jboy19

I still don't really view Bosa as an edge. Convinced that he's more of a 5 technique end- and a darn good one.

I'm not sold on the Jags shooting for Malik Jackson. He's pretty similar to Jared Odrick and Sen'Derrick Marks, who are both in JAX for the foreseeable future. Maybe a smokescreen. 

I really like this mock. I have my fingers crossed that Ramsey falls. I have my fingers crossed that Myles Jack ends up in JAX. 

I don't really see a good reason to cut him. Even though the team certainly is not hurting at the tight end position, it is always good to have a talented depth player that doesn't have a significant cap number. As bad as last offseason seemed, the team appeared to be more disciplined and dedicated this year and there is no more "Harbaugh can't control the team" talk. The team should keep him (hopefully he gets over this, but even if he doesn't keeping him is low risk and high reward) and let him develop.

At this point, my ideal 1-2 picks would be Ramsey and Leonard Floyd (if he lasts that long). 

I have no idea where the idea of Jaylon Smith being an 3-4 OLB came from. He's never been an edge, I like him as a 3-4 ILB or any LB in a 4-3 and think he is the best off-line linebacker in the draft, but he has never really shown edge rush potential, he has had some sacks, but they've been from the interior. 

There are at least 7 running backs in this class that are better than Derrick Henry. I wouldn't take him higher than Round 6. 

I think that as far as needs/talent goes the top teams big boards may look something like this: 

1. Tennessee: Laremy Tunsil, Joey Bosa, Ronnie Stanley, Jalen Ramsey. 

2. Cleveland: Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Bosa, Ramsey. 

3. San Diego: Tunsil, Ronnie Stanley, Ramsey, Laquon Treadwell, Bosa. 

4. Dallas: Joey Bosa, Wentz, Ramsey, Treadwell. 

5. Jacksonville: Tunsil/Stanley, Bosa, Jalen Ramsey, Vernon Hargreaves III/Mackensie Alexander. 

6. Baltimore: Tunsil/Stanley, Ramsey, Bosa, Mackensie Alexander, Treadwell, Shaq Lawson. 

I could see something like this shaking out (picks in bold).

jboy19 Mock Draft 3.0

Round 1

1. Tennessee Titans: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
2. Cleveland Browns: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State
3. San Diego Chargers: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
4. Dallas Cowboys: Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State
5. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State
6. Baltimore Ravens: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
7. San Francisco 49ers: Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
8. Miami Dolphins: Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson
9. TB Buccaneers: Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
10. New York Giants: DeForest Buckner, DE/DT, Oregon
11. Chicago Bears: Jaylon Smith, MLB, Notre Dame
12. New Orleans Saints: Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson
13. Philadelphia Eagles: Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor
14. Oakland Raiders: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
15. Los Angeles Rams: Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor
16. Detroit Lions: Tayor Decker, OT, Ohio State
17. Atlanta Falcons: Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State
18. Indianapolis Colts: Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State
19. Buffalo Bills: Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
20. NY Jets: Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia
21. Washington Redskins: Reggie Ragland, MLB, Alabama
22. Houston Texans: Ezekiel Elliott, HB, Ohio State
23. Minnesota Vikings: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State
24. Cincinnati Bengals: Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
25. Pittsburgh Steelers: Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State
26. Seattle Seahawks: A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
27. Green Bay Packers: Noah Spence, OLB, Eastern Kentucky
28. Kansas City Chiefs: Sheldon Rankins, DT/DE, Louisville
29. Arizona Cardinals: Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama
30. Denver Broncos: Jonathan Bullard, DE, Florida
31. Carolina Panthers: Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State

As much as everybody gets upset when people compare Joey Bosa to J.J. Watt, I think they can do the same thing as far as alignment goes (not talent or athleticism necessarily). In a 4-3, its easy to put Bosa as a strong-side DE, he would excel there and be a consistently good performer. In a 3-4 he would need to be moved around more. I wouldn't put him as a stand up edge rusher (and I do not think that most people would either), but since most 3-4 defenses routinely do use 4 man fronts he could line up essentially as a 4-3 end in a 4 man front. I think that in a 3-4 base set Bosa best fits as a 5-technique or even 3-technique end. He is good at a lot of things and would certainly make an impact. As much as a lot of people are saying he is not a great fit for a 3-4, I would argue that he is not a traditional fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker or 3-4 defensive end, he could still make an impact and would not need taken off the field. 

Here's a good piece about the drawbacks of Myles Jack if you're interested: 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607708-2016-nfl-draft-myles-jack-is-more-projection-than-sure-thing

1. I think that Myles Jack is overrated. Everybody's always talking about how he covers slot receivers when he only was successful in that role against New Mexico State. He gives up big plays in coverage more often than anyone is willing to talk about, I haven't seen many LBs that bite on play action as hard as he does. I also don't think that he has much pass rushing upside. Everyone was throwing Mora under the bus for saying that Jack should've stayed at UCLA for another year, but I think he was probably right. I also think he is smaller than listed, I think he might weigh in closer to 6'0" 225 than at 6'1" 245. He is probably going to test well if his knee gets rehabbed fast enough, but I wouldn't draft him in the first round if I were an NFL GM. 

2. I think the WR class is underrated. I think Treadwell could be a top 5 pick. He is a physical wide receiver in the mold of Alshon Jeffery or Dez Bryant. I think Corey Coleman and Michael Thomas go in Round 1, and there's a run on WR's at the top of Round 2 with guys like Doctson, Fuller and Boyd going fast on Day 2. 

3. I do not think Bosa is a great fit as a 3-4 OLB/Pure Pass Rusher, so I could see him falling to the Cowboys, Jaguars, Dolphins, Buccaneers, or Giants, or one of these teams trading up for him. 

4. I don't think any QB's go in the top 5. There's a lot of reasons for guys like Goff, Lynch and Wentz to fall. If I were ranking these QB's with the past 2 years classes (going on what I thought before each draft), it would go Winston, Mariota, Bridgewater, Carr, Bortles, Goff, Manziel, Wentz, Garroppolo, Lynch. 

I'd bring him in as a camp body... That's about it

i also debated myself on the vikings pick, michael thomas was one of my guys but i gave them doctson instead because of the type of technical wr they already have in diggs. i also considered jonathan allen for them.

Allen's a weird prospect for me, I'm not sure where I'd put him on the field. 

This is a really good mock. We disagree on a couple prospects (I'm not that big on Myles Jack, and I would place Michael Thomas above Doctson to the Vikings, I also think Billings is going to rise, he's really strong and has surprising athleticism). I don't think that Noah Spence is going to fall to the 3rd round (I'd be thrilled if he did and we got him- I think he'll be great). I would be thrilled with Buckner and Apple, I haven't watched much Apple, but just having a young body at CB would make me happy. I'd be hesitant to put Goff to Cleveland at 2, I think they trade down if they want a QB. 

I just don't think there is a QB that teams would trade into the top 10 for. The more people look at Lynch, the less they like him. Goff is basically Teddy Bridgewater who fell for arbitrary reasons combined with a lack of arm strength. Wentz faces FCS stigma and injury questions. Hackenburg and Cook both have serious accuracy issues, the kind that don't just get better in the NFL. 

Oakman is terrible. I don't think he could fit in a 3-4 defense. He has shockingly little power considering his frame and lacks adequate athleticism to play on the edge. Every Baylor game I've watched he just gets pushed around 90% of the time. He's one of those classic "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" prospects. 

I think K.O. gets left tackle money when he tests free agency, it wasn't too long ago that the Buccaneers gave Anthony Collins left tackle money after only a handful of starts there, he sucked and is out of the league, but its definitely a mistake that desperate teams seem willing to repeat. 

If he was still here, he would play along with Suggs, Dumervil and Brandon Williams... That's not bad a trio either.

Ravens definitely could have used him this year that's for sure, but he was never a high upside prospect. I think he has probably hit his ceiling already. 

Just noticed on PFF that 1) Toussaint had the second highest Steelers PFF score, 2) Jah Reid had the second highest Chiefs PFF score and 3) John Simon had the second highest Texans PFF score. So they are not good enough to be Ravens but are practically the best on other teams that made the playoffs. I think that's why some people have questions about the FO these days. I could be wrong.

1. Toussaint got the benefit of a defense that was stretched out to stop the pass. There's a reason he was on practice squads all year. 

2. NOBODY would want Reid back in Baltimore, he was awful. He could be a better fit in KC's system, but one week is not enough to justify wasting a roster spot on him. He wasn't going to beat out Yanda, KO, or Urschel on the depth chart at guard, and Wagner was arguably a top 5 RT at the time Reid left.  

3. John Simon plays on a defense along with JJ Watt, Vince Wilfork, and Whitney Mercilus who drew pretty much all of the protection. 

Buckner makes a lot of sense for Tennessee and Dallas maybe even Cleveland. I like Bosa and I'm not saying Buckner is better but Buckner has a quicker first step, fits a 4-3 & 3-4, is highly disruptive inside, has the tools to make it, etc. If Kelly goes to Cleveland or Tennessee then it makes even more sense since he's an Oregon guy who likely has some familiarity with what he likes to do defensively.

I definitely think that Bosa and Buckner could both end up going top 5. 

I'd compare Ramsey to Tyrann Mathieu in terms of what he does, he's larger but I think he needs to be put in a safety/nickel corner role to max out his potential. 

I'd be pretty surprised if Bosa made it past Dallas (where he would be a replacement for Hardy) and Jacksonville (where he would step into a Michael Bennett role). Definitely with you on Buckner though, I have no idea why everybody has been saying his stock has fallen, he's a little raw as a puss-rusher, but his ceiling is so high. With Canty likely gone as a cap casualty, Buckner would be a starter at the 5-technique on this team. If the Ravens took Buckner at 6, I'd be happier than if they took Hargreaves at 6. 

Jboy19's Mock Draft 2.0

1. Tennessee Titans: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Mississippi

Tennessee's top priority should be keeping Mariota protected, many may put a defensive guy here, but I don't think they would take Joey Bosa this high due to a lack of scheme fit and the fact that DE/LB is not a top priority with Derrick Morgan and Brian Orakpo both signed for the long term. 

2. Cleveland Browns: Joey Bosa, DE/OLB, Ohio State

Cleveland may trade down here because I think Farmer stays for a while. I'm not sure if a team would pass Baltimore to get a shot at Bosa because I'm not sure if Baltimore takes the shot at Bosa even if they get it. Bosa plays strong side backer in a base set and probably kicks in to 5-technique on passing downs for the Browns. There is always a ton of overhaul in the offseason for the Browns, if they end up with a 4-3 DC next (I just assume that the Seahawks DC gets hired away every offseason by default), this pick is easy. 

3. Baltimore Ravens: Jalen Ramsey, FS, Florida State

I think that this may be high for Ramsey personally, but Ramsey seems to be what the Ravens have been looking for and failed to find in recent drafts (a rangy safety that can play FS or SS or in the slot) with the likes of Matt Elam and Terrence Brooks. I do not think that Ramsey is a perimeter CB, but I think that Ramsey can play a role that needs filled. 

4. San Diego Chargers: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame

I personally think the 4 spot is a rough place to be in this draft because I think that once Tunsil, Bosa, and Ramsey are off the board, the pickings get more difficult. Hargreaves has size issues (may measure in at 5'9"), Nkemdiche has off-field stuff (whatever is going on with that, etc. I think Stanley ends up here, causing shift along the OL, I see San Diego's line looking like LT Stanley, LG Franklin, C Watt, RG Fluker, RT Dunlap if this is the pick. San Diego is going to have problems for a while, but with a solid OL, you build a good base for Rivers and his successor. 

5. Dallas Cowboys: Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Mississippi

Fills a big need and is a great value pick. Jerry can ignore off-field issues and I think there are going to be enough people in the war room to keep Jerry from overdrafting a QB.  I'm perfectly fine with this franchise becoming a joke, but if I were drafting I wouldn't think about this pick- Nkemdiche could play inside at DT or even as a strongside end depending on the down. Dallas should really work on putting a good defense into place if they want to give Romo a chance at a ring in the next couple seasons.

6. San Francisco 49ers: Jared Goff, QB, California

I could see Goff staying at Cal for his senior season, but if he leaves, I do not think he will get very far. The 49ers seem done with Kaepernick (at least as their starter). The team is still in shambles from their hellish offseason last year, and Goff seems like a QB that the franchise could build around.

7. Detroit Lions: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

I feel like the Lions have always needed a CB. This time they get one. Even if Hargreaves measures in smaller than advertised, he plays above his size and gives the Lions a piece in their pass defense that they desperately need in facing Aaron Rodgers twice a year.

8. Miami Dolphins: Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame

This is a good value pick and gives Miami's defense an solid piece. Smith could play in the middle or on the strongside in Miami's defense and would excel behind Miami's great defensive line.

9. Jacksonville Jaguars: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA

I think this is a good pick. Jack is athletic enough and a good enough pass rusher to play the Otto position currently occupied by Dan Skuta, or he could replace Paul Posluzsny in the middle if the Jags decide to move on. Jack is a great complement to the also-athletic Telvin Smith and could help take the Jacksonville defense to the next level.

10. Chicago Bears: DeForest Buckner, DL, Oregon

A lot of people are not big on Buckner, but I am. I see a player who needs development as a pass rusher but can already stand up against the run. I think playing at the 5-technique in the Chicago defense gives Buckner a chance to develop while making an initial impact where he already wins.

11. New Orleans Saints: Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson

Lawson gives the Saints defense another pass rusher to line up opposite of Cameron Jordan. Since Lawson is more of a pure pass rusher than Jordan, he gives the Saints DC (probably a new guy next season) the ability to move Jordan around more freely to exploit match ups.

12. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson

A long, rangy corner that every team in the NFL could use right now. Mackensie plays very aggressively and even though he does not have great stats, he is still an impact player. Look for Alexander to rise closer to the draft.

13. New York Giants: Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State

Pass rushers are hard to find, so this pick is a reach, but the Giants haven't hesitated to reach in the past (Ereck Flowers). JPP likely will never be the same with his mashed up hand and isn't guaranteed to be in New York next season.

14. Oakland Raiders: Jayron Kearse, FS, Clemson

A developmental guy for sure, but Charles Woodson is not lasting forever. I could not think of a better mentor (if Woodson stays after this year).

15. Philadelphia Eagles: Taylor Decker, OL, Ohio State

An athletic tackle who could replace Jason Peters eventually. He is big, mean, and athletic enough for Chip Kelly's offense. It has been shown that the Eagles won't go anywhere with Allen Barbre and Matt Tobin at guard. The Eagles likely need to replace both, and there's no reason to think that either Decker, Peters, or Lane Johnson couldn't pull off a switch to guard.

16.  Buffalo Bills: Shon Coleman, OL, Auburn

No idea if Coleman will declare for the draft this year, but if he does, he is definitely a Round 1 guy. He is athletic and developmental, but has beat cancer before becoming the starting left tackle at Auburn. A high character guy who has huge upside. Seantrel Henderson and Cyrus Kouandjio have failed to seize the right tackle job at this point and likely never will. 

17. Indianapolis Colts: Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

Gasp- a RB taken before a WR- you're as surprised as I am, I think that its weird, but Elliott has shown a lot of potential and will probably have a good combine (which doesn't mean anything). Frank Gore is old and there is nobody behind his that inspires confidence. They need a young RB to help Luck out, not a cycle of Second Team All-Pros from 2005 (Gore, Bradshaw, Rinse, Repeat). This team should have a lot of options here because there are more over-aged employees that need replaced than on this team than in Congress.

18. St. Louis Rams: Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi

Seems like I'm always mocking Treadwell to the Rams, and what's surprising to me is that I am not sure that there are any teams ahead of this pick that are desperate enough for a WR to bite. Treadwell is a good receiver who lacks speed to gain separation but makes up for it with strength at the catch point and route-running, like an Alshon Jeffery or Dez Bryant type.

19. Atlanta Falcons: Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor

Small but plays big. Need a complement to Julio Jones because Roddy White is old and nobody else has stepped up. Nobody even tries to argue that Matt Ryan is better than Joe Flacco anymore, Ryan might be broken, this pick helps us find that out. 

20. New York Jets: Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia

Athletic and developmental. Could play any of the linebacker positions in a 3-4.  

21. Minnesota Vikings: Su'a Cravens, WLB, USC

22. Seattle Seahawks: Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State

23. Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU

25. Washington Redskins: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State

26. Houston Texans: Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis

27. Green Bay Packers: Noah Spence, DE/OLB, Eastern Kentucky

28. Denver Broncos: Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana

29. Cincinnati Bengals: Tyler Boyd, WR, Pittsburgh

30. Arizona Cardinals: Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia

31. Carolina Panthers: Jeremy Cash, SS, Duke

I think it'd be irresponsible not to double up if we get the chance. We have Dumervil (old), Suggs (old and injured) and Zadarius Smith (unproven) next year. Bosa is a great pick and would probably get moved around since he gets good pressure on the inside, he could play 5 or even 3 technique on passing downs at a high level. Then later if we could pick up a pure edge rusher like Devonte Fields or Kyler Fackrell in the 3rd to 5th, that'd make the pass rush better and give a chance to develop some young guys.