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Nothing against Renner, but the facts that (A) he's only played decently well against 3rd stringers in the preseason and ( he's worked out for a couple teams and hasn't been signed by any of them make a good argument to look at Mallett and Clausen more. Mallett is signed for next season too and if he gets his act together, he could be a good backup. I don't think we should spend a draft pick on a backup QB when there are a lot of other needs on the team.

Do you think we can get more than that? Droping from 4-15 is huge for any team so I'm sure the price will be demanding. The Rams got an haul moving down from 2 to 6, and the Browns did as well moving from 4 to 8. I think we can get a bit more than a 1st & 2nd, I personally think if we don't pick a LT in the 1st, then we won't do it until later rounds, I don't see it in the 2nd. That is just my opinion though, overall I think its a good mock.

Goff doesn't have half as much hype as RGIII. I don't think we could get more than an extra 2nd round pick by moving down to let a team get him, especially the Bears considering how good Cutler has been this year. I don't think any team is dumb enough to move up to the top 5 for a QB this year.  

I'd be surprised if Josh Gordon came back next season. The league still hasn't reinstated Justin Blackmon. I know that Gordon technically is eligible to return in 2016, I just don't see Goodell letting it happen so soon. Gordon may be out of the league for good. 

Jimmy Clausen just got waived, he's a Trestman guy, wouldn't be surprised to see him end up here.

I could see a QB coming into the draft if its a best player available later in the draft. I think out of Goff, Lynch, Cook, Hackenburg Cardale Jones or Wentz maybe one slides down to the 4th where I could see us biting. This is all about developing a back up though, we aren't looking for a franchise QB at this point. 

I think it turns more into a rotation between Suggs, Doom, and Bosa where Bosa stays on the field the majority of the time. Possibly making Dumerville tradable if the offer is sweet enough

I don't really think that we could get a good offer for Dumervil. I'd keep him around because I think him and Bosa do different things. Bosa thrives more if you move him around the line, but Dumervil is a speed rusher off the edge. If we draft Bosa, I still see us picking up a speed rusher in the other rounds. 

Will doom still come off the edge?

I see Bosa, if we draft him playing OLB in the base set or 5 technique. Then bumping in on longer passing downs. So I would see alignments like this if we drafted him: 

Suggs-Bosa-Williams-Jernigan-Dumervil  or Suggs-Urban-Williams-Jernigan-Bosa. Depending on how we feel about Urban after this year. I could also see a 4 man front like: 

Suggs-Bosa-Jernigan-Dumervil.

A 3 man dime rush would likely bump Suggs or Dumervil off the field if we drafted Bosa:

Suggs-Jernigan-Bosa

Either way this still helps Dumervil, he was always better coming in fresh for a pass rush.  

If I'm being honest, Stanley is a technician and less like those names you mentioned. If any tackle is like those other names it's Tunsil. Fwiw I actually really like Tunsil, too.

I really do need to watch some more of the OL in this class. I have been watching mostly WR, Pass Rushers, and DBs this year. OL evaluation has never been my strong suit in the past though. Couple years ago, I full-heartedly believed that Luke Joeckel was the next Joe Thomas. 

Why is that? It's your preference, so I won't attack it, I'm just curious as to why you've fallen off on Stanley. I think he's an elite prospect and a franchise LT. I'm just curious, maybe I can look over Stanley and we can see eye-to-eye.

I still currently think Stanley is a top 10 pick because he is so athletic and is the best pure pass-blocker in the draft class this year. It's a bit more of a personal thing. I thought he lost his match up against Lawson (Clemson) and got pushed around a little bit too much. I'll have a stronger opinion of his play when I can watch the Michigan State game (I think his match up against Shilique Calhoun will be really telling). I haven't watched a ton of Stanley to be completely honest though, so I'm definitely open to your analysis of him.

It just seems to me like this really athletic tackles have had some problems recently with guys like Fisher, Joeckel, Matthews, Kalil and Greg Robinson struggling so much. I know most analysts are not really high on his run blocking, but I want to know what sets Stanley apart from those guys. I'd definitely appreciate if you could tell me. 

My order of preference of the listed guys would be 1. Vernon Hargreaves III; 2. Joey Bosa; 3. Laremy Tunsil; 4. Jalen Ramsey; 5. Ronnie Stanley. Honestly I would take Robert Nkemdiche over Ronnie Stanley, I've actually fallen off the Ronnie Stanley bandwagon recently.

ramsey isnt going 2nd overall, nkemdiche isnt going 7th, those are my only disagreements, otherwise very good mock. 

 

the thought of ogbah going 5 picks ahead of our 2nd rounder makes me queasy. hes one of my absolute favorite players in this draft and id take him as high as 20 depending on the talent available. 

 

just curious, who are you projecting for our 2nd rounder based on this? i think the top guy for consideration would be cameron sutton, germain ifedi, vonn bell, jalen mills, demarcus robinson, or carl nassib. 

 

also, i think nkemdiche might as well book a plane to tennessee if he is there when theyre on the clock. and if the chargers are picking 2nd, its gonna be between bosa and nkemdiche, i dont care how badly they wanna replace weddle theyre not passing on all that talent to do it.

Honestly I would love to have seen Ogbah fall to our 2nd pick, and if some Offensive Linemen rise in the draft I could see that happening. But on this I could seen Vonn Bell or even Corey Coleman (Baylor WR who has some Kendall Wright/Phillip Dorsett to his game). I don't see us going 1-2 on Corners though. I think Nassib is going to be there in the 3rd Round (Combine will probably hurt his stock) if we can't get a pass rusher sooner. I don't think we're spending higher than a 4th round pick on an OL unless we grab Stanley or Tunsil, because I think K.O. walks and Urschel takes over the LG spot, and I think everybody would be fine with that.

I think most people are right that Number 2 is high for Jalen Ramsey. I just really think San Diego is a good fit for Ramsey and I do not think that San Diego ends up at 2. I'm pretty intrigued by Ramsey because he's like an opposite Terrence Brooks (Ramsey started at a nickel corner/safety role and got moved outside, while Brooks started outside and got moved to a nickel corner/safety role). I personally think Ramsey is best suited for a nickel corner/safety role in the NFL like a Tyrann Mathieu or Eric Weddle (or kinda like what the Ravens do with Matt Elam and Terrence Brooks when all the corners get injured). 

Most people are also right that 7 is a decently long fall for Nkemdiche. My personal thinking behind putting Tunsil at 4 is that if the Titans want to take the next step as a franchise, they need to do it behind Mariota, and they can't do that with Poutasi or Byron Bell playing right tackle. Byron Bell got cut for Michael Oher. I'm really interested in seeing what happens with Nkemdiche because he has the explosion and athleticism of an edge rusher with the body of a tackle. PurpleCity might be on to something linking him to Detroit, they could definitely use him, especially if Ngata walks. 

Thanks for all the feedback guys, I love that there's such a good draft community on here. I love getting called out on stuff. 

1. Detroit Lions: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame

Stanley is an athletic tackle that excels most in pass protection. This fits what Detroit wants to do- Stafford throwing deep to Golden Tate and Calvin Johnson. It will be interesting to see what happens with Detroit once their new GM gets picked, but don't expect a huge splash from a rookie GM. 

2. San Diego Chargers: Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State

I am operating under the assumption (as most others are) that Eric Weddle is not returning to San Diego after this season. It would be pretty shocking to see a defensive back go this high in the draft, Patrick Peterson was the highest drafted DB in recent memory, and I do not think anybody is putting Ramsey on his level athletically, but Weddle has been a part of San Diego's identity for the past 8 or so years and they will likely seek a presence similar to his. 

3. Cleveland Browns: Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State

If Bosa is available when the Browns are on the clock, I don't think he will be heading too far away from Columbus. It is no secret that Cleveland has not been happy with their pass rushers this offseason as there was talk of trading both Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo. Though Bosa's fit in a 3-4 defense has been debated, Bosa could be moved around enough as a 5-technique defensive end and nickel pass rusher. Either way the Browns improve their pass rush with a player that Ohioans are incredibly familiar with. 

4. Tennessee Titans: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Mississippi

The Titans will likely go best player available, and on my board, that is Laremy Tunsil. Tunsil is better in the run game than Ronnie Stanley, but lacks the footwork in pass protection that Stanley has. Ruston Webster has shown that he is willing to take the best player available even if that player has to work their way into the rotation (i.e. Taylor Lewan). Jeremy Poutasi is not an NFL tackle, and playing him as a starting right tackle is hurting Marcus Mariota's development. 

5. Baltimore Ravens: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

The Ravens need help at corner, and Hargreaves is arguably the best player available at this pick. Though Hargreaves is not a large aggressive corner like the Ravens seem to prefer (Jimmy Smith, Cary Williams, Rashaan Melvin, Tray Walker, etc.), he plays above his 5-11 size, and has the play-making ability to help a defense on track to set an NFL record for the least amount of turnovers in a season. 

6. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame

Paul Posluszny is getting old and becoming a liability both in coverage and the running game. Jaylon Smith is an athletic linebacker, who will probably test extremely well at the combine. Though the Jaguars would definitely prefer Bosa or Hargreaves in the first round, they certainly would not hesitate to pick up a player who has been compared to Patrick Willis coming out. Smith could not only play in the middle taking Posluszny's spot, but with his pass-rushing proficiency could also occupy the "Otto" role currently held by Dan Skuta. 

7. Dallas Cowboys: Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Mississippi

I do not think Dallas is going to bite at a QB in the first round, despite numerous pundits thinking they will. I picture them entering a "win now" mode similar to Elway and the Broncos. I think Dallas is going to be picking later because I think their season picks up once Romo returns, but if they do find their way to this pick, Robert Nkemdiche's slide stops early. Dallas gains a defensive piece that can play a couple different positions along the defensive line that is strong on the edge and weak on the interior. 

8. San Francisco 49ers: Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis

San Francisco will have a new QB in 2016. Blaine Gabbert and Colin Kaepernick are not answers, and though Kaepernick will be playing elsewhere or on a new contract, Gabbert remains at best an average back up. Jared Goff is the hot name at QB, but like Teddy Bridgewater, he will likely fall due to his slight frame and lack of elite arm strength (Remember when Bortles got drafted over Bridgewater despite playing lesser competition, but having better measurables).

9. Houston Texans: Christian Hackenburg, QB, Penn State

You can complain at me for being uncreative by connecting the O’Brien/Penn State dots, but most scouts seem to be in agreeance that Hackenburg is an NFL quarterback, and if anybody is willing to take a chance on the kid it will be the coach that brought him to a sanctioned program only to abandon him a year later.

10. Miami Dolphins: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA

I do not think the injury to Myles Jack is going to affect his draft stock very much. Miami needs to keep building their defense with draft picks around Ndamukong Suh, and Jack is a versatile linebacker who can rush on blitzes as well as cover slot receivers. He is a complete package, and though he is slightly undersized (I think he will weigh in between 230 and 235), I think his athleticism and instincts are too much to pass on.

11. Chicago Bears: Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson

Mackensie Alexander is a prospect I think will rise the closer we get to the draft. Chicago has has struggles replacing Charles Tillman and Tim Jennings, but Kyle Fuller is a good building block and putting Alexander opposite of him will be a big step in rebuilding their defense. Alexander is a physical corner with the speed to hang with NFL receivers.

12. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi

Vincent Jackson is getting old, and when you have a young quarterback like Jameis Winston, you can never have too many weapons to give them. Treadwell is big physical receiver, who can win at the catch-point. Though he lacks the speed of Mike Evans, he is still a strong downfield receiver that will give NFC south defenses fits.

13. Washington Redskins: Jared Goff, QB, California

Goff is a sensible pick for a sensible GM. Washington still has some problems all over, but they won’t take a big step forward until they take a QB that they can build around. They need to cut loose Robert Griffin III and move forward. Goff’s stock has been falling as he has struggled against better defenses lately, but he is still a better prospect than Connor Cook.

14. Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

Doctson is a good receiver who is a bigger receiver to complement the faster Jeremy Maclin. The Chiefs may or may not be able to rely on Jamal Charles, but their identity seems to be shifting to a passing offense with the likes of Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce. Doctson is a well-developed prospect that adds another dimension for an offense that only recently started throwing touchdowns to wide receivers.

15. New Orleans Saints: Chris Jones, DT, Mississippi State

Chris Jones is an unfamiliar name at this point, but he is an athletic 6-6, 310 pound tackle. The Saints are a team that needs a corner, but there are not any corners at this point that are worth spending the 15th pick on. Jones will rise in the draft process and provides a solid piece upfront for a weak defense.

16. Oakland Raiders: Jayron Kearse, FS, Clemson

Jayron Kearse is a large safety with playmaking ability. Though he struggles with some of the mental aspects of the game, Oakland cannot rely on Charles Woodson being around much longer. The Oakland secondary has struggled, and has been playing corners (D.J. Hayden, T.J. Carrie) at the safety spot. Kearse may not develop into an elite player, but with a strong defensive front, he could make this a top-10 NFL defense.

17. St. Louis Rams: Tyler Boyd, WR, Pittsburgh

Surprise, Wes Welker will not (and should not) be around after this season. The Rams have lacked a receiver for a while and the receivers they do have seem to be more gadget-styled players (Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey). Tyler Boyd can on the outside complementing Kenny Britt or in the slot. He gives the Rams another weapon for Nick Foles, who may or may not be their QB of the future.

18. Philadelphia Eagles: Vadal Alexander, OG, LSU

The Eagles offensive line has been a mess, and until it improves, the Eagles are going nowhere. Vadal Alexander is currently the Right Tackle for LSU, but he was better playing Left Guard. Evan Mathis left and the Eagles are pushing their luck with an injury-prone Sam Bradford. Though Sam Bradford may be leaving after this year, whoever their QB is, they will need better protection. Alexander’s proficiency in the running game also can make Demarco Murray and Ryan Mathews a worthwhile investment.

19. Buffalo Bills: Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State

Though this is a reach at this point, the Bills have a strong defense, and talent at the offensive skill positions. The line is probably the biggest liability to a team that has recently turned things around. Cyrus Kouandjio and Seantrel Henderson have not given confidence to the front office, and plugging a physical piece like Decker onto the right side of the offensive line instantly makes this team better.

20. Seattle Seahawks: Spencer Drango, OG, Baylor

Losing out on Alexander and Decker is a tough blow to a team that has sunk from two Super Bowl appearances mainly due to offensive line play. If Alexander and Decker are both gone at this point, I would expect the Seahawks to try to trade down. The next tier of lineman I see at this spot is Spencer Drango and Jack Conklin. I am putting Drango in this spot because the Seahawks are desperate for protection and I think that Drango is more versatile than Conklin.

21. Pittsburgh Steelers: Su’a Cravens, SS/LB, USC

Cravens is not Troy Polamalu, but he might be able to fill that void. Shamarko Thomas was not what the Steelers hoped that he could be. Cravens, in my opinion, projects best as a 4-3 WLB, but if the Steelers did a good job of putting him in the right position, I do not doubt that he could have success. This is a somewhat high pick for a box safety, but Pittsburgh is searching for the physical identity that they lost on defense and their recent top picks have failed to bring that back.

22. New York Jets: Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia

Jenkins plays as an outside linebacker in UGA’s 3-4 defense, and plays well against both the run and the pass. He has the agility and motor to consistently get into the backfield. The Jets haven’t had a great pass-rusher in a while and currently rolling with Calvin Pace and Quinton Coples hasn’t worked out extremely well for them. They have great down linemen, but an explosive edge rusher would create even more opportunities for Muhammad Wilkerson, Leonard Williams and Sheldon Richardson.

23. Atlanta Falcons: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State

Roddy White is not happy in Atlanta, and even if he was, he is getting older and slower and is doing a worse job of complementing Julio Jones. Michael Thomas is a good route runner with decent speed, like Roddy White, and has more athleticism and upside at this point. The Falcons do not have tremendous needs, but a corner is also a possibility this year if one emerges.

24. Minnesota Vikings: Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama

Minnesota has a solid piece in Eric Kendricks, but Chad Greenway is getting older. Reggie Ragland could take over the MLB spot allowing Eric Kendricks to move to the outside, where his athleticism would suit him well.

25. Indianapolis Colts: Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

I’m not convinced that spending top 15 picks on running backs has become normal again. The Colts can’t rely on Frank Gore much longer as his performance has been inconsistent this year. Though they have needs elsewhere, this is a franchise that has shown its willingness to invest in a (potentially) great running back. Elliott is the consensus best back currently.

26. New York Giants: DeForest Buckner, DL, Oregon

I am not exactly sure where Buckner would fit in the Giants defense, but my best guess would be that he could play strongside end on running downs and rush from the interior on passing downs. I am not as high on Buckner as a lot of other people are, but I still think he will end up going in the first round.

27. Arizona Cardinals: Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor

Though Andrew Billings plays at nose tackle for Baylor, I think he is athletic enough to play at the 3-technique spot that was vacated by Darnell Dockett last offseason. He is extremely athletic for his size and as a former powerlifting champion has the strength to make a difference against the run.

28. Green Bay Packers: Noah Spence, OLB, Eastern Kentucky

Spence was dismissed from Ohio State for drug use, but if he can prove to teams that he has those issues behind him, he could go in the first round. This would be a huge steal for the Packers because I think that Spence could end up being the best pure pass rusher in this class.

29. Denver Broncos: Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State

Sylvester Williams seems to be getting pushed around a lot playing nose tackle in Wade Phillip’s system. Austin Johnson has the size (6-4, 325) to play nose tackle more effectively than Williams, and allows Williams to play as a 3-4 end where he may have more success. There could be a tackle going here if Ryan Clady gets released in a cap move (which is possible because of his injury history).

30. Cincinnati Bengals: Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA

Kenny Clark is the best player available and comes at the perfect time for the Bengals, who have struggled with Domata Peko for a few years. Kenny Clark is great against the run and provides the perfect complement for Geno Atkins, who excels most as a pass rusher.

31. Carolina Panthers: Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State          

Ogbah’s stock has been falling recently, but I think the Panthers are going to take a pass rusher at this point rather than reaching for the next available offensive tackle. They might be saddled with Michael Oher for another year, but Ogbah gives them a presence on the edge to play opposite Charles Johnson (who is getting old) and eventually Kony Ealy. Jared Allen is not a long-term player.

32. New England Patriots: Pick Forfeited.

he has been a career pass rusher and hasnt even began dropping into coverage until this year, he does have the agility though, the problem is that he is purposely built like a 4-3DE so he is carrying quite a bit of weight, and still moves well, the way he stacks and sheds and pursues and absolutely blows through blockers in all situations, makes me very confident he would excel as an OLB for us, let him lose 10 lbs and the pass coverage will come with time, he has the iq for it, but lets be real, dropping a guy like bosa into coverage is just kinda for the sake of surprise, you dont want him doing that too often because that just takes his pass rush out of the play.

The problem is that though he is a good football player, he hasn't shown consistently he can hold the edge. He is more of an interior penetrator than an edge rusher. You keep saying how explosive he is and how he pursues the runners in all situations and blows through blockers in all situations. I have not seen that on any of the tape. I have yet to see tape of Joey Bosa chasing down runners or getting around the edge fast enough to bring down mobile quarterbacks, and that is not a knock on him, he's just not that kind of player. He is a great player, but he isn't a Jadeveon Clowney edge defender drawing multiple blockers every play. I am not even alone in thinking this. Notice how every Bosa comparison is to a player that played in a 3-5, and was not overly successful-Jared Allen (Bears switched to a 3-4, traded Allen to the Panthers even though they had him cheap), Mario Williams (Texas switched to a 3-4, Williams was out of place and left in FA to go to the Bills), Chris Long (was a 3-4 5-technique in college, had to shed weight to play strongside end in St. Louis).

im just wondering where this idea comes from that bosa couldnt play OLB for us? he is 15 lbs heavier than suggs and extremely agile and explosive for a man his size, plays violently, and has excellent technique, not to mention he has plenty of room to lose weight if needed and he has all the moves and athleticism, and certainly the football IQ to pick up the position. 

 

if you think joey bosa is a pure DE you are absolutely kidding yourself. obviously any player can become pigeonholed, but he is so good and such a natural football player that you simply cant assume he is unfit to play OLB until he actually lines up at OLB and fails, which he likely wont be doing, the kid can ball and would single handedly bring a culture of defense back to baltimore if he takes the reins as the next ravens OLB

I've watched the Penn State, Rutgers, and Indiana tape of him (all 2015 games) and I just have not seen a lot of agility from him, almost all of the sacks he has gotten this year have been either through the A gap or the B gap. I'll admit 3 games might not be enough to get a full picture, but it is enough to point out a trend like that. He drops into coverage occasionally for OSU, but when he does he seems big and slow. I'll obviously keep my eyes on him because he will make an impact in the league, but I think spending a top 10 pick on him when he does not really fit the scheme is risky. I would not be mad if the Ravens drafted him by any means because we have good history with similar players that were interior defenders that transitioned to edge defenders (I'm thinking of Pernell McPhee and Jarrett Johnson), but he would not make as great of an initial impact as he would as a strong side end on a team like the Jaguars or Buccaneers where he would only have to focus on doing the things he already does well. 

My Thoughts on Bosa: 

Strengths: 

Strong at the point of attack. 

Anchors well against the run. 

Wins with power moves, but also throws in swim/spin moves.

Gains good pressure by getting inside. 

Versatile enough to play a couple different positions along the line, best fit as a stronside end in a 4-3 or a 5-Technique in a 3-4 if he can add about 15-20 pounds of muscle. 

High motor player, who is a leader on a competitive team. 

Weaknesses: 

Not a fit as a 3-4 OLB

Lacks speed to play on the weak-side where he would have to chase down plays. 

Lacks the athleticism to drop into coverage.

Comparison:

Michael Bennett, DE, Seahawks: Like Bennett, Bosa wins predominantly with power but has a good arsenal of pass rush moves. Bosa would most likely thrive in a system that would allow him to line up in a couple different gaps. Bosa might be a bit more lean than Bennett, but at this point their style of play lines up pretty well. 

The draft is weak at receiver and even weaker at pass rusher. I definitely do not think that there are any players worth tanking for in order to get a prime draft pick. Bosa is by far the best pass rusher, but since he generates most of the pressure he gets from the inside, he is more of a 4-3 end than a 3-4 outside linebacker. Most of the top receivers are slot guys, which is not really a top pick-worthy position.

No way to cut Monroe, we already have so much dead money. It would be so dumb. Please say we learned something from this year.

Wish we still had Smith and Boldin... SF is sooooooo good

With probably 12 picks next year, I wouldn't mind if they got Tate for 4th rd pick, heck I wouldn't care if we gave them a 3rd for him.  

Tate gets 7 million next year and 8 the year after. If we wouldn't give 9 to Torrey Smith, we wouldn't give 7/8 million to Tate. 

Its Week 5, there's no decent WRs we could afford. If there was a good WR with a low Cap number, what kind of idiot team would trade them for anything less than a Round 4 pick?

I wish he was playing.

I'd be fine with 8-8 at this point.

Don't understand the grading system. Crockett was a beast. Don't know why Jimmy Smith wasn't on the very bottom. What a pathetic performance after that big contract.

It grades on every single snap that the player takes. So even if they give up a big play or have a big play, that only affects so much. So if Gillmore had 2 touchdowns on 60 snaps, that does not mean the extra 58 snaps were at a + level. He could have missed blocks or failed to get open a couple times. Jimmy Smith had a few + coverages despite giving up more of them and having some penalties. 

Purple Dawg 96 .... Because Matt Schaub is totally going to turn the ball over less