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I wouldn't feel comfortable with Urban or Kaufusi playing 3T, or with Pierce playing 3T full time, so I guess my ideal situation would be to go for a guy like Caleb Brantley, Carlos Watkins or Larry Ugunjobi in the Rounds 3-4 range to compete with Willie Henry for snaps. Idk, I didn't watch many Interior DL. 

You know how many good players can get drafted in 25 picks?

25.

Jernigan was a really good player and will most likely have the best year of his career this season. He was definitely the best interior rusher on the roster, but I can't say I'll miss the mental lapses and penalties. 

And also the redzone fumble recovery fumble. Won't miss that at all. 

But he went to a team we won't play this year, so we can still wish him the best. 

11 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

It wouldn't have been two years, would have been next year.

And a d-lineman that's pretty good against the run but can also rush the passer would have definitely netted a decent comp pick.  Unless he gets injured, I can't imagine Jernigan not getting 10M a season when whatever teams signs him next year. 

It would have been two years. He would have been a free agent next year (2018) and signed and the comp pick would have been given in the 2019 draft. 

He did disappear from the stat sheet for like 4 weeks to close out the season. 

I'm interested to see if this is simply a cost move or if there's actually some faith in Pierce/Henry to handle the 3T snaps. 

His 40 time got him "graded twice" so to speak. Everybody knew before the combine that he was really fast. I don't know why his 40 matters that much. His hands let him down and his routes are not anything special- he'll occasionally freeze a CB with a stutter step, but that's not going to work as often in the pros. He might give a spark on a few splash plays now and then, but I don't see him turning into the kind of reliable receiver that is going to consistently move the chains. 

I think Lamp will probably go in the 15-20 range anyway. 

I remember Paxton Lynch visited last year. Thought that was weird. 

29 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

OMG, now Bucky Brooks has Christian McCaffrey going 11! It's just plain misery that people are just now finding out about him and are pumping up his draft stock.. Really making me sweat now.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000796008/article/ask-5-whos-biggest-nfl-draft-riser-since-start-of-postseason

I don't think anyones ever knocked him for his talent, his vision and agility are incredible, but whoever drafts him is getting either a 200 pound running back or a receiver who has never really played receiver. 

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

IF we took one of them, there's still almost 100% certainty one of those guys will be there for them.

And us passing up on potential elite playmakers just to keep Denver from landing the RT or G they want is a terrible reason to take an OL at 16. Theres no guarantee they'll take an OL in the 1st, there are still players on the market and camp cuts to come, its not unheard of that later round OL can make an early impact.... 

So even if us taking OL at 16 meant Denver not getting the guy they wanted.... it doesnt guarantee anything in terms of how they'll play or their chances of making the playoffs.

Im not saying thats a good reason to take OL. I don't think Ramczyk or Robinson is great value at 16- maybe Bolles but even he has issues since he's 25 and has limited tape out there. 

But the Broncos being OT-less playing against Mack/Irvin, Houston/Hali, and Ingram/Bosa each twice a year would be sad/funny. 

On a serious note though, the value of non-LT OL in the draft should be higher (not QB high, but still high). Its not really possible anymore to get even decent OL- guards, RTs, centers- in free agency without dropping over 8 mil/year and especially with this draft I think if the team wants to get difference-making OL this year, they'll need to reach. 

I still think half the value of taking a lineman in this draft is to keep Denver out of the playoffs again. If they cant get Ramczyk, Bolles or even Robinson, their starting tackles will be Donald Stephenson and Menelik Watson- which definitely doesn't equal a wild card spot. 

Late, but I think Obi Melifonwu and TJ Watt are going to be surprise Round 1 guys. Not a huge fan of either but they seem to have picked up steam. 

I think the Jalen Ramsey situation might be an isolated one. I think that since corner was a desperate need it might have driven them more. At this point, the only "desperate needs" in my mind would be pass rusher, OL or receiver. So if Barnett is sliding I think that they would consider it, but I don't think the receivers and linemen in this class are really guys to jump up for. 

59 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

In the latest Mel Kiper mock draft he has us taking Ryan Ramczyk with Barnett, Davis and Robinson still on the board. I absolutely disagree with this. Though I am not a fan of Robinson either.

I could live with Ramczyk over Robinson. But leaving Barnett and Davis on the board would make me sad. 

I still need someone to explain to me why Cam Robinson is being considered good. 

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Hypothetically speaking, the draft starts off like this:

Garrett, Thomas, Adams, Fournette, Mike Williams, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster, Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, Deshaun Watson, OJ Howard, Dalvin Cook, Forest Lamp. 

Who do you then take with no trade back options on the table?

I'd be between Wilson (CB, Florida) and Bolles (OL, Utah)

I'm not high on Robinson at all, but I don't know how I could exist in a world where Ereck Flowers is a top 10 pick and Cam Robinson isn't. Would genuinely confuse me. 

3 hours ago, Bruce_Almty said:

ICYMI.

There's an interesting article over on Ravens Beatdown, Ravens will take an OT with the first pick in the 2017 draft , discussing the financial benefits of drafting a ROT (Ramcyzk, Bolles, Robinson)  in light of the Ricky Wagner // Riley Reiff $10mil/yr FA hauls. He goes on to suggest a Pat Elflein/Ethan Pocic center selection in the 3rd giving the Ravens a dominating, young and inexpensive O-line for the next few years given the Stanley // Lewis selections of last. The other 2 top 100 picks are devoted to edge rusher // CB // WR needs. 

Post your thoughts below.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Robinson, Ramczyk and Bolles were off the board at 16. Jacksonville really needs OL more than anything else, same with Indy, Cincy and the Chargers (Im sure theres more). OL getting overpaid in FA should probably lead to OL overdrafts. 

But I personally don't think the value is there to take one. On my "board" I have Bolles around 20, Ramczyk around 25, and Robinson around 35. 

The only position that would surprise me in Round 1 would be QB. 

This is a good mock. Need to check out Seaton, but sounds like a good pick. 

34 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I wouldn't be shocked if the Ravens held onto him until T.C. His contract isn't expensive and what Watson had the Ravens lacked. They badly needed a vertical TE who could stretch the middle of the field, and shift coverage safeties consistently. Pitta's inability to separate from LBs allowed for more safeties to play deep coverage and pretty much force our plays to play the short field game more, because they knew in the back of their minds that Wallace and Perriman could burn them deep on any given moment. There were reports of him emerging as the #1 TE through TC and had he stayed healthy he very well would have been it. I personally think the loss of Watson was very underrated for the Ravens. 

I think the loss of Watson was definitely a problem. He was one of the best red zone weapons in 2015 with the Saints. Then the Ravens had redzone nightmares in 2016. 

I'm prepared to deal with frustrating offensive drives again, but since Marty isn't going to be running Trestman's offense next season and Perriman can get a full offseason of prep in there's a little bit of hope. Plus if a guy like Williams or Davis is the Ravens first round pick that could make a pretty big difference too.

The line is definitely worrisome sans Zuttah and Wagner, but if the FO's trust in Lewis, Urschel/Jensen and Wesley/Nembot isn't unwarranted it might be okay. 

Im still curious about the Watson situation.  Realistically the team could end up keeping all 6 TEs if only 5 WRs (Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Camp/Reynolds, Draft Pick) are on the 53 man and Boyle takes the Juszczyk roster spot. 

I think John Ross has a good enough skillset aside from his speed (hands/routes) to justify him as a top 20 pick....

But I'm going to die worrying about all those injuries. 

Real winner is Maurice Canady who can start a Carr-Woodhead bidding war for that 39 jersey.