, they will not be a genuine competitor until their glaring OL problems are addressed. Ramczyk is the best pass protecting tackle in this draft and can be a top-level right tackle in the NFL.
Baltimore Ravens: Sidney Jones IV, CB, Washington: The Ravens learned very quickly this season that they need a cornerback desperately. If the Ravens draft Jones, that would allow Tavon Young to move into the slot where his instincts and size would suit him better than playing on the perimeter.
Washington Redskins: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford: This is a huge fall for what I consider to be a great prospect. The Redskins have been very shrewd lately in the draft, and have been quite disciplined about avoiding reaches. Solomon Thomas is probably a 5-technique in the Redskins defense, with the potential ability to provide a Bosa-like pass rushing impact.
Tennessee Titans: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama: The Titans, despite their success, are going to need a better secondary if they want to make the push into the playoffs next year. Humphrey is not as polished as an Alabama player would be expected to be, but is a tremendous physical specimen who could be coached up in the NFL.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, HB, Florida State: Doug Martin is done in Tampa Bay and will likely be released shortly. Charles Sims is a receiving back who shouldn’t be counted on to handle the majority of the Bucs workload. Dalvin Cook is arguably the best back in this class and is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.
Denver Broncos: Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri: This is a great value/need pick. The Broncos have had their greatest success with a staple of great pass rushers. Demarcus Ware was a huge part of that rotation and with his likely departure, someone will need to step up. Charles Harris is a high quality edge talent who can make an impact in a rotation.
Detriot Lions: Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple: Reddick is a wild-card for me in this draft, but after the Senior Bowl performance he had, his stock couldn’t be higher. Reddick brings a lot to the table and could be the answer for the Lions linebacker and pass-rushing woes.
Miami Dolphins: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama: Howard is the best player available at this pick and the Dolphins do need a tight end with Jordan Cameron and Dion Sims both headed for free agency. Jordan Cameron can’t stay healthy and Dion Sims is not on the same level as a guy like Howard. Howard could take Miami’s offense to the next level and put them as a perennial wild-card contender in the AFC.
New York Giants: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan: JPP is leaving and the Giants are going to need someone to fill that spot. Charlton is raw, but fits the same mold as a large, physically imposing rush end.
Oakland Raiders: Malik McDowell, DL, Michigan State: McDowell falls under my current scenario because I have trouble honing in on what exactly he brings to the table. Oakland’s defense is diverse enough that I think McDowell will find a niche early and eventually develop into a full-time starter.
Houston Texans: Garrett Bolles, OL, Utah: The Texans for better or worse are married to Brock Osweiler for the foreseeable future, their best course of action would be to provide him the help he needs to be as successful as he possibly can. Derek Newton’s horrifying injury unfortunately creates a substantial need at right tackle. Bolles is a well-balanced tackle who has a terrific mean streak and good footwork.
Seattle Seahawks: Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky: No matter what happens, the Seahawks should take the best OL available at their draft position. Between a left tackle that hadn’t played the position since pop warner, the journeyman swing tackle, the first round bust and whatever college gymnast/fireman/nose tackle was scooped up as an undrafted free agent, there is not a competent lineman in the bunch. Lamp is a college tackle who best fits in the left guard spot for Seattle. Although almost any OL prospect available could upgrade a position on the Seattle line.
Kansas City Chiefs: Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama: I don’t think Kansas City has many needs, so I expect them to take the best player available. Dee Ford has been a disappointment for the Chiefs and won’t be relied upon to give Tamba Hali or Justin Houston a breather. I also don’t think that the Chiefs are as likely to be scared off by Williams’ off-field issues.
Dallas Cowboys: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State: A third Ohio State DB comes off the board here. The Cowboys are going to be out Morris Claiborne and aren’t going to have enough cap space to bring in a suitable replacement. Conley is a bit of a reach here, but Dallas will need to keep a stocked secondary if they want to keep building on their recent success.
Green Bay Packers: Jabrill Peppers, DB, Michigan: The Packers suffered all season because their defensive backfield had no depth. Peppers isn’t going to be a lock-down corner, but he does have the instincts to make an impact in the secondary and as a box safety. Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of issues with Peppers play on defense, but Green Bay is a great situation for him to fall into.
Pittsburgh Steelers: Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama: The Steelers are going to take a linebacker in the first because they are the Steelers and that’s what they do. Anderson is not a bad pick, but won’t provide the Steelers with an elite pass-rush. Anderson is more of a utility linebacker who is more well-rounded than a great pass rusher.
Atlanta Falcons: Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana: There isn’t a good need-based fit for the Falcons at this point, so I’m putting the best player available to them. Feeney would step in at Right Guard for Chris Chester and would keep the OL stable for Matt Ryan to maintain the success that he had this year.
New England Patriots: Budda Baker, DB, Washington: The Patriots are a hard team to mock for because they are always a wild card. Budda Baker is the kind of versatile, cerebral DB prospect that Belichick always seems to value.
1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:So how about Perine?
I think his below average elusiveness and receiving skills are going to put his value lower than other guys since the FO seems to want more of a receiving back.
I think my biggest boom or bust prospect at this point would be David Njoku from Miami. I think he goes Top 15 because he'll put Vernon Davis numbers up at the combine, but I think he needs some development to become a significant weapon.
I really enjoyed reading this. Not really much I would dispute on there. I wouldn't expect the Texans to go QB though, Ramczyk might be a good target for them since Derek Newton might have to retire.
34 minutes ago, Tru11 said:Hurst is a candidate for the RT position?
He's definitely a candidate. Probably not a realistic one though. Lewis is likely going to be the favorite, but he'll compete (probably) with an FA or a draft pick.
52 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:The running game would be even worse and Flacco would see more pressure from the RT and LG spots. So it really weakens two spots on an already not good enough line. And Flacco needs a better than average OL to succeed, especially with the lack of weapons he has.
That assumes no development from Lewis or Urschel, which probably wouldn't be the case. Lewis was doing well until the injury and Urschel had injury struggles during OTAs and camp. It's hard to place where those two will be next year. It'll be a lot more clear after free agency and the draft, but I'm sure that there's gonna be some competition at RT/LG if Wagner does, in fact, leave.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some decent cap casualties this year on the line, the Pats could cut Sebastian Vollmer since he lost his job. Ryan Clady and Kelvin Beachum have options on their contracts and underperformed this year. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Plus, I think there's a decent group of interior OL that can possibly be nabbed in rounds 2-4. A guy like Forrest Lamp could immediately solve the LG problem.
1 hour ago, berad said:Stanley's going to be tired with that lineup lol
I'm surprised the Ravens didn't try Lewis at RT when Wagner got hurt. Maybe he was still recovering or maybe it would be unfair to expect that but it seemed like a good chance to see if he could do it.
Caught my secret plan lol. But yeah, I guess they didn't feel comfortable with him on the right side on short notice. They do have reason to find out what Hurst can do one last time before deciding his RFA tender I guess.
1 hour ago, ravefan52 said:If Wagner leaves the offense is most likely screwed. It'd be very hard to replace him as most teams are looking for OT's and there are very few out there.. RT's are just as important as LT's these days and retaining one of the better ones in his prime has to be the biggest priority of free agency. Adding a starting OT to the long list of other needs would be a deep hole to dig out of.
Lewis did fine in a pinch with next to zero prep at tackle. I think the worst case scenario is Stanley-Urschel-Zuttah-Yanda-Lewis. Which isnt ideal, but would probably be considered average in the league.
22 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:B. Williams - 50% he's gone (pray for hometown discount)
R. Wagner - 60% he's gone (pray for hometown discount)
K. Juice - 30% he's gone - good weapon, should re-sign
L. Guy - 20% he's gone - cheap, should re-sign
L. Webb - 90% gone unless he takes a pay cut, then 30%
M. Wallace - 20% gone. (I'm really opposed to cutting him) - Wouldn't hurt to ask him to take a paycut
J. Zuttah - 75% gone unless he takes a pay cut, then 30%
K. Aiken - 80% he's gone. He wants more playing time.
D. Pitta - 60% gone unless he takes a paycut, then 30%
B. Watson - 40% gone. I like him. Wouldn't hurt to ask him to take a paycut
S. Wright - 50% gone unless he takes a paycut, then 10%
A. Levine - 30% gone. Should re-sign
I'm sure I'm missing some, but these are approximations in my opinion.
I think you're overestimated the likelihood of Zuttah and Webb leaving. Both played pretty well most of the year, and even in the draft, I don't think there's going to be a decent replacement for either that is in range for the Ravens.
At this point I don't see much of a chance for Williams or Wagner to come back since the FA market is pretty light, and they are probably the best at their positions available in FA (considering age and upside).
18 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:lol I'm still in awe has to how he made it. Ozzie will be content with him now
Coaches/Player votes must've put him over. Pretty sure fan voting didn't even have him in the top 10.
2 hours ago, ravefan52 said:Why garett bolles?
Honestly i made it my prof pic a while ago when I thought he was under the radar and would be the best guard prospect in this class and could have been had in Round 2 (naive... I know. I deserve any criticism directed at me). But now hes a Round 1 Tackle prospect and likely out of the Ravens range, so I'm in the market for a new prof pic.
Don't get me wrong, I'd personally take him at 16 if he was there and Wagner left, but realistically I'm expecting a Humphrey, Wilson or McKinley to be the pick at 16.
38 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:What kind of blocker is Engram ?
He's actually a lot better of a blocker than you'd expect a small TE to be.
Im not actually sure that Orr retiring affects the draft strategy that much. Realistically, he was going to be a UFA next year and since Mosley is likely gonna get his 5th year option activated next offseason, it would have been contract chicken between the two and Mosley probably would have won.
Im really just grateful that Orr is getting out before something terrible happened to him on the field.
27 minutes ago, Drew P said:There's a ton of UFA's at the ILB position set to hit the market.
They are up against it being in cap hell but I think FA is the answer at that slot
They aren't in cap hell. They already have 15 million and the cap is probably going to go up. They can pick up another 10-15 million with a couple easy cuts.
46 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:Well it looks like Rueben Foster is on our radar now.
I really like Foster, but it'd take a miracle to get him outside the top 10. Zach Cunningham from Vanderbilt might be a possibility and even though I wasn't very big on him, a lot of guys around here were.
I don't feel too worried because I think we've always has success pulling a 2nd MLB off a scrap heap, whether UDFA (Scott, McClain, Orr) or cap casualty (Daryl Smith). In fact, aside from Mosley and Ray, the organization is not that great at drafting LBs.
39 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:What's weird is looking at this page... the tweet above indicating significant progress on a contract for Orr and then Orr retiring.
Someone got something completely wrong. How were they close on a contract if he was telling them he was retiring? The two statements just dont seem to add up.
Maybe La Canfora was hiding in the bushes outside the castle and is the world's worst lip reader
10 minutes ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:it might be jimmy smith or yanda retiring...think about the injuries...
I doubt it. Neither has had significant enough injuries for that i dont think. Plus they usually announce the player that will be attending the press conference if i remember correctly.
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Wagner is good as gone. There are too many desperate teams for OL with a ton of cap space. He'll get 10 mil/year from someone.