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Steelers need a massive influx in defensive talent, especially in the secondary, if they want a prayer of competing with NE. Really doesn't matter how high powered their offense is at this point.

you should ask the OC Who doesn't have much to do with it, since its pretty clear on film that the 1st and most of the time the 2nd reads on the route tree's they are running are a lot further down field than just 2 yards. If you REALLY wanted an answer, you'd likely have to ask the offensive line and the QB. They're the two biggest reasons why we ran that style of offense.

Well 50% of the coordinators who have left did so to get PROMOTIONS. Obviously that's a reflection of the QB as well...

Problem is I haven't seen either of those guys really use their size to their advantage. I've seen Steve Smith play bigger and taller than Waller. I think we as fans get caught up in size too much and think that everybody who is big knows how to use that attribute.

Would have to find a way to come up with nearly $10M in cap space to pay him. Only way he becomes a Raven is if he is cut and signs a contract at half price or less of that. Also ignores the fact that I seriously doubt the Chiefs are interested in trading him this year. Don't have many viable options on offense to replace him.

Seriously doubt we do both. Fully expect us to address WR in the draft in the first three rounds. Bringing in another veteran would likely only stunt the playing time of that player and/or Perriman, which achieves the opposite effect of what we are looking to do on offense. Like it or not, the Ravens are highly invested in Perriman, and he's going to be given every opportunity to play a lot and play well. We're obviously not going to draft or sign another deep threat either, because most of our WRs on the roster already are deep threats... and that's the problem. We lack a chain mover. Plus lets be honest... there's really no such thing as a "legitimate veteran deep threat" available in FA, and I don't see a player who's likely to get cut that would fit that mold either.

Depends on how the calendar falls. Obviously wouldn't be playing them if Christmas is on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday. Christmas Eve is a Sunday and Christmas is a Monday this year, so possible for this year.

2015 he came to minicamp overweight. He was pretty much in game condition by training camp. As long as they're in shape by training camp, nobody should really be that concerned.

You're mad at the female analysts, not because they have arguably less credibility since they didn't play football in their lives, or any other argument that could be deemed reasonable, but because you don't like their accent? Anyone who doesn't speak like you sounds like a 5 year old, eh? You have the one and true voice, all hail. Also ignores the fact that at least 90% of people on this planet pronounce it Peyt-in Manning. I could count on one hand the number of people who have actually said PEY-TON Manning. Slow news day, obviously.

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year. Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years. Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

1. Which allowed us to sign other key players, like Elvis Dumervil. 2. Was basically something he did for only one season. Go back to the stats. Torrey was not a PI machine for the overwhelming majority of his team here, and hasn't been since. Very, very lazy analysis by the fanbase on that one. 3. Of course they stopped and waited... you're talking 50+ yard throws in the air. There's only a handful of QBs in the league that can even throw it that far. The SB throw he basically throws it off one leg. This ain't Madden folks. Its real life.

If we get back KO and Wagner, we're still missing a Guard and a Center (because KO wouldn't be playing Guard if he were here, and Stanley wouldn't be on this team). Pretty much the same spot we are in now, if you think Lewis can be a decent RT. I would also ask people to reference the 2014 season (and postseason most importantly), when Joe played quite well. In that postseason, we averaged 30 points a game on the road, in which our offensive line featured Hurst at LT, Yanda at RT, and Urschel at Guard. In fact, according to Pro Football Reference (and I don't remember if this is true or not), Urschel started at LEFT TACKLE against the Patriots, Hurst at RT, and Yanda moved back inside to Guard. Stop and think about that for a minute. Our starting tackles in Foxboro in the playoffs were Urschel and Hurst. And we still scored 30. The overall premise is accurate... Joe needs a good OLine. He does NOT, however, need a great OLine. For the most part, he's never had one.

If we traded Joe now, his cap hit would almost double the moment we traded him. So not only wouldn't we be able to sign a veteran QB, we'd have to cut quite a few more quality players just to get under the salary cap. In fact, in looking at the cap of impact of our roster currently, its actually impossible based on what I see. We'd need to create somewhere between $15-20M in cap space after trading him just to be under the salary cap limit. I'm not even sure we could create that kind of space given the current contracts.

I'm not responsible for you using bad examples that don't relate in any way to the Ravens or Joe's situation. In my world (and frankly the real world), Joe needs to be 35-36, on the back end of a large contract, and showing obvious signs of decline (reduced arm strength, weaker decision making, less mobility than he already has). That's when you start looking at QBs, and you probably go ahead and do it in the 1st round. But stop with all this BS. No reasonable person thinks that drafting a 3rd or 4th round QB this year gives us any sort of leverage. If you actually do think that, you need to get acclimated with what the word "leverage" actually means, and do so quickly, because you don't get it right now. And even worse... stop beating around the bush. Just come out and say it. Just say that you don't think Joe should be our QB much longer, and you want us to draft somebody to take his place now. None of this "well lets just draft somebody in the middle rounds and MAYBE he will pan out and MAYBE he will give us leverage and MAYBE he will be as good as Brady". Just own it. Its been a long, long time since a team used a very high draft pick on a player they had no intention of playing for several years, regardless of position. That includes QB. Rodgers is the last successful case of that. When teams start thinking of life after their current franchise QB, they target somebody early, and they move on within a year or two. Or they wait until they retire and use a first rounder then. That's what teams do. Its not rocket science. You'll see the Giants do it soon. You'll see the Steelers do it soon. You'll see the Chargers do it soon.

No, those reasons don't apply. He would need to play as badly as Brees did (which he hasn't), have a broken neck threaten his career like Manning did (which he hasn't), be as brittle as Romo (which he isn't). Or, if you pulled a Packers or Patriots and draft somebody thinking your guy is nearly done, you wait until they are at least 34-35, which was the case with those two guys. At 32, Joe isn't there yet. It means its a valid discussion to have when we get to 2019-2020, which is what we've all said all along. Using a first round pick early on a QB gives you leverage in a contract negotiation of his size. Using a 3rd or 4th rounder just makes his agent chuckle and still get his way. Leverage only works when its actually serious, not perceived.

Most of the guys you listed will sign contracts with their EXISTING teams, thus not counting against the comp pick formula.

So if we REALLY look at this, here's what REALLY happened: 1. The Chargers got Rivers because, at the time, Brees was terrible. Go look at his 02-03 numbers in SD and tell me what was impressive about them? Note also that this example is basically 13 years old. 2. Same application for Rodgers. Pretty much the last successful first round draft pick used on a QB that paid off when the incumbent was still good. We're talking about 15 years ago at this point. 3. Garoppolo is a 2nd round pick who has barely played and will leave NE next year. What about that has been a good pick for the Patriots? A 2nd round pick playing like 3 games TOTAL and fetching a comp pick 6 years later that is less than the value he was drafted at is considered a successful pick for that franchise? Really? See Ryan Mallett. 4. Osweiler was a 2nd rounder in a year where the Broncos traded for a guy who basically had a broken neck. Do I need to further explain why they needed to do that? I think its safe to say they'd like to have that pick back, also. 5. Prescott is a day 3 pick. 6. Cousins was a 4th rounder, so another day 3 pick. Given that he was taken the year that they traded the farm for a 1st rounder, I think its safe to say they never planned on him being a starter (they still don't even like him now). So we've got some examples of day 3 picks who became starters (Prescott, Cousins), a couple 2nd rounders who didn't really do much for their teams (Osweiler and Garoppolo), and some first rounders from about 10-15 years ago in a completely different era in the league. In short, no, its not a good enough list. If I were putting together a list, I'd list ALL of the QBs taken in the 3-7th rounds, and show you how many of them you've never heard of, are out of the league, or never reached more than backup status.

Actually that's not true at all. The biggest knock on our WR core for years has been that we have depth... we just don't have anybody who separates themselves from the pack in terms of quality talent. If all of your receivers on your roster are near the same caliber of talent, then by definition, you have depth, because it means that if one of your "starters" goes down, the replacement level player is nearly as productive. The REAL issue with our WR core is exactly what the FO has told us it is... we have no possession receiver who can work the middle of the field and be effective on third downs or in the red zone. That's the type of receiver we need. The reason why a Wallace/Perriman combo isn't exactly thrilling is because they both run similar route trees and have similar skill sets, and neither is a guy you trust to go over the middle and make a tough, contested catch in a critical spot in the game. That's the type of guy we're going to look to add. If its a first rounder, great. If its a veteran, cool (I wouldn't prefer this). If its a mid-rounder, good. Your third WR is typically going to play somewhere around 50-60% of the snaps. Aiken played 52% last year, Perriman 43%. Even Steve Smith only played around 64%, so the drop from him to Aiken wasn't nearly as big as people think. If we're in that position, that's what I'd expect to happen. Wallace will lead the receivers in targets and playing time, and Perriman and a third receiver (not yet on the roster most likely) will be playing about 2/3 or so, split among them. I don't see anything we do, including a first round WR, changing that. I don't think you're going to see Wallace and another player both playing like 90% of snaps. Think you'll see a steady rotation of guys.

Well, actually, he is saying that, because, well, he actually said that... "What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?" My comprehension isn't the problem. The problem is that the OP THINKS he's talking about adding depth, and he's not. He's talking about adding a starting-caliber player. Those are not the same thing.

He's a Dlineman in a base 3-4. He's going to get rotated in and out frequently. I can guarantee if you he was playing 80-90% of snaps, he wouldn't be generating any pressure in the 4th quarter. The reason half our Dline was so effective is because of how we rotate them. He will probably be in the 60-70% snap count range in Philly.

This post has nothing to do with WR depth. It has to do with you thinking the WR core isn't very good. If we need actual DEPTH at WR, that means that you're looking to add a role player or a bench player to your roster. That's what depth is. So if you think that depth is actually the issue, then no, it makes no sense to use a first round pick on a player who is depth. You use a first round pick on a player to play a lot, probably start, and be a contributor. So make up your mind. Do we need depth, or do we need another starting-caliber player?

None of which is guaranteed, of course. That comp pick is a full two years away, and there's no guarantee we would even get one or a high one. That's pending what types of FAs we sign. If we signed nobody of significant price value, then yes, we would get that. If we go out and sign a Tony Jefferson type contract, then the risk of not getting a comp pick that high increases.

Time is a factor though. As most people realize... those trade offers only get worse after the draft, not get better, because several of the teams looking to add such a player may have drafted one instead. Simple risk/reward analysis. Do you hold out for a couple more weeks in the hopes of getting a better offer (like you said... maybe a 5th or 6th rounder in addition) and risk not getting a better offer and having that team pull the deal?

Well, if you want Mahomes, you'll have to use a day 1 or day 2 pick to get him. Most importantly, you're only going to be able to roster two QBs in a season, because you only get 53 roster spots and they are precious. So unless you want your rookie QB out there playing ST and trying to run down opponents, we're only carrying two. We don't draft a QB to compete with Flacco for the same reasons that every other team in the league who has a franchise QB doesn't draft a QB to compete. They use a day 3 pick on a guy they hope can become a decent backup.

Can easily keep him around through the offseason program or training camp and have him compete with the other TEs for roster spots. Also possible that he may not be healthy enough yet to pass a physical, and thus we'd have to give him an injury settlement (same concept as why Kyle Arrington is still on the roster). Basically about 7-8 months removed from achilles tear. Possible he can't pass a physical.