Pal I forgot more about Football then you ever know now go back down in mommys basement
Funny... considering one of us is watching tape right now on draft prospects as we speak
Big deal and one of us actually has a real job
Thanks for your support billiejean I remember you when Im at the top
are you sure you aren't already the gm of the redskins?
Pal I forgot more about Football then you ever know now go back down in mommys basement
I do a lot better job than you
and that is why I am encouraging you to put in your resume
Thanks for your support billiejean I remember you when Im at the top
I noticed billie jean that you like to comment on about everything I say you must really like me In the case of weddle I don't give a damn what anybody else thinks I know what a good football player looks like and you can disagree from now till hell freezes over but it doesn't change what I see Weddle is a average NFL safety and yes Me and lots of other smart fans know more about players than Some coaches, coaches sometimes have emotional attachment to players and fans will call it like it is by the way forgot to mention when weddle moved out of carson wentz's way and watched him score
I commented on your post this morning because it was such an outrageous assertion. You should give your resume to Ozzy and the guys if you think you know more than they do. We need all of the help we can get at this point. With your 5 years of "organized football" experience you will be a shoe in.
I do a lot better job than you
No the ravens want to keep lewis at LG to help protect flacco's blind side when you lose a RT you get a RT you don't start moving guys out of position that just makes thing worse and the ravens have a couple of RT's that are big and athletic that they like don't worrie if we lose some one they will find a replacement
Funny, because the Ravens think Lewis' best position might actually be RT. He was playing LG (out of position) out of necessity. I honestly don't think he was a good fit at LG and starting two rookies on the blind side was a bad idea. No surprise to me that the team improved when Yanda went to LG.
I don't care what they think their was just a report out this week that said the ravens want to keep lewis at LG to have a solid Left side of line which to me makes perfect sense
There is a forum post about potential Raven free agent walk-aways and in that post I guessed that both Brandon William and Rick Wagner would walk. Not because the Ravens don't like them, but they can't afford to sign them what some other team will be happy to stuff their wallets with.
It helps that Micheal Pierce showed up like he did and that we still have Carl Davis and Willie Henry in house, plus I am sure the Ravens will pick up another body in the later rounds of the draft or get some UDFA.
The Ravens like the idea of Alex Lewis at RT and he will sort of be forced to do this when Wagner breaks the bank. That leaves a guard spot open. I know Yanda says he wants to go back to RG next season but I think for the good of the team he should stay at LG. I think it is easier to find a rookie/vet to play RG than LG and I don't like the idea of two rather young guys on the blind side of Flacco. Stanley played better with Yanda next to him than he did with Alex Lewis next to him.
D.J. Fluker was just released and coming off of a down year after coming back from an injury. He's big, strong, nasty and is more of a RG/RT. Not sure what his market will be, but he's only 25 and might be a value signing.
No the ravens want to keep lewis at LG to help protect flacco's blind side when you lose a RT you get a RT you don't start moving guys out of position that just makes thing worse and the ravens have a couple of RT's that are big and athletic that they like don't worrie if we lose some one they will find a replacement
Bye Wagner. Bye Juice. Bye Williams. Bye Brandon Marshall. Bye Pierre Garcon too??
They can all be replaced.Its been quite at the Ravens Facility for a Reason I thing they have their eye on Jefferson at safety and mangold at center
Besides Weddle, who isn't that great but solid, we just can't judge the safety position- same things is true with TEs as of late. Maybe we need to let someone else draft/ decide which FAs to pick up in these positions
Eric weddle played at an all pro level last year even if it wasn't recognised - he's way more than solid - he solidified an entire unit by being excellent and a leader - I don't think there's any doubt that he was a phenomenal signing
notice how all the teams with the most cap space are perennial losers and the teams who annually spend the most in free agency are perennially mediocre - overpaying doesn't pay
right player-right price and Jefferson would not fit that bill - we'd be dumping Webb for a guy who we would be paying similarly when Webb played pretty well last year for his first season at safety
I see you are a weedle fan but just to clear it up he's average and on the down side of his career If he could have tackled A brown we would have beat the steelers and the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover
To be clear, Weddle missed THREE tackles ALL year. He was graded as the 10th BEST player in the ENTIRE nfl and the BEST safety in the league.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/10/14559076/pff-ranks-two-ravens-among-the-top-10-players-of-2016
He got beat over the top ONE TIME (link below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AC2if-GELA
It seems that these two plays (A Brown stop, C Hogan bomb) have become so prominent in your mind that you have extrapolated them across the entire season.Yes because those 2 plays alone each cost us the game those are facts and far as pff goes their rankings don't mean JACK
Well, jsarrocohome you have bolstered your arguments in the past by highlighting your participation in "organized football" for 5 years. And I must admit that, that is extremely impressive. And it is an accomplishment that automatically makes your arguments about the Ravens much more credible than those that have played 4, 3, 2, 1 or 0 years of football. But I would ask you this... has your 5 years of football made you better at player evaluation than the coaches, players and pundits in the NFL. I ask you this because you will not find an article, interview, or transcript that agrees with your evaluation of Weddle. Are you so good at player evaluation that you are seeing something that they don't? Are they missing something so big that it would completely change their minds about Weddle?
If you can find an article, interview or transcript that supports your views I would love to see it.
Now lets forget about PFF for a moment. I am going to directly disprove your accusations.
"can't tackle he's slow and so overrated"
This is quote from you which I am going to disprove with real FACTS (Labeling your objective statements as facts is a bit disingenuous.)
WEDDLE missed THREE tackles this whole year. The notion that he can't tackle is absurd.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/10/14559076/pff-ranks-two-ravens-among-the-top-10-players-of-2016
"the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover"
This is another one of your statements. For the first half of the year Weddle game up 5 passes for 25 yards. For the second half of the year he gave up 9 catches only one was for 25 yards or greater. Add on to that 4 interceptions and 13 passese defensed. Being out of position was clearly not an issue that he dealt with this year.http://feed.hypervocal.com/items/438534
These are facts. These are objective numbers with no grey area. Capitalizing the word "FACTS" does not make your subjective statements any more real.
I noticed billie jean that you like to comment on about everything I say you must really like me In the case of weddle I don't give a damn what anybody else thinks I know what a good football player looks like and you can disagree from now till hell freezes over but it doesn't change what I see Weddle is a average NFL safety and yes Me and lots of other smart fans know more about players than Some coaches, coaches sometimes have emotional attachment to players and fans will call it like it is by the way forgot to mention when weddle moved out of carson wentz's way and watched him score
There is no need to sign any FA this year. There team is in good shape overall. Some players will move on, same as every year and every team, some will stay. They will bolster the roster with talent and fill in many of the glaring needs of the past few seasons. Also having you starting QB in good health and some of the veteran players such a Dumervil in good health only makes the team more dangerous.
Marshall would be a nice thought. At 33 and 6 mil/year that is just too steep to miss on and who knows how long he has left til the age starts catching up. I would much rather the Ravens allow their young WR to grow and play. Trial by fire. They will not develop if they are never given ample opportunity.
Next year figures to be a good year for comp picks, 2-3 potentially (two 3rd's & 4th)
This team needs to upgrade at least 10 players we have a lot of overpaid players that need to go
Besides Weddle, who isn't that great but solid, we just can't judge the safety position- same things is true with TEs as of late. Maybe we need to let someone else draft/ decide which FAs to pick up in these positions
Eric weddle played at an all pro level last year even if it wasn't recognised - he's way more than solid - he solidified an entire unit by being excellent and a leader - I don't think there's any doubt that he was a phenomenal signing
notice how all the teams with the most cap space are perennial losers and the teams who annually spend the most in free agency are perennially mediocre - overpaying doesn't pay
right player-right price and Jefferson would not fit that bill - we'd be dumping Webb for a guy who we would be paying similarly when Webb played pretty well last year for his first season at safety
I see you are a weedle fan but just to clear it up he's average and on the down side of his career If he could have tackled A brown we would have beat the steelers and the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover
To be clear, Weddle missed THREE tackles ALL year. He was graded as the 10th BEST player in the ENTIRE nfl and the BEST safety in the league.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/10/14559076/pff-ranks-two-ravens-among-the-top-10-players-of-2016
He got beat over the top ONE TIME (link below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AC2if-GELA
It seems that these two plays (A Brown stop, C Hogan bomb) have become so prominent in your mind that you have extrapolated them across the entire season.
Yes because those 2 plays alone each cost us the game those are facts and far as pff goes their rankings don't mean JACK
I see you are a weedle fan but just to clear it up he's average and on the down side of his career If he could have tackled A brown we would have beat the steelers and the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover
What are you talking about? Weddle had a fantastic season and was ranked as the #1 safety in the entire league by pff.
Pff rankings are ajoke and what Im talking about is against the Pats he bit up on a run that Didn't happen and was torched by Brady this happened late in 4th quarter when as a safety your Only job is to not get beat deep and keep everything in front of you,several missed tackles thru out season one in particular that cost us the steeler game against A brown he had him wrapped up and still coudn't stop him that cost us that game I think he's OK but not great that's what Im talking about and these are Facts
That could come the day we sign Jefferson
Well i've heard the potential salary for Jefferson is about 7-8M/a year... I think he's worth it unless we plan on landing a safety in the draft that is plug and play.
He's not worth close to berry money
Jefferson is totally worth it and he's only 25
But he plays the exact same way as weddle - so we'd be playing two guys with not that much range and we'd be paying them a lot of money - I don't know what this infatuation with Jefferson is on some parts of these boards - he's an above average box safety and that's about it
Weddle will only be here this year
We saved 5 million and spent 2 of it on West, what are we doing!!!!!!
If you are talking about Terrance west he's worth the 2 mill I mean did you not see the guy play also its to quite on the ravens front their up to something
But he plays the exact same way as weddle - so we'd be playing two guys with not that much range and we'd be paying them a lot of money - I don't know what this infatuation with Jefferson is on some parts of these boards - he's an above average box safety and that's about it
Weddle is a due it all safety. He can play free safety as well as strong safety. He takes great angles to the ball and ball carrier. If we sign Jefferson, we would most likely waive Webb, move Weddle to Free Safety and have Jefferson as strong safety.
not sure we go that route, but I'm a big Jefferson fan
Weddle plays out of position gets beat deep a lot and can't tackle he's slow and so overrated was good at 1 time but no where close to ed reed
8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:Now we have to cut Pitta, let Juice walk, and then Flacco will be on his own- that might be scary... in a bad way... While I like Torrey, it doesnt make sense to bring him back with Perriman and Wallace on the team. Perriman wont amount to much this season either but still...All i know, like i said last year, we aint making the playoffs this year either. We had an easy schedule last year- thats why our defense was ranked high- it was all a lie
How do you know what perriman is going to do? give the guy a chance he's only played 1 year I will bet you he will have a lot better year this year than last you do realize that coaches have to use the players enough and correctly to get the most out of them
Besides Weddle, who isn't that great but solid, we just can't judge the safety position- same things is true with TEs as of late. Maybe we need to let someone else draft/ decide which FAs to pick up in these positions
Eric weddle played at an all pro level last year even if it wasn't recognised - he's way more than solid - he solidified an entire unit by being excellent and a leader - I don't think there's any doubt that he was a phenomenal signing
notice how all the teams with the most cap space are perennial losers and the teams who annually spend the most in free agency are perennially mediocre - overpaying doesn't pay
right player-right price and Jefferson would not fit that bill - we'd be dumping Webb for a guy who we would be paying similarly when Webb played pretty well last year for his first season at safety
I see you are a weedle fan but just to clear it up he's average and on the down side of his career If he could have tackled A brown we would have beat the steelers and the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover
What took so long
For me as a fan, it has become hard to determine just who or what I am cheering for. Is it the team or the bird on the side of the helmet? How am I to have allegiance for the players if they are always looking to see if the grass is greener on some other team. They deserve to get paid but the big money is ruining football for me. I enjoy watching the young players develop until their rookie contract is up, then they are gone from the team. And, getting a 3rd round comp pick for KO is just wrong. Teams that take a pro-bowl caliber players from another team should be forced to give up their first round pick to the team they stole from. Maybe that will stop the insanity. I have seen a lot of changes in football in my 60 years but for me, free agency is ruining what it means to be a "fan".
Its a year to year business the team changes a little every year but I like the old way better were guys stayed with 1 team their whole career with few exceptions
Powers isn't as bad as you guys make him out to be. He is worth hanging on to if we don't have anyone better at the position. Wright was the weak link last year.
No he's not he's Terrible
Again... why could Powers be so successful in Arizona but struggle so much in BMORE. This is the M.O. for DBs in Dean Pees defense... and unless you are a super star like Weddle this seems to hold true.
Will Hill... great in NY ... inconsistent at best in BMROE
D Stewart... Great in Denver (since leaving) ran out of BMORE
J. Ihedigbo... Great in Detroit... (since leaving) ran out of BMORE
B. Pollard... Great in Tennessee struggled at best under Pees.
W Davis ... played very well in Miami... cant make it under Pees system
J. Powers... played very well in Arizona... cant make it in BMORE
Sharece Wright...
the list goes on and on... when are we going to figure out the we could have Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Weddle and Landon Collins back there and our DBs will struggle bc of Pees scheme.
I really believe that the only reason the DBs were better last year is bc of the presence of Leslie Fraiser. Now that he is gone ... I am really concerned. I think we will continue to struggle to stop the pass and Pees will continue to have excuses. We will bend but not break (until the 4th quarter) and then we will break losing more and more heartbreakers... and Pees will say that it is bc we drafted a bunch of young DBs who are learning the system.
When he had old veterans like ; Ed Reed, Pollard, DStewart, Ihedigbo and others... he said they were too old and we needed an influx of talent. NO WE NEED A NEW DC. that is where the talent is needed the most.
With that said... we may as well off load Powers or any DB that is not on a rookie contract (not named weddle or jimmy) bc they will all under perform... in a system that has never had success in the defensive backfield.
I been saying it for years now pees sucks that's why Bill belichic got rid of him he's not a good game time adjuster and our DB's play so far off the receivers I can't see them on my big screen and how in the hell can you stop a team for 3 and a half quarters and then let theme go down the field with ease and score and lose another game we should have won
the to players that were mentioned he might like them but that's not the one's their Interested in or he would be an Idiot to tip his hand before the draft
Powers got Beat like a Drum
these articles are premature. should wait until after free agency so we have a better sense of what the target positions will be the 1st few rounds. also please do not write anymore articles about flacco needing to do this or wanting to do that. we have read every possible article about flacco these past several years. how about doing articles about the scouts and the inner workings of building the draft board and what is discussed in pre draft meetings etc..etc..
They have nothing else to talk about right now
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