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I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

Completely dependent on another team paying that price.

If I were another team, I'd just wait a year, give you nothing, and sign him myself. He's getting a big contract regardless, and so that's factored in to the price tag.

If this deal were a year or two ago, we probably could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But factored into the cost of the trade is the cost the other team has to pay for the new contract... OR... the risk of not being able to sign him to an extension.

Maybe Jernigan's agent told teams that his client wouldn't sign an extension regardless. If so, that certainly drops his trade value a ton, because he's a one year rental to most teams at that point.

22 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

CAP SPACE !!!! Tom Brady. The five-time Super Bowl champion, who officially staked his claim as the greatest quarterback in the history of the game, was the highest-paid player on the New England Patriots this past season with a cap hit of $13,764,705. That’s because Brady tends to clean up in signing bonuses and guaranteed money.
Lets see Flacco "lower" his CAP SPACE so this team can sign at least 2 more much needed players ( center and DB ).
Then let's get TE Howard in the first round, a LB/Edge in second, O line in third, and a RB in fourth. Our RB are just to small to pound the ball in our division.

He pretty much can't lower his cap hit to the level that you require, nor should he.

Wasting your time.

5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

"quite obvious that a lot of you fans actually DESERVE a losing team"
LOL you continue to amaze. Who do you think you are? lol you must be a fun person away from the computer as well.....

Just a person with common sense...

Troll on.

7 hours ago, law215 said:

Why even consider bringing back Webb? He's old and slow. What young player do you not develop to give Webb snaps? Makes zero sense. Draft a Wr in the first round and then keep bring in vets to start ahead of him. No wonder Wr never develop under Ravens.

Which young player on the roster do we have to develop?

Here's a radical concept... if Webb is old and slow, then any young player who's actually worth a damn would simply play better than him in the preseason/training camp. Should be pretty easy to do if you're good right?

Not like we're going to be signing Webb to some 6 year contract. He may not even make the final roster.

What are we at the point where we're just supposed to hand a bunch of young guys some playing time (for doing nothing) and pray that they play well? And naturally I'm sure the fanbase will be so accepting of that decision when they don't play well.

Spoken like a true ignorant fan. Always great to call for all of the risks when you take responsibility for none of it.

4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Everyone is picking your comment apart, but your're right. Obviously we haven't drafted or brought in a lot of awesome wrs. But the qb and style of offense obviously plays a large role.

Yup, and in many ways, it plays a large role in some of those guys being as GOOD as they are.

Namely, Torrey Smith.

8 hours ago, Crusader said:

Right on. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Mat Burk retired. What are Ravens still looking for? Linebacker, Safety, and a Center.5 years later. Has everyone forgot about the nightmare when Matt Burk retired in 2013?

Well we do have CJ Mosley, who's pretty good. If you fools still think we're going to find the next Ray Lewis or Ed Reed before you even die, you're just fooling yourself. There's 31 other teams teams in the league, and they've spent decades looking for players of that caliber. We haven't had them for all of about 5 years. O the humanity!

Yes, everybody forgot Birk. He wasn't here that long, was pretty average at the end, and the Ravens were pretty good in 2014 without him.

Again, its been a whopping like 3-4 years, and you guys act like its been an eternity.

A little perspective goes a long way folks. 

Starting to get back to the way it was a few months ago, when it was quite obvious that a lot of you fans actually DESERVE a losing team. 

7 hours ago, law215 said:

That just shows how poorly they draft receiver. They are not stars here and drop off shortly after.

And the solution of course is to just quit trying... because that makes perfect sense.

6 hours ago, Crusader said:

Gilmore had his best year that included 5 interceptions in 2016. Compare Jimmy Smith stats and pay to Gilmore the last 5 years. Both first rounders.Gilmore played 8 more games and getting less than Jimmy. I do recall the one reason people say Ravens lost the Steelers game was because Jimmy was not there or is that not now true?.

--Top ten QB in 2015 Stephon Gilmore, Bills came in at 11th and 26th all time. Jimmy was 71.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2623992-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-101-cornerbacks-from-2015

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/nfl-top-10-cornerbacks-rankings-richard-sherman-darrelle-revis

-- Also Check out what America thinks about the Timmy Jernigan trade.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

I say NE is the gold standard because they don't disappear for ten years after they win a Super Bowl. Their free agents were a Corner-back from a division rival Buffalo, Running back from Bengals, and a DT from the Ravens. All AFC. Ravens go after NFC players.. mostly.

Which doesn't matter of course, because there's no difference between AFC and NFC players.

Nothing special about either conference. Have you ever wondered why you're literally the only person that brings this up?

considering who weve had at QB since 1996 , its no wonder none of the receivers we draft become elite.

Yeah. There's definitely a long list of WRs who came here, sucked, and then played well elsewhere.

O wait...

Anquan is a proud man who signed and honored his contract. The Ravens reneged and tried to low-ball him on the deal. How honorable is that? Plus he is a Type-A personality with a strong memory. Boldin doesn't need the Ravens, its vice-versa!

About as honorable as a player threatening to hold out until they get a new contract.

Welcome to the NFL.

I think Webb has a really good personality and seems to be a "jell guy" in the locker room.....that being said I wouldn't re-sign him until after the draft for around the veteran minimum if at all. This team has been counting on aging vets for a while they need to groom other younger players especially in secondary. This draft has some very serious DB talent that can play for years and produce.

He would be signed as depth obviously. I seriously doubt he would be brought back to take the spot of a young player.

7 minutes ago, TorryGundy said:

That's why I wish we didn't over saturate the Roster with so many WR's And TE's . We could have built up better depth in the pass rush and Oline corps. Things where people tent to rotate in and out of successfully. We have to build the trenches with talent and depth.

You'll see more players at those positions during the regular season because they play ST. Your Dlineman and Olineman aren't your prevalent ST players, so that's where your depth has value.

Plus in training camp you need about as many bodies as you can get so that everybody gets a good look. There were times last season where we literally had to sign WRs in training camp/preseason seemingly off the street just so our QBs had somebody to throw to.

28 minutes ago, pep_meister said:

Would love to bring doom back on an incentive contract. Vet Min +$500k a sack or something.

He can likely get a better deal elsewhere.

8 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Not 4 receivers at one time, l'm just saying it gives Joe a decent amount of receivers to throw too. That's all. Don't necessary have to sign Boldin. It could just gives us another target that Joe is comfortable with. 

LOL, not saying at one time. I'm saying if you use another 1st or maybe even 2nd rounder on a WR AND sign Boldin, one of those two guys (or Perriman) simply isn't going to play that much.

Would at best have a role similar to Aiken's.

That's why if we address WR early in the draft, I don't think you'll see us sign another veteran like him.

6 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Yeah, maybe. Just thinking that it could add another weapon. 4 decent receivers could have Joe plenty of targets. 

We don't need 4 decent receivers at one time unless there's injuries. The 3rd WR in our system never put up quality production stats... and that's in a pass first offense. On a balanced team that runs the ball well, this offense is only going to yield production out of 1 TE and 2 WRs for the most part. Your 3rd WR is going to get maybe 3-4 targets a game and probably only catch 2-3 balls.

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I agree but have to get snaps to earn more. Waiting for that young wr that impresses coaches when he first practices 

Right, but those snaps come in the preseason and in training camp. That's when young players earn their playing time in the regular season.

Teams don't have the luxury of just throwing super young players out there in real games in order to "get snaps". That's how teams lose football games and coaches and GMs get fired.

If a guy is good, he's going to show you he's good in the offseason.

If we draft Mike Williams/Corey Davis and could sign Boldin on top of that, we could have a decent receiving core with Mike Williams/Corey Davis, Boldin, Mike Wallace, and Perriman. But for all of that, l wouldn't mind drafting Derek Barnett if they want to go a pass rusher route. Lot's of ways it could go out. 👍

If we use a first round pick on one of those guys, I highly doubt we would be interested in signing Boldin afterwards. Doesn't make much sense.

This is the problem I have with the Ravens overall plan. Why are you signing 6 mediocre WR and specialists, and talking about drafting a WR? You cannot do both. Every one of these seemingly small contracts is eating away at available cap space to sign others. If you want to give Campanaro a go, fine. But move on and draft a CB or end rather than waste the pick or the contract of the veteran. No need to have 5 TE's and 10 WR's on your roster. I truly think they have no clue.

1. There's no guarantee a guy like Camp even makes the team. He's guaranteed like $250K. If he doesn't cut it in camp/preseason, you move on. Not hard.

2. There really aren't that many other players available to be signed, and if we wanted to sign them, we could just cut other players in order to create space if we needed it. There's two guys on the roster right now I can tell you the FO probably has very little interest in seeing on this team this year.

3. They won't carry that many TEs or that many WRs on the final roster obviously. Teams DO need that many when it comes time for training camp/preseason, because if you don't have that many, then you won't be able to have an effective camp.

Would also point out that once you actually do get to the 53 man roster, WRs and TEs are important because they are often your core ST players. ST is kind of a big deal in the NFL, and unless you plan on sending guys like Wallace or Perriman out there to tackle returners, you're going to want some guys who can do that effectively.

  15 hours ago, designermaryland said:

This is the problem I have with the Ravens overall plan. Why are you signing 6 mediocre WR and specialists, and talking about drafting a WR? You cannot do both. Every one of these seemingly small contracts is eating away at available cap space to sign others. If you want to give Campanaro a go, fine. But move on and draft a CB or end rather than waste the pick or the contract of the veteran. No need to have 5 TE's and 10 WR's on your roster. I truly think they have no clue.

Ozzie is really liberal with Steve's money with these contracts. You don't see that with the gold standard team. NE.

Actually, you do. Look at the spending NE does every year.

20 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Ravens probably bring in a vet WR and except for Perriman the young WRs won't get that many snaps.

They'll get snaps if they earn them, which is what training camp/preseason is for.

Frankly, if any of them are worth anything, I'd expect them to outplay a veteran journeyman that we would sign at this point in order to get those snaps.

That's why Aiken isn't here anymore. Because he couldn't outplay Steve Smith and earn more playing time.

13 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

Obviously the FO doesn't think he's great... they spent a lot of money on his replacement and then cut him.

But as a depth player he's more than fine.

Just seems to me that you think teams have starting caliber players as backups everywhere in this league. Doesn't really work that way.

8 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Many fans wanted Collins. I did after a host on the fan turned me onto Collins. I watched some games and was convinced he would be drafted top20. And we wouldn't get him. When he was there at 26 i thought for sure he would be the pick. I told everybody that wanted him he would be drafted before we picked. He was definitely one of the more popular players of all the ravens fans I talked  draft with.

OK, and? Fans always want different players than the FO takes, because they think they know more about football than our FO or any FO does. Many fans hated the idea of us drafting Ray Lewis. This is nothing new.

10 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

There is such a thing as overpaid. When you fall short of the play the team thought it was getting.  If there was not such a thing as overpaid, nobody would ever be cut.

Every players drafted it is about how he is perceived to play. Top 60 picks are for players that are most likely to be standout players or else he wouldn't be drafted before the next 190 players. Whether it based on college production or potential of raw skill. Top 60 picks have a standard to play up to.

When a player is picked in round 6 and is below average. Nobody chastises the gm. Because the top players are mostly already drafted. And you can't really fault a gm. When a player is top 50 and is below average it is considered disappointing and the gm will be chastised by fans. And fired if he picks enough top50 busts. Because picking a bust in top 50 picks means you missed out on a lot of players that are top 1/3 at their position and better. If Judon busts nobody bats an eyelash. Correa being a bust will bring heavy criticism. Because of all the future top 1/3 players missed out on. Deion jones, Spence,Ngakoue, whitehair ,Ragland,Mitchell, cravens, Boyd, Alexander, Thomas to name some of

1. That's my point. There's no way somebody is considered "overpaid" until AFTER you have the luxury of seeing what the future holds. Fans try to pretend like they know if a player is going to be "overpaid" or not the moment they sign the deal, but they have no vague clue if that's true or not. 

Not a single person in history has ever gained anything from hindsight analysis.

2. Again, you saying Top 50 or 60 is just some arbitrary number you pulled out of thin air... it doesn't really have any meaning. You say top 60, but maybe its really top 20. Or top 30. Or top 40. 

Or here's a wild concept that I guarantee NFL teams consider... in some drafts, top 60 is a joke. Why? Because there might not even be 60 starting caliber football players in the whole draft. So by that arbitrary logic applied across the board without taking into account factors like how strong the draft class is, every single team would have a failing grade before the draft even starts.

3. NFL GMs don't really care about criticism from the fanbase over their perception of draft picks because, obviously, the fanbases perception over the quality or performance of draft picks doesn't always align itself with reality. I've never once seen a GM get fired because the fanbase didn't like his draft picks.

We pretty much already know that many GMs keep their jobs after whiffing often on 2nd and even 1st round picks, because there's multiple GMs that fall under that umbrella. The top 60-70 picks the Patriots have taken in the last 3-4 years has about ONE standout player in it... and they traded him away. Seahawks are pretty much the same. 2012 they took Bobby Wagner in the 2nd... where's the top 60-70 impact player they've taken since then? Why hasn't their GM been fired yet?

Hint: winning is what matters. You can draft poorly when you win. Who cares if some fans criticize you for it... THEY'RE FANS. They don't know any better. 

5 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

We shouldn't miss him, because he's not a starter anymore.

Now if Weddle or Jefferson gets hurt, its a different story. Not exactly sure if you've looked at the guys we've got behind them currently, but it ain't exactly "average depth" either.

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Thanks for that update on swearinger. I appreciate that. Has Webb visited any teams? Do you ask yourself why he's still available on the market? Because only you and Ravens wants him. Webb at his best was a slot corner mirroring guys like Wes Welker. Is Darius Byrd still available because take him at safety depth over webb any day. The 2016 Kansas city Chiefs had like 4 safeties that's why they almost let Berry walk.

Same could be said of any FA available. People want us to sign Mangold or Boldin or a bunch of other guys... why are they still unsigned? Most recent game film would definitely show Webb as a better safety than Byrd. But then again... Byrd is still available also, so you'd have to ask yourself why is he still on the market and nobody wants him? Same principle applies.

Every team has 4 safeties... the question is whether any of them are any good. Chiefs weren't that close to letting Berry walk. If they thought their 3rd safety was really good, then they wouldn't have given Berry an all-time contract for a S.

Its a pretty laughable notion that teams are just walking around with great players on their bench. There aren't even like probably 30-40 good safeties in the entire league. The idea that an individual team is sitting on 3 or 4 of them isn't very realistic.