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Just now, Purple_City39 said:

Yeah, I checked their forum and many seem to think playing the #1 defense doesn't matter.  I can kinda get it but there's a reason the age old adage is that "defense wins championships"

Yeah I get why there heads are pumped up, but come on now. Our defense is playing lights out. The last time our D played anything like this was 2011 under pagano. There biggest threat to me is Elliot. As long as we dont allow him to get into open space and as long as we keep swarming to the ball I think we win this. I personally think jimmy should shadow Bryant and tavon take on Beasley. Jason written is a threat of his own but Mosley has been playing like a man possessed and between him orr and maybe weddle we can slow this offense. Just need to pray that our offense is ready to play.

Cowboy fans are something like the steelers and patriots fans. Very cocky and arrogant and a bandwagon FULL of fake fans. Would love nothing more to shut Elliott and dez down and crush there little hearts.

Stanley inactive? I'm starting to wonder if he's in harbaughs dog house or something? Had a full week of practice and still a no go? Something ain't right. If he is in the dog house I can say harbs ain't giving his team the best chance to win this way.

IMO I think he's still adjusting to how fast the game is. I know he had similar problems in college but most receivers get over it when transitioning to the pros. I bet by the bye week or so he will get it together and start molding into what we know he can be.

Can anyone get Jimmy's stats? Like how many catches and yards and TD allowed so far this season? Idk how or where to find them and I'd like to shut and argument down between me and a buddy of mine.

Lack of pass rush is really killing us on defense. BAD!!! 

Our oline is seriously killing our offense to. 90% of passing plays flacco can barely even finish his drop back without getting murdered. 

#flaccoslifematters

5 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Still hate Jimmy Smith, guys?!

 

Smith haters can officially shut the hell up.

Good luck with that. I deal with this every time jimmy gives up 1 catch for 2 yards lol. People are never happy.

2 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Jimmy is still showing he's one of the most indispensable players on this team. Once he went out, OBJ had a field day. 

Yes sir. People expect him to give up 0 catches every game. Dont work that way. Not for revis not for Norman not for Sherman. Not even for the great deion sanders. People need to live in reality .

2 plays you guys are blaming Joe on that he didn't screw up.

1: over throwing Wallace on the last drive. No he did not. Wallace wasn't looking at flacco at all until it was to late. Joe was trying to hit him in stride and mike was simply not payin attention.

2: Aiken was wide open. Wrong again. Aiken didn't break open til the ball was thrown and his man who was covering him followed the ball and went away from aiken to leave him by himself. But you know I guess flacco was supposed to magically act as a magnet to bring the ball back to his hands then throw it again since Aiken's man left him open when he threw it the first time huh? 

Btw jimmy receives to much hate. Gives up 1 TD all year and shuts guys down and he gets hurts and all hell breaks loose. 

People pick who to hate on.

Jimmy gives up 1 TD and you guys call for his head lol. Norman almost gave up 2 TD to perriman, a guy who's pretty much a rookie with no training camp or NFL experience outside of his 5 games he's played thus far. Only reason why perriman didn't score is because he cleanly dropped one and didn't drag his foot for another. I'm guessing the NFL would be calling for Normans head had perriman made those plays? Unless I see some official stats on jimmy I have to be really missing something here because I thought Jimmy's been playing pretty dam well

I'm just waiting for us to drop this next game under Marty (not that I want us to or expect that) but Marty has less then a week to get some what settled in, but I guarantee if we some how lose there will be a huge uproar of fans saying Marty sucks we made a bad move blah blah blah. Remember folks, we dropped the first game under Caldwell before making that Superbowl run.

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Very interesting that you mention Favre, because I considered pulling him into the conversation as well.

Favre, for all his faults, is a true all time great. He could have, and did, thrive in all types of differing systems throughout his career. He would play well here in this system, he would play well over in NE, there simply is not anything he could not do, and do it well. I won't be so audacious as to say Favre would be playing on a HOF level on this current team in Bmore, because clearly that is not possible. But, this is a guy who had Flacco's arm, Rodger's ability to throw on the run, great vision, a quick release, a grit and toughness that is unmatched by anyone at any position to ever play the game. Favre is a true legend. Putting Brady on a level with Favre is disrespectful to Favre...Brady is not worthy of deflating Favre's balls (take that to mean what you will). And I have always smiled inside when I read people talking about how Flacco is cut from the same cloth as Favre. What an honor and show of respect to Joe. And there is much truth behind that comparison. Flacco has all of those same qualities that Favre put on display...everything from the gunslinger mentality to the toughness and grit.

It's a shame that Flacco never got to play in a Sean Payton or BB environment. The world would then see what this guy is truly capable of.

+1000 to you sir

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

 

Long read, so if nothing else, just read the bolded parts.

Unlike most of these people, I actually grew up watching Brady play from day one.

Back then, I used to compare him and Peyton all the time...I'd think, you know, Brady may not put up nearly as good numbers as Peyton, I think I'd still rather have Brady. Brady just doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes, and always finds ways to keep the Pats in games. Back then, I used to watch NE a lot, they were very entertaining to watch -- I could never really put my finger on why exactly, I just felt that there was something different about them. After a few years, I began to see it for what it was. Now, these guys going on about the greatness of Brady because someone dared say something good about Flacco are going to be upset, but what I realized even 10 years ago before it became common knowledge is a few things:

1. Those OL of his were out of this world, which resulted in...

2. Him having all day long to wait for guys running designed short routes to get open

3. The rare occasions that a defense was able to overcome such a stout and well coached OL and the quick short passes to generate a good pass rush, Brady looked like absolute dog crap. But his running game and defense would still bail him out more often than not.

4. Most important of all, for the life of me, I could never understand how mediocre players like Deion Branch and David Boston ALWAYS SEEMED OPEN. I mean at first, this was part of the Brady magic to me...here he is, successful despite not having Harrison and Wayne like Manning did. But after I started noticing that no matter who Brady was throwing to, that guy always seemed to not have a defender near him, (unless it was a quick pass over the middle, which was a play they used a lot back then, especially against us), I began realizing that there is much more to what I am watching than just "Wow Brady is good".

Fast forward to 2007. I had a virtual stroke when my favorite player, the legendary Randy Moss, was sent to NE. I immediately traded for Brady and Randy in my FF leagues, despite the fact that allegedly Randy was washed up at that point. My years of watching NE play meant that I KNEW that either Brady or Moss were going to set some kind of record. How anyone could not forsee what was to come is beyond me. You put RANDY MOSS on a team that makes Branch and Boston look like solid players, and has an OL that will give Moss plenty of time to get downfield, along with a quarterback who is smart and accurate? How the hell am I seemingly the only person who sees what is about to go down??

The rest, as they say, is history. 

Here's an honest, unbiased opinion of a guy who has seen Brady grow up in this league and become what he is today.

Let me get the big one out of the way first. He owes most of his success to BB's brilliance. I cannot emphasize that enough. BB, those OL, their defenses and Vinateri carried Brady in his early years. From 2007 to today, it has been BB, those OL and some extraordinary talent on the offensive side of the ball that has allowed Brady to shine.

Now this is the point where people start to feel like what I am saying is "Brady bashing". No, it's common knowledge. It isn't some revolutionary idea that I came up with. I just happened to observe this developing in real time. For many years now, people like myself have said that "Brady is a product of the system". Eventually, with the internet becoming more and more ubiquitous each year (remember, even just ten years ago, many people did not have or want internet access), this observation began spreading like wildfire, and everyone and their grandmother started parroting it -- to the point where the phrase lost it's meaning and impact.

And besides, this is NOT bashing Brady. Fact is, he has assets that would ensure his success ANYWHERE he went. He is accurate with the ball, he has a high football IQ, a fast release, and most importantly of all, he is one of the hardest working and motivated players in the league. Tom Brady would be a good QB no matter whose jersey he had worn. But New England is the team that made him great.

For all those positive qualities I just mentioned, fact is, Brady has some severe limitations as well. His arm strength is adequate for his dink and dunk offenses, or for throwing hail maries to Randy Moss, but it is not enough to allow him to throw his way out of trouble. You ever wonder why he throws the ball away a lot, particularly in the red zone? Yes, often it is because it is the right thing to do. And often, it is because he does not have the physical ability to consistently throw balls into coverage. Anyone who has played football at any level can tell you this: you can beat good single coverage with a spot on throw. Any QB can do that; Brady is accurate enough that he can do it consistently, to his credit. To beat double coverage? Either you need a size mismatch, or you need an absolutely on point throw and a missile for an arm. That Brady does not have. Don't believe me? Pay very close attention next time you see Brady in the red zone, where this will be at it's most obvious. Not near the goal line, where his dumpoffs get him easy TDs, but from 10 - 20 yards out. If Gronk isn't in single coverage, he will rarely try to hit a WR while in the end zone unless there is a big hole to throw into, he'll throw the pass short and hope to get some YAC.

Brady also has zero mobility, nor is he particularly good throwing it on the run. Stats show that Brady plays very well against the blitz. But that is why stats are for people who don't actually watch the game -- those stats do not show you how well their OL picks up the pass rush, holding it back long enough for Brady to find a quick pass to go to. And we all know what happens when a blitz fails and why it is considered risky...

Brady would be good here in Baltimore. But, scoff all you'd like, he would not do the job as well as Flacco does here. He very simply is not built for that, and history has shown that time and time again. People just do not understand how important it is for a player to fit into a team's scheme and philosophy.And when I say that Brady would not be as good as Flacco is here in Baltimore, some people construe that as an insult to Brady. It isn't an insult, it is simple reality. Why do you think we passed on Peyton Manning a few years ago when he hit the free agent market, and gave all that money to Flacco instead? Sure, Manning was getting up there in age, being 34 at the time, but this is the guy people call the greatest QB of all time, and he still had years of play ahead of him. I can tell you exactly why: 1. Because Flacco is a monster and 2. We knew Manning could not survive in this system.

Now I'm not directly comparing Flacco to Manning or Brady. But not because I don't think Flacco doesn't have several glaringly obvious advantages over them, but because it is impossible to compare two people in different systems. Let's also not forget that Manning and Brady spent their careers playing with superb OLs and HOF players at the skill positions, while Flacco has played with much less support, in a division known for it's defenses.

Great read. I agree with everything except brady would succeed anywhere he played. Brady's an intelligent player, but you have to think how much BB has to do with that and what he's taught him. As much as I hate the whole organization, BB included, I have to acknowledge he's probably the greatest coach of all time, with a scratchy legacy if you know what I mean. But he's still one of, if not the smartest coaches and I'm sure that's rubbed off on brady a great deal. To me brady is purely an immobile straight up pocket passer with great accuracy and football smarts but lacks a strong arm and many physical traits it would take to succeed here in the north. Defenses are built to get after you here, and without the quick underneath dink and dunk routes with the kind of oline you mentioned brady would get crushed here in Baltimore with the system that's been instilled here at least since the flacco era. I also feel the same about the great Peyton Manning. My favorite QB of all time with favre, in no order being next to him, I have to believe Peyton would not succeed as well. Now favre? Oh yeah! A lot more mobile then both brady and Manning and has the arm and talents to survive in the north. I know this has nothing to do with him but I did mention him and miss watching him play and being the legend he is, I couldn't help myself lol. Sorry for the rambling, but that's how I feel and that's just my opinion, respectfully of course. Brady to me is nothing more then a product of a genius system. The only time anyone ever has any success of stopping that system is you have to be ridiculously talented at defense with great coaching, ala Denver last season. Or have the brains on defense like we did with ray and reed back in 2012 in the afccg. 

6 hours ago, kennethyamini1989 said:

he also had 3 superbowls by that time...and was averaging 3500-4k yards pre pass happy/friendly league....please do not compare Joe Flacco to Tom Brady arguably the best QB in NFL history...

Sorry man you can disagree if you want but my opinion is Brady is nothing but a system quarterback. I won't take away from his pure football intelligence but if you take Brady out of that system I guarantee you he becomes average at best. Brady gets his yards and touchdowns from the greatest tight end in the NFL and his shifty Lil receivers who run very shallow routes and pick up huge yac. You put him in ravens system and u have nothing! With the intelligence of Mr bill and his OC he's setup to be great. Again this is just my opinion and the way I see things. I'm certainly not the only one who sees this though.

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

The two straight pass and run play on 3rd and 9 really pissed me off. What you all stated were severe flaws when it came to him. You know what else, it's said that Trestman always has a good first year, but goes really down hill his second for some reason.

Oh man!!! I almost punch my TV over that 3rd and 9 run in the red zone! Then what really took the cake was literally 1 second on the clock before halftime and they line up for a hail Mary just for Wagner to get hurt and flacco to get sacked or potentially injured as well. That right there sir is lack of a brain by trestman!!! If I was on the sideline I would have been arrested for all kinds of assault charges on him ?

1 hour ago, AsianRice said:

Boldin-Steve Smith SR

Jacoby Jones-Devin Hester

Bryant McKinnie-Ronnie Standley

Torrey Smith-Mike Wallace

 

No. 

Sss >>> Q except Q was better at going up for contested catches. Sss is better overall.

I'll give u Jacoby.

Stanley >>>BMAC 

Wallace >>>Torrey

Plus Gilmore >>>Dickson

Pitta still pitta. 

Ray rice >>> west for now. Rice had some what of a down year for him.

He's fine. Ton of talent and potential. I see it every game. I think the games moving a little to fast for him he just has to slow it down a little bit. He will get it with more experience. This is technically his rookie year. He missed all of training camp last year plus the season and pretty Much all camp this year and has a handful of plays in 1 single preseason game. He's just catching up. He reminds me of Torrey where he was making sick plays in practice just not transitioning to the field. Except perrimans potential it head and shoulders above Torrey. Patience people.

Its kinda creepy. A death within the organization just like 2012. We lose to the skins just like 2012. We fire our OC the day after just like 2012. We know we have talent and potential just like 2012. So now let's get hot bust our playbook wide open and win a Superbowl 

44 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Ugh. Where to begin...

1. Its 2016. Nobody cares about completion percentage, yardage, or Passer rating. They're horrific measurements of QB success. Passer rating isn't even a statistic people take seriously. 

2. If you claim to be taking contracts into account, then lets do that. Why no mention of 2013, when Stafford made $18.5M and had 23 turnovers? Or in 2012, when he had more turnovers than passing TDs? Why no mention of those?

Are we also just going to ignore the Lions record during Stafford's tenure as well? I thought QBs as good as him were supposed to elevate their team to a level where they'd start winning games, no?

3. No weapons? Golden Tate isn't a weapon? So those 100 catches and 1300 yards two years ago isn't enough to classify him as a weapon? 

I'd trade their WR core for ours straight up in a heartbeat, and so would Flacco.

4. I think Torrey Smith kind of debunked the whole "Joe doesn't elevate the players around him" theory. I think that one's been officially put to bed.

5. Isn't a QB in the league that carries his team. That includes all the "great" one's... Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. They aren't individually carrying anything. When their teammates don't play well, they lose. I can fire examples after examples out of a cannon of this for eternity.

Fans that think that just simply don't understand football. 

This right here sir? Plus 10000000000000000000

So earlier they decide to run it on 3rd and 9 in the red zone and accept the field goal but with one second in the half they wana go for a hail Mary from 60 yards away and let ur quarterback take a sack which is taking a chance of getting injured for a play that has next to no chance of being successful anyway. Coaching is a serious problem for this team. Harbaugh better get his Crap together. Same Crap year in and year out

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I do wonder why Kendrick Lewis went in for Webb after he got hurt over Levine. Levine has shown a lot more potential in coverage.

They played Levine a lot in preseason and he was arguably our best defender at the time. Now he gets nothing but special teams. Wonder why?

Anybody notice how happy and excited jack Del Rio was? He acted like he won the Superbowl. I know he was formerly apart of our 2000 Superbowl team and he's also beat us before so I dont get why he was excited. He's only 3-1 the same as us and its a long season. I just dont understand all the smiles. Idk maybe I'm ranting. I just dont like that guy though lol

I can tell you now the way I see things. And believe me I'm what you guys call a "flacco apologist" to the fullest. I love flacco! But to me he seems to not go fully through his progressions and quite often misses wide open receivers. We could have a guy 30 yards down field for example and he will lock on to his number 1 read from the start or he might make it to his second read but from there get nervous or anxious and throw into contested coverage or just check it down. Seems like mental errors more then anything just like he's throwing off his back foot. To me he just seems worried about his knee.

Did anyone hear of any injury update on Stanley after last week's game? I didn't hear him speak of it until he was reported during the week in a boot and not practicing. Hate how harbs has his players not speak upon things like that. He's so secretive about that kind of thing. You never get heads or tails out of him. See perriman situation last year.

22 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

If Forsett was benched, I'm not sure how Wright can't be benched after today. He was beyond terrible.

There's no way he dont get benched! At this point I dont see how anyone who replaces him can be any worse. But then again you know how harbs sometimes likes giving guys the benefit of the doubt and waits sometimes to long to make moves. But on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with a surprise injury and can suit up next week. Again you know how harbs is.