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Neither do I. But at the same time, wasn't his name in the mix of the head coaching carousel? What if he becomes our OC and ends up doing well? I would fear it would be another one-and-done OC. 

 

I fear the same thing.

Yes, he could very likely be one and done.

But as I've said before, if we are exclusively in the business of only hiring coaches that we think will stay for a long time, we very likely aren't hiring the best coach we can get, and our offense will likely suffer from it.

My general rule of thumb is... the coaches that stay with teams for a long time are often the coaches that you DON'T want to stay here for a long time, or your team simply isn't doing very well.

Remember the Ravens haven't gotten permission to interview Gase yet. Elway COULD screw us again..wouldn't put it past him.

They're interviewing him tonight I believe...

Read that NYT article a page or two back.   Apparently Peyton and Gase emailed and texted all week long about strategy and gameplanning and Manning loved having this guy with him.   Just because Manning may have called things at the line doesn't mean he didn't have Gase calling plays in from the side.  

 

Apparently his ability to read defenses and remember tendencies is insane.   Being an OC isn't just about calling plays on Sunday, and if Peyton trusts him that much to put his plan together, I'd have to think he is good.

Yeah I agree. I have no problem with hiring hiim.

But there are plenty of viable questions, such as why the likes of Fox or Del Rio didn't take him with them to their new places. A lot of possible reasons for that, but its still worth pondering as part of the interview process.

Ultimately, gut feeling says we probably hire him in the next day or so.

Dont know when I voiced anything about looking for dud coaches so we can keep them. My message is that some of these coaches that comes here are for one thing. Themselves and nothing else. I like to see some coaches stay here for a while longer than 1-2year. Especially on offensive side considering how much changes we are having lately.

Every coach that I can think of has the goal of becoming a HC. They have an incentive to be great coordinators/coaches for whatever team they work for so that people will desire them as a HC.

Frankly, I'd question the desire of our FO to hire a coach who is content with just being a coordinator forever. Shows a lack of drive and no desire for growth.

Some interesting points, but I'm not sure what exactly you're saying in reference to my statement. Help me out.

Just an add-on in agreement, mostly.

A lot of people want us to keep the system and hire somebody who can run it. I disagree with that logic.

I don't care much for Vinny Cerrato but he made a good point...why isn't Del Rio clamoring for Gase in Oakland? Why not Fox in Chicago?

If the people you work with don't want you...?

Not to mention he was a HC candidate. What happened? Something is off.

I agree... its says something.

But... there probably isn't another candidate who you couldn't ask the same questions about...

I agree with most of what you said. Continuity is important as long as the scheme stays consistant. However just because a candidate is not in the 'vetted' coaching carosal doesn't mean they are sub-par and/or unable to be successful. They just haven't been found. Football's a simple game.

 

There have been very few innovators so why get caught-up and limit our thinking to only a re-cycled selective few, because they coached with 'this' guy, is so-and-so's son, they use to back-up that other dude and/or they're in the 'good ole boys club'.

 

Bold thinking gets bold results. I hope we find the perfect OC match, but continuity for Joe should take priority above so called 'top-notch'. Top-Notch in this league is sometimes just another word for 'hacks'.

The absolute worst case scenario that comes from this is that the Ravens become so committed to the Kubiak system that they hire a guy who they think can run that offense but can't, and we spend multiple years trying to realize this.

Just hire whoever you think the best OC would be... its that simple for me. I don't care about scheme or anything else... good coaches tend to not have problems making their scheme work or adapting their scheme to the personnel we have.

If we're spending our search chasing the next Kubiak, we are going to come up short every time...

Doesn't really matter. Seems like every coaches on ravens are being promoted to HC every year. He'll leave soon as he uses us just like every other coaches that comes here and bounces out soon as they get the chance.

I guess we should just hire or promote mediocre or bad coaches, so at least they won't leave.

We won't be very good on the football field, but hey, are coaches don't leave, so that's something.

Please explain how it would be a demotion to go to Baltimore to be the O.C., its a guarantee H.C. job within the next 2 yrs ( if he doesnt totally blow it)

You have a S.B. mvp QB in Baltimore. Same as it was in Denver.

Manning is done, he is over the hill. Injury or not.

The RAVENS have become a high powered offense.

Because Baltimore's offense hasn't been as good as Denver's.

He was supposedly already ready to be a guaranteed HC after being Peyton's OC for two seasons, and yet, he's not and isn't going to be this offseason either.

In short, you've got to be a "high powered offense" for more than just one season in order to be considered an actual great offense.

Well they did just get hired. Where is Del Rio a coach?

Del Rio is the new HC in Oakland...

And I have no doubt that anybody inquiring about Gase would be interested in those comments and recommendations also...

But there are some who are still confused why he hasn't been getting HC offers yet and why he is seemingly struggling to even find an OC gig...

Going from being the OC with Peyton in Denver to potentially being an OC in Jacksonville is essentially a demotion in most people's eyes, and you could argue it would be one going to Baltimore as well...

So, if anyone wants to hear a little something about Gase, look at the LFW article and see what Manning, Fox, and Elway had to say about Gase.

True, but did you really expect them to bash him or something?

Obviously wouldn't expect Peyton Manning to take 100% credit for the offense or something like that...

Another guy you can't trust.   He straight up turned his back on his entire team in a worse way than Kubiak.

You're going to have to explain this one to me, because I don't think anybody really thinks this way.

Had an opt-out clause in his contract (which ownership agreed to by the way) that allowed him to leave if ownership changed. He did that. It was also sort of expected...

That's a fair concern. That also worries me, but I do think this season showed what Gase can do. The Broncos made a distinctive shift to running the ball more halfway through the season. That's an adjustment made by Gase. 

 

My primary concern with Gase is that he would over-complicate the offense, just like Caldwell did. Flacco and others have said Caldwell's offense was way too complex. Hopefully not the same for Gase.

Yeah, for me, its actually quite simple...

There's nobody out there available that is going to come in and run the exact same offense. We aren't getting a Kubiak-style offense without Kubiak. Anybody we bring in is going to adapt, change, tweak, etc. anything that was previously here.

Having said that, I'm just hiring the best guy we think is available for us, regardless of scheme. If we think Gase is a future stud coordinator, we hire him. If he changes things, so be it. There's nothing about this team's personnel that is dependent on any particular scheme... we could have new RBs, new WRs in the near future, new TEs, etc., and we've got offensive line personnel that have played in multiple different "blocking" schemes and have looked pretty good in them.

If we are going to handicap ourselves to Kubiak's scheme only, we are likely to hire somebody who probably isn't nearly as good at it, the offense struggles because of it, and we start over against with another OC later.

I'd rather hire somebody that might leave than to hire somebody based on trying to keep a scheme that we likely can't duplicate anyway...

People think Gase is a bad candidate? Why? 

 

The Broncos were 4th in yards per game (402.9), 4th in yards per play (6.0), 2nd in points (30 a game), 4th in passing yards (4,661), 5th in yards per passing attempt (7.9), 15th in rushing (1,785), and 20th in YPC (4.0). Those are great numbers. The rushing numbers are a little low, but that's what happens when you have a bad run blocking line and a HOF quarterback. That offense was dynamite.

 

But going after Gase is scraping the bottom of the barrel, right?

I don't know if he will be good or bad.

He's the OC of a Peyton Manning led offense. There's always a question mark there, because Peyton makes so many adjustments at the line, its hard to tell who is actually in control.

Would anyone like Trent Richardson (likely cut) as depth/competition at RB? Perhaps he could turn things around in Baltimore. We seem to like giving chances to former 1st round pick FA's.

I don't see what skill sets he brings that basically anybody else we could get doesn't.

He hasn't fooled people once... he's fooled people twice.

No thanks.

They got bigger needs. He could slip away (praying he does).

Incredibly unlikely. Restricted FAs are cheap and they come with draft pick compensation, which makes stealing one incredibly difficult and rare.

Plus, Browns have plenty of cap space and not many holes to fill.

Add Tashaun Gipson to your list. He's exactly what we need at FS

Davis maybe be a good idea. He's up there, but still got some in the tank. He a great blocker as well. Had nearly 900 yds and 13tds last year

He's a restricted FA, and I doubt the Browns would have any problem signing him long-term anyway.

Last time we won a Super Bowl, we had a physical receiver who'd fight for the ball.  That's what Dez is when you come down to it.  We definitely don't have that right now, not even in the ever-tenacious Steve Smith.

Yes, except Dez has about double the talents that Boldin did, and costs about three times as much.

Time to trade him IMO. I don't want the coaches trying to get him some reps. Cut our losses.

Zero trade value.

You're not wrong.  But that's the skillset we need.

No, its the skill set we WANT, not NEED.

We don't need a Bryant type receiver in order to win a SB.

Might as well go ahead and move this entire thread to the Free Agent Targets thread.

Seriously people... at least look at the open threads before you create one. Its literally the exact same thing.

Out of our price range obviously...

Plus, I think GB resigns him anyway.

Hey, we can dream can't we?  He is absolutely ny favorite receiver and have hope him to be a Raven since college.  Alas, he will cost a fortune and him on roster roster would leave too many hole open.  On the other hand, whoever thought we'd ever have Suggs and a Dume on the same team?  Stranger things have happened.

No, stranger things haven't happened.

Minimum $10M a season, and that's probably not going to get it done.

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