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O you mean when RSR says that we offered Jeffery a $13M/year long term deal?

Yeah nice try.

T Jernigan and 2nd round pick
for R Sherman

Can't afford to take on an $11M/year corner.

Pipe dream.

  21 hours ago, verified said:

Our Defense can be as good as anybodies but we still face the same problem we always face, when the D gets the offense the ball back we dont have the playmakers to get the ball in the endzone. And its shaping up like we gonna spend all our picks on the oline, Still no solid young WR its pathetic they dont address this, and dont bring in some old WR to be here for 3 years than retire im sick of that. I want an odell type someone young

WHY? We couldn't afford them after 4 years.

Yes we could. Plenty of evidence to suggest we will and can.

In particular first rounders. If you're a good player for us, and you're a first round pick, you'll get a second contract from us. Its pretty much a foregone conclusion.

7 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Not a fan of the Carr signing at all. He is an average player entering season 10. Ravens should of signed Claiborne. But have to take the chance on greatness and a true cornerstone player. Have to!!! With Jefferson and Weddle at safety Claiborne has skills to be a top3 cornerback. And give us a real cornerstone player on defense. I know he has quite the injury history but he has hit his stride and his latest injury was kinda flukish. If he plays most of th games and playoffs the ravens easily have the best secondary in the league.

im on board with the Jefferson signing. He is a a stud that is getting better by the game. I initially hated the signing because of ignoring the promised dominant offensive line. And his 4.75 40 and box playing style in a throw the ball league. However he clearly has the speed athleticism and instincts to play deep safety. By far he can. He can close as fast a earl thomas. If ravens play him at free safety he could be as good as earl Thomas and have 5 ints if offenses  feel like testing him.

I don't talk myself into liking signings or picks that I initially dislike only cuz he is a raven. But Jefferson is a phenom! He could be the best free safety in football if that is what ravens do with him. He closes like lightning and strikes like a cobra with top shelf football i.q. and instincts.

But I do not like signing Carr over Claiborne. Carr represents a hopefully solid signing to hopefully make secondary stout enough to do its part to make playoffs. Claiborne if healthy would make our secondary a no fly zone that puts the squeeze on offenses air attacks. And give the defense an identity until we find a dominant edge rusher. Carr is an upgrade but Jefferson could be the best safety 

anybody have any tips for navigating all 22?

And what happens if Claiborne doesn't put it together? Would be interested for somebody came up with a list of the types of players who were average to below average players (which Claiborne has been) for the first 4-5 years of their career and then all of the sudden "put it together"? I don't think that list is going to be very long.

I would argue that durability at Corner is actually more important to this team at the moment than actual quality of play. You can take risks on young corners who can "put it together" in the draft... especially in the middle rounds. Paying a guy $4-5M a year or more in FA isn't exactly the time when you start throwing darts at players hoping they pay off.

Carr isn't a great corner. But he's a durable one who you can typically count on to be out there. I'd rather have the average to above average corner at 16 games a year than the great corner at 8-10 games a year. The former is going to return move value every single time.

11 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I doubt any team is going to be willing to give up  a 2nd for him so a third or fourth is only as much I can see  The Ravens getting. A third would be good for The Ravens but a  high fourth round wouldn't be bad either.  I can't pretend like The Ravens haven't had any success with lower round picks from Jarret Johnson,Dennis Pitta,Jason Brown,Leron McClain,Ovie Mughelli,Ed Hartwell, ,Edwin Mulatio, and Kyle Hugecheck (lol)  whom all have been fourth round picks.  Even right now The Ravens have fourth rounders such  as  Tavon Young , Alex Lewis, Chris Moore, Matt Judon, Kenneth Dixon. Brent Urban, Lorenzo Taliferro ,Zadarius Smith,  and Buck Allen who we all saw become  solid contributors for the team last year or are expected to be contributors for the team at some capacity.

 

If Timmy Jernigan was traded today for a high fourth round pick then I can't say it doesn't benefit The Ravens given their success with finding starters that were fourth round picks in past. Who to say they won't be able to find a starting right tackle or guard with the  fourth pick they  get from trading Jernigan or maybe even defensive tackle/end.

Not the point though.

From where I'm sitting, you're likely to get at least a 4th round comp pick for Jernigan, and possibly a 3rd if he fetches a big enough contract, which he likely will.

Knowing that, I'm not trading him for a pick that's in the same round of the comp pick I'm getting back. If we think we can get a 3rd from him in two years, I'm not trading him for a 3rd today. While the comp pick will be later in the round, I'm not cutting Jernigan's tenure a year short just to move up a few picks in the 3rd round. If it were the 1st round or maybe the 2nd, I'd certainly consider it. But there's not a whole lot of difference in the available talent pool between a guy picked in the 70s-80s of the draft and a guy picked in the 90s.

That's my point. I'm not trading the guy for a pick in a round that is lower than the comp pick I would expect to get. 

Ultimately I think all of this discussion is moot. I think a lot of this is floated by the media who just speculate. They speculate that we won't be resigning him after his deal is done (which we likely won't), and that means that we should or would consider trading him prior to that. Those kinds of deals don't happen very frequently in the NFL. The Patriots are basically the only team that does this with any sort of frequency, and they don't even do it as often as people think.

33 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

We aren't meeting with him for no reason lol I just compiled the list based on who I think we like and who is likeliest to be available. I'm thinking it's one of the Bama boys or Ross, especially since we need a returner and a slot receiver which he could fill both roles. But if Bisciotti gets his way I definitely think we will take Tim or Charlton. 

Could be meeting with him in case he is available on day 2.

Returners obviously aren't really that important in an era would kickoffs start at the 25, and he'd be just another speed receiver to add to a list of receivers that we already have.

We're looking for a complementary receiver who can move the chains on 3rd down. I don't see anything from Ross to indicate he's that guy.

Doesn't fit the mold of the type of receiver we already said we are looking for. 

The top 10 likliest players we take: 

1. John Ross 

2. Tim Williams

3. Marlon Humphrey

4. Corey Davis 

5.  Taco Charlton 

6. Cam Robinson

7.  Charles Harris 

8. Mike Williams 

9. Derek Barnett 

10. Reuben Foster

I would be surprised very much if we are even considering using a 1st round pick on Ross.

They keep talking about surrounding Flacco with the talent he needs, but where are they? At the moment, we have no O-line and a shortage of receivers. We had better have one heckuva good draft!

Well, we have a shortage of "established" receivers, meaning receivers that we know for certain are good.

We know we've got a bunch of young guys that need to develop at both WR and TE, and I suspect that will continue. Adding another draft pick or two will only amplify this, not fix it.

21 minutes ago, Edgar said:

He's actually pretty clever. If you won't give him that, you will at least acknowledge his uniqueness.....

I think it takes a lot of work and effort to intentionally make yourself look like you're an idiot just for the joy of thinking you're actually fooling anybody.

Six months ago he was forming coherent thoughts in actually readable sentences or phrases. 

Its trolling 101. 

No more jokes please. Can't even make the playoffs with average Joe and we're talking of multiple SBs. Bad teams always yap the most in the off-season, but when the season starts and the losing inevitably starts, they go silent. I see the pattern; after every unsuccessful season, you pacify me by making baseless predictions of how we're going 'all the way' the next season. How do you know this? Where are the drastic changes that'll guarantee this turnaround? You're just gonna set me up for more disappointment with all this talk of greatness with a below average team, huh? Ok.

1. Nothing is guaranteed.
2. You don't need drastic changes to see a radical difference in production and output.

Where were the radical changes the Falcons made between 2015 and 2016? Or the Patriots, who rarely make radical changes year over year?

Joe played exceptionally well during his rookie contract... after that, not so much.

Well and 2014, by far the best year of his career.

Not going to happen. Ravens can't afford great players anymore. Bad drafts, bad contracts, and bad coaches. It took John 5 years with Ray to make the SB and it will take 5 years without Ray to get fired.

We don't really have any bad contracts anymore. That's a very 2014-2015 type thinking.

First he needs to reduce his absolutely absurd $25m cap number. He's not worth a nickel over $18m (about what E Manning's number is). His production does not warrant anything more, I don't care what his postseason numbers say, he's not going to get there.

Cool, because his salary is $6M this year, so he's well below that.

Now all we have to work on is getting fans to actually understand what they're talking about in terms of the salary cap, and everything will be fine. There's a large learning curve that needs to happen there, and it needs to happen fast.

And FYI, Eli's cap hit is $19.7M for 2017, and was $24.2M last season.

Eli actually made $18M last season, but that's certainly not what his cap number is, because they're not the same. I guess you missed the part where he made $37M the year before.

40 minutes ago, RobertLRenfroJR@Gmail.com said:

If they wanted to shorten the games, they could always cut commercials.   I wonder if this applies to using timeouts or running down the play clock?  Without further explanation this rule seems geared more towards shortening games in a pass happy league to keep games on their TV schedules from running over.   It just sounds like they are making new Coke out of football.  If you aren't old enough to remember that disaster, consider yourself lucky.

 

 

Actually, Goodell already told us that they are looking into and almost certainly will be "cutting commercials"... in a sense.

Most likely you'll see less commercials, but just longer one's of the one's you do see.

Obviously doesn't make sense for the NFL to cut commercials entirely or reduce the amount of them without some sort of benefit on the other end. Commercials are how the NFL makes the majority of their money.

1 hour ago, 20306cab said:

THAT ain't gonna happen. We're ALL payin' for Pathetic Joe.

Joe's contract has more to do with you sitting at home watching games on TV in your Ravens jersey eating bons bons than it does about ticket pricing or in-stadium beverage sales.

Them cutting the price of beer or even tickets with only lead to Joe and every other QBs contract size to grow, not shrink.

Do you guys still not understand how the NFL makes money?

14 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Harbaugh literally said yesterday that although the team PREFERS Lewis at LG he's also and option  at RT and C(this I would hate). I'm concerned because he didn't show promise last season at LG, which is why we might look at him for RT, which honestly I think he's better suited for. 

 

As for Warford he'd be an upgrade on the oline and would solidify the left side. We've already got ourselves an elite guard in Yanda, and since Lewis is a candidate for RT that would potentially give us 4 starters. 

 

Futhermore this is a horrible oline class that's very top heavy. I would have preferred getting a young, but proven guard than trying Lewis out at a position he didn't really perform well at last season. 

 

Im not worried at all about the team addressing pass rusher. It's a good edge rushing class, we might draft 2. Same with corner, but it concerns me that we didn't even try for a stop gap on the line. 

1. You're pretty much the only person I know who thinks Lewis didn't show promise at LG. Frankly, when he played and actually played LG, I thought he was easily one of the better lineman on the field. He got moved around a decent amount and got injured, but was pretty clear to me that he did a better job at LG than LT. Obviously LT is a harder position to play, but I didn't like his athleticism at T at all, and I think he sticks at LG.

2. We know nothing about the draft class and how good any group of positions are in it. All this talk about strong positions and weak positions is purely based on what some mock draft analyst says... of which they whiff a TON on perceptions vs realities. There's entire websites devoted to showing how awful some of these NFL teams would be if they drafted the players that some of your more popular "analysts" thought they should have drafted.

On an annual basis, there's a position or even group of positions that's perceived as "weak", and yet, that group or position churns out several high quality NFL players.

In particular, when it comes to discussing drafting an interior lineman or even a RT, we're probably not discussing that in the first round anyway, and there isn't a person I know who's done enough research on mid-round prospects to have any vague clue as to whether they will be good players or not. 

I'm far more worried about finding a Center then I am about finding a RT. You can have a below average RT and still have a very good offensive line, because the line is five players working together, not a bunch of good individual players. Most of the good offensive lines throughout the league, save for maybe the Cowboys or Raiders, have one or two very good lineman and the rest are average to slightly above average at best.

1 hour ago, RayRayRaven said:

not sur why we stil are in disbeleive. lissen close becuz this is the truth. decosta picd joe for the 2008 draff n ot all in for him cuz he was gonna trade back but joe is decostas golden egg goose. when joe played real well for the championship he was money for 4 games and credable in the yrs leadin up with a heckuva team. joe got paid but not for his body of play he got paid for them four games. he nevah playad a four game strech like that befor an he nevah playad a four game strech like that afta. but what they see at all times is that four game strech and thare golden egg goose. if you take that golden egg goose away afta all these yrs what have they got? not very much. in the game of pokar they pushd all their chips into the center and said all in on joe. they cant see his weakness and they cant see his need and they cant see thar mistak

when we think about misguides this is a good letter to print and pin up on the good oz bad oz tack board.  oz is not a offens draffer. he best with d  decosta but for one yr has not been much of an offense draffer. the comprehesuv plan cannot work wiff getting all them pics and havin the same draff pickers.

I apologize on behalf of my tax dollars that helped to fund the public education system.

1 hour ago, ravefan52 said:

I agree there's no clear direction. Every position the FO talked about needing major upgrades hasn't received much at all, even after handing out $63mil gaurenteed! The fact that we've had the same main needs for the past 3+ years is quite concerning.

All this talk about surrounding Joe with an elite OL and great talent around him but they're doing the opposite. The offense sucked last year and has lost a lot of talent this off season. Now they have to turn to a crappy OL class, where guys are going to get overdrafted because of the league wide need for them. And I bet that yet again they're going to rely way too heavily on their own WR's developing. C, RT and WR are huge needs, but no lets spend $ on another RB even though that's the smallest need and has a stacked draft class.

Of all the franchise QB's, Flacco gets by far the least help year in and year out imo. He's only had one good, or even stable OC and he's never had a great WR corps. A shame he's going to retire without the Ravens ever even seeing his full potential.

I think there is where your perception of what our needs were was misguided. 

One key thing I'm seeing on this board that has recently become popular... fans aren't listening to what the FO tells them. Too many fans think the FO is being deceptive or lying to everybody. They're not.

The FO told you that they wanted to add multiple corners. They added Carr, and are fully expected to add one in the draft. They told you they wanted to get younger at Safety. Hello Tony Jefferson, goodbye Webb.

Other things they said... beef up the Offensive line. We kind of knew this wasn't something that was likely to happen in FA, because we knew we needed a Center and a RT. Neither position yielded much in FA whatsoever, and we knew that going in. Again, seems like a very strong sense of addressing this in the draft or with players already on the roster.

The only position I've seen so far where I expected the FO to address in FA and didn't was WR, and that was likely due to some of the outrageous prices of possession WRs in this class.

In terms of pass rushers, again, the FO already gave us a clue as to their stance... its not as important to them as it is to fans. They like some of the guys we have already, and they don't feel that its a drastic need. Will we still add one? Of course, because we do just about every year.

I think its key that fans invest more time in LISTENING. These issues have been addressed publicly already, and if people listened to what they told us, a lot of their priorities have been addressed or covered already, and some of them aren't in sync with what fans think the priorities are or should be.

10 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

 

To be honest. I'm pissed with how the offseason has gone so far. I'm tired of Ozzie and company neglecting the offensive side of the ball. I love the Jefferson move, but as said previously, there was nothing wrong with Webb. I love the Carr move. It's an easy contract to get out of and he no longer will have to go against #1 WRs. Likewise I think Pierce, Kaufausi, and Henry will get involved more and that makes the defense better as well.

 

but the Williams contract was freaking stupid. He's a very good player. But for that much, and we had a replacement in the wings? Go get Larry Warford for that much money and solidify the damn offensive line. 

 

I have 0 doubts in my mind that we are targeting a pass rusher, CB, and WR in this draft. But the oline concerns me. I think Lewis at RT makes a ton of sense. We want to get bigger and stronger across the line, that does it. It works. It's good to hear we are considering it. But then this leaves holes at LG and C, which is the most important position on the line.

Now I wouldn't object to drafting forrest lamp in the first round, he's a potential all pro at guard with a high floor. He's worth the pick. But that still leaves a hole at center.

 

Honestly, for as good as Ozzie has been for us, my patience has worn thin. If he's fired at the end of the year I wouldn't be surprised 

How exactly does adding Warford solidify an Oline that needs probably 2 new starters?

I would also point out that it seems that the people driving the "Lewis at RT" bus is exclusively limited to just fans. Pretty obvious from everything I've heard from the FO at this point that they fully view Lewis as the starter at LG. I'm not even sure they're going to try him at RT until they decide nobody else in camp can play the position.

Trade T Jernigan to Dolphins for Devante Parker need solved...

Well, except that doesn't benefit the Dolphins very much...

16 hours ago, January J said:

I think peanut is going to be the next udfa to step up and  ball out at the ILB position this season.

Rumors heating up about potential Boldin reunion.

 

Are the rumors really heating up? Or is this just because John said he wouldn't mind having him back?

I'm not wasting my time talking about Boldin. It'll be another 2-3 months before he even thinks about signing with ANY team.

2nd round or pick or better. Otherwise the trade doesn't really benefit us that much.

The best way to finish the game is to Run the ball which they gave up on. It tires the other defense and keeps ours fresh.

Pros and cons on both sides of this.

If you're running the ball a lot and aren't effective at it, you're just wasting time and not accomplishing anything.

Ravens weren't very effective at running the ball last year when they did it, so entirely possible that our defense would have been even more tired if we used this methodology.

There were instances where we abandoned the run for no reason, and there were instances we abandoned the run for plenty of good reasons (lack of effectiveness, game flow and score, etc.).

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  15 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

If any team offers a 3rd rounder for Jernigan, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He is widely inconsistent although talented. The Ravens would not resign him next year anyway. The positive is that if they keep him this year he'd play lights out in a contract year. So having him alongside a pumped William, and Pierce next year would produce a dominant defensive front for sure - however short lived.

If he plays lights out, you'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him when he walks next year anyway.

I'm not interested in trading him a year early just to move up higher in the same round, especially when there's not really a talent dropoff between like early-mid 3rd round and late 3rd round.

What do you mean by moving up in the same round? Wouldn't we obtain an extra pick in the round and keep our original 3rd round pick? im confused.

We have our normal 3rd round pick currently. If he walks in FA, we could get a 3rd round comp pick, which would be late in the round.

If we instead trade him, we would pick up another 3rd, but we would lose the ability to get that comp pick. So all we did was move up some spots.

If we did the deal with somebody who ends up picking in the back half or end of the 3rd round (a contending team), then we would be trading Jernigan one year early and basically just getting a draft pick that's maybe like 5-10 spots better in the 3rd round.

If it were in the first round, I'd see the value. In the 3rd, I don't.

If any team offers a 3rd rounder for Jernigan, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He is widely inconsistent although talented. The Ravens would not resign him next year anyway. The positive is that if they keep him this year he'd play lights out in a contract year. So having him alongside a pumped William, and Pierce next year would produce a dominant defensive front for sure - however short lived.

If he plays lights out, you'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him when he walks next year anyway.

I'm not interested in trading him a year early just to move up higher in the same round, especially when there's not really a talent dropoff between like early-mid 3rd round and late 3rd round.