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5 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Aiken was a product of being the only healthy body on the field. Obviously if you are the only guy playing you are going to get targeted. Heck, we turned Kelley Washington into a cult hero for a season too. Jacoby Jones had a really good season here.

And look at what Aiken reverted back to this season. Did you see any real progression out of Perriman, Chris Moore, or Darren Waller?

What was a big issue this year for our wideouts? Not getting separation....again. So to me, that's all on technique. You are seeing progress I am not. The two biggest contributors to the wideout position were free agents (Smith and Wallace) not guys we drafted. I think all of our Wideouts should spend a season getting coached by Dennis Pitta and learn how to work free in zone coverage. That guy is a master at his craft.

You know I've understood that! Aiken being pretty much "the guy" cause everyone else went down. That's true! But when called upon he proved he can get it done. Teams knew aiken was pretty much all we had. They watch film and should be able to point out that Aiken's our biggest weapon. So why can't they just take him out the game and shut him down? Because he actually has talent and can make things happen given the right opportunity. I'm not saying he's a world beater by any means but when given a chance he's a serviceable #1 and can probably be a great #2. 

11 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's tough.  I'm still of the belief that he'll be gone at some point, but the comments today gave me the first bit of pause in that opinion.

Maybe there waiting for the annual press conference? I thought for sure today I'd wake up to a text message saying Marty is fired

Just now, codizzle said:

Well one of them needs to step up and claim it 

Exactly. Maxx has been non existent even when healthy. Gilmore has had it flashes but to inconsistent. Waller has potential and I like him a lot but has a case of the dropsies and Boyle I like a lot but just haven't seen much in the passing game. As of now pitta is far and beyond our best option until proven otherwise. I get the ypc thing is low but he's moving chains. I don't see how he can be judged off of his ypc when our whole offense was built off check downs the whole season.

17 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:

Chris Simms is dead to me

I wouldn't be sad in the least bit if such a "tragity" struck. 

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Jason Witten had 9.8, so not exactly close.  Our other TEs had no more than 10 receptions each, so again, not exactly close.  I like Pitta and it was cool to see him comeback, but for his skill set as a pure receiving TE, 8.5 YPR is awful for the number of receptions he had and number of snaps he played.

My opinion isn't gona change yours and vise versa. I like pitta going forward and you dont. It is what it is now let's see what happens in the upcoming months.

Just now, rmw10 said:

There were plenty of times where they tried to get Pitta going up the seam but he didn't have the speed to separate.  Not every single route was him sitting in that pocket 5 yards from the LOS.  For a guy that doesn't block, there's very little value.  A receiving TE is supposed to stretch the field.  If he can't do that anymore, then he doesn't have much use.

None of our TE's got out of the 8 ypc range including waller Gilmore and Boyle. And for flacco having 6.5 ypa that sums up our whole offense lol. I guess Jason witten can't do it anymore either cuz he had about the same as pitta ypc 

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

To put it into perspective - Pitta was 14th in the league in total receptions.  Pitta was also 131st in the league in YPR.  The only TE worse was Will Tye.  Everyone else underneath of him, from 133 to 154, is a RB.  That's incredibly bad.

Dude our WHOLE offense was nothing but check downs from TE to WR to RB. We rarely ever took any deep shots and when we did it was to smith and Aiken! Wallace and perriman ran crossing routes and slants which is good they can do more then just run deep but at some point they need to be used to there strengths. I don't care what the stats say I still stand by pitta regardless. I do wish he would restructure tho.

4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

For having 86 catches, Pitta's 8.5 YPC average is by far the lowest of anyone in the upper realm of the reception numbers.  When you see that number of catches with 729 yards, it looks good on first glance.  When you really delve into it though, it's a very inefficient season for him.  It shows that he couldn't get open down the seam and couldn't get separation on anything other than those short routes where he sits in the pocket, which a team will be willing to give up all day depending on the situation.  For a guy that has 0 interest in blocking, that's a death sentence.  It's great that he can sit there for a check down, but so many other TEs can probably give you the same exact production if you used them in the same way.

Gonna have to agree to disagree then man. 

1 hour ago, K-Dog said:

None.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Our guys had no heart for this game. U could see it easily. The will to fight wasn't there. They gave up after last weeks heart breaking loss.

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

The tough part with Pitta is that so many of his catches came via the check down variety, and so many went for such little gain. I want to like Pitta based on the numbers, but the reality is that he's a shell of his former self. The YAC numbers are awful, although he did have a good game in that regard today. 

One of the things that doesn't show up on the stat book though is Joe's reliance on him, which is a blessing and a curse. It's nice that he has a go to option when the going gets tough, but at the same time, he doesn't let anything else develop because he's always looking for Pitta. Joe was very unwilling to throw the deep ball and progressed/skipped through his reads so quickly because he knew more often than not, Pitta was going to be sitting in a pocket 5 yards downfield. Teams let it happen because it wasn't much of a threat to do anything. 

I get what your saying about check downs but our whole offense has been check down city. We've seen our offense all season send our 2 possession receivers Aiken and smith deep and have Wallace and perriman run slants and crossing routes! Flacco goes to pitta so much cuz he has a proven track record especially with each other. Look at our offense today for example. Nobody was getting separation even Chris Simms of all people was pointing that out all game. Dont matter if pitta was deep or not he was the only one doing anything all game.

Btw today's black Monday! Wonder what breaking news out of Baltimore we wake up to? 

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Glad you can tell me my perception of words. I was not a fan of pitta coming back even at his new price,  he was good in his time but he isn't worth the money.  Touchdowns aren't a good way to judge a player,  it's dependent on the situation.   He did have decent production but at his cost,  no thanks.  And I'm sure alot other players would look great ton paper with 5tds.... Doesn't work that way... Id rather have our young guys get a shot than have a guy that's 30ish off of two bad injuries getting paid what he is.  

I see tight end almost like I see our running backs the past few seasons. A revolving door!! Since rice was let go how many backs have we drafted signed or had in our backfield altogether? Same with TE. That's only because pitta went down for a couple seasons. Pitta might be early on the wrong side of 30 but he came back from a career threatening injury TWICE to be our leading receiver flaccos go to guy and a chain mover. Pitta has never been one to stretch the field he dont have that speed and never has! But he's a reliable chain mover who flacco trust probably more then anybody on the field! You dont like his price? Hell me neither but I like what he's done his first season back! I love Darren waller and nick Boyle to. Both have a ton of potential but neither has done anything to take Pitta's job and if pitta is cut were probably right back to a revolving door in TE again with maxx, waller, Gilmore and Boyle and whatever old a** vet we bring in after Pitta's cut. Like I said I think pitta stays and to me he's earned it

17 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think your definition of great and everyone else's is drastically different 

If pitta had a few more touchdowns this season at least 5 or 6 total your definition would be the same lol

Wallace needs an extension for sure he earned it. Would like to keep Wagner but I see him walking and lewis taking over RT. B.will walks. Aiken I wouldn't mind keeping but I believe he walks also for a better opportunity but with smith retiring he may stay. We know he won't be expensive. Also I know Pitta's not a FA but no way he's cut. He's still very productive and a chain mover. This was his first year back after missing a couple seasons and did great. I'm excited for his future

Just now, redrum52 said:

Cool if you blame Bwill for redzone picks?

Blame joe for not being open all game. Blame joe for sending smith and Aiken deep all year instead of Wallace or perriman. Blame joe for shaving points off the board early in the season. Blame joe for dropped passes all season. Blame joe for being joe. Get over it flaccos our guy period. Also blame joe for that under throw by mallett for a pick lol

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's it!

Just run through the defense like a hot knife through butter for another TD!! 

Blame flacco for not taking on the double team and not making the tackle

I gotta bring this up. Joe has over 4000 yards and missed the playoffs and people are crying. But when joe has 3500 and goes to the playoffs people still cry cuz he didn't make it to 4000 lmao that right there sums up our fan base 😂😂😂

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Thank Perriman for the TD. This had nothing to do with Joe except a completion on the slant.

What's crazy is that's most of bradys offense is hit his quick shifty dink and dunk receivers and there all RAC guys but yet bradys still credited for it all. All game his receivers run 5 yard routes turning them into 10 15 to 20 yard gains but it dont count when flacco does it. Reminds me of the Superbowl run people said joe threw jump balls to boldin every game and discredited anything flacco did but when Stafford threw jumpers to Megatron into triple coverage he's labeled better then joe. When aj green gets jumpers Dalton is the man same with Ryan and Julio. Flacco will forever be the red headed step child by his own fans and the NFL period its sad

Our defense is nasty and not in a good way! For me this proves jimmy smith is our defense MVP. Eric weddle has done great things but the way this defense falls when jimmy is out literally makes me question the term there's no I in team

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

They've also mentioned his lack of playmakers and a system that is just a horrible fit for him, but it's all Flacco's fault.

What really kills me is if your receivers are covered these fans expect him to make magic happen so if he forces a throw and gets picked there bashing him there to. Ridiculous. People lack common sense. And yes our system is horrible.

1 minute ago, PalmBayRaven said:

We only have to put up with him 2 more years at most. Then we can cut him.

My point is proven 😂😂😂😂

Its amazing every single drive you hear the broadcast crew talk about how flacco has no time and even when he does no ones open anyway but yet people continue to bash him. I guess he has to run routes catch the ball and also block for his self to. People have no football intelligence what so ever. What's hilarious to me is flacco will be here for years to come and you unintelligent flacco haters have to deal with it or go bandwagon another team lol get over it

Would love to have norv turner as OC, but I think Marty stays to have a year under his own offense or at least more of his touch. Also I believe they want continuity and I have to agree there.

I just dont understand the "bend but dont break" philosophy from pees? Why play soft and safe and give up a massive amount of yards? I get the whole prevent zone coverage, but that last drive the D wasn't preventing anything except a win for there team! For me, the last drive consisted of 3 things. 1. Play to not let them in field goal range. They was only down by 3 so let the D hunt and finish the game right there for the team. No overtime! 2. If they happen to get into field goal range then you must absolutely do everything to not give up a TD since #1 has failed. And 3. IMO would be try to get turnovers! Weather its a pick, a fumble, or turnover on downs! Pees was calling it way to soft giving EVERYTHING up underneath. He wanted to keep everything in front which is understandable, but your giving up first down after first down and letting pit get out of bounds on will. Pitts Wr's are excellent RAC guys so why let them catch it and run underneath getting all the first downs working there way down field at ease? And what really blew my mind was Pitt had the ball around the 10 yard line, I believe 3rd and 6, pees leaves the middle of the field WIDE OPEN not even trying to prevent the first down, he was playing the end zone and said to hell with forcing 4th and making them tie the game up with a field goal. To me, that last first down is what sealed the game, because Pitt is way to good not to score inside the 5 yard line with a fresh set of downs. You guys may have your own opinion, and by all means please share, buy again, to me pees called a horrible game. Especially on the last drive! I understand players have to play and execute, I agree 100%, but if you dont put your guys in position to succeed how can they? My fiance doesn't know much about football so I had to explain my point like this when she asked how pees called terrible plays and the players didn't stop anything. I told her its 11 guys on offense and defense alike. If pitt goes 4 wide and pees calls an all out blitz and blitzes 8 guys then that only leaves 3 men in coverage! One of Pitts guys is gonna be wide open! How can you get mad at the players when the coordinator set them up for failure? They can't cover everybody. That 1 guy is free to do whatever. But knowing how pees thinks, he will trust the blitz to get there before Ben hits his hot receiver who's wide the hell open just like he trusts the sorry a** bend but dont break scheme that hasn't worked in the last 4 years!!! Who the hell in there right mind thinks its ok to give up first down after first down and yards after yards playing soft like that!? A prevent defense is more so to not give up the big play, but what's the point of being scared to give up a big play when your just allowing Pitt or whoever to take whatever they want in smaller chunks!? There gona get the yards regardless then! Pees is to busy playing [profanity deleted]ing scared and will blow the game in embarrassing fashion rather then to call the game the way you did when you was a top 3 defense! After all the countless games this man has blew over the years by playing the same [profanity deleted]ing scheme you would wonder when he realizes it doesn't work and never will!!! Please get rid of pees!!!