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Why do they deserve that though? WR coach is Bobby Engram, he's been with the Ravens for one season, and only has two years coaching experience in the NFL. Thomas Hammock is the RBs coach, and I believe this season was his first season as a coach in the NFL. I mean in the end, for a coordinator job, you've usually got to have at least some sort of resume. I wouldn't say play-calling experience is a requirement, but at least some significant experience/tenure in the NFL or at least as an OC in college would likely be a requirement. Frankly, of any of the internal OC candidates, Castillo and Ver Steeg are the only two with the "credentials" of sort ot even be considered, and it doesn't appear that they are being considered.

Yes, he could very likely be one and done. But as I've said before, if we are exclusively in the business of only hiring coaches that we think will stay for a long time, we very likely aren't hiring the best coach we can get, and our offense will likely suffer from it. My general rule of thumb is... the coaches that stay with teams for a long time are often the coaches that you DON'T want to stay here for a long time, or your team simply isn't doing very well.

They're interviewing him tonight I believe...

Yeah I agree. I have no problem with hiring hiim. But there are plenty of viable questions, such as why the likes of Fox or Del Rio didn't take him with them to their new places. A lot of possible reasons for that, but its still worth pondering as part of the interview process. Ultimately, gut feeling says we probably hire him in the next day or so.

Every coach that I can think of has the goal of becoming a HC. They have an incentive to be great coordinators/coaches for whatever team they work for so that people will desire them as a HC. Frankly, I'd question the desire of our FO to hire a coach who is content with just being a coordinator forever. Shows a lack of drive and no desire for growth.

Just an add-on in agreement, mostly. A lot of people want us to keep the system and hire somebody who can run it. I disagree with that logic.

I agree... its says something. But... there probably isn't another candidate who you couldn't ask the same questions about...

The absolute worst case scenario that comes from this is that the Ravens become so committed to the Kubiak system that they hire a guy who they think can run that offense but can't, and we spend multiple years trying to realize this. Just hire whoever you think the best OC would be... its that simple for me. I don't care about scheme or anything else... good coaches tend to not have problems making their scheme work or adapting their scheme to the personnel we have. If we're spending our search chasing the next Kubiak, we are going to come up short every time...

I guess we should just hire or promote mediocre or bad coaches, so at least they won't leave. We won't be very good on the football field, but hey, are coaches don't leave, so that's something.

Because Baltimore's offense hasn't been as good as Denver's. He was supposedly already ready to be a guaranteed HC after being Peyton's OC for two seasons, and yet, he's not and isn't going to be this offseason either. In short, you've got to be a "high powered offense" for more than just one season in order to be considered an actual great offense.

Del Rio is the new HC in Oakland... And I have no doubt that anybody inquiring about Gase would be interested in those comments and recommendations also... But there are some who are still confused why he hasn't been getting HC offers yet and why he is seemingly struggling to even find an OC gig... Going from being the OC with Peyton in Denver to potentially being an OC in Jacksonville is essentially a demotion in most people's eyes, and you could argue it would be one going to Baltimore as well...

True, but did you really expect them to bash him or something? Obviously wouldn't expect Peyton Manning to take 100% credit for the offense or something like that...

You're going to have to explain this one to me, because I don't think anybody really thinks this way. Had an opt-out clause in his contract (which ownership agreed to by the way) that allowed him to leave if ownership changed. He did that. It was also sort of expected...

Yeah, for me, its actually quite simple... There's nobody out there available that is going to come in and run the exact same offense. We aren't getting a Kubiak-style offense without Kubiak. Anybody we bring in is going to adapt, change, tweak, etc. anything that was previously here. Having said that, I'm just hiring the best guy we think is available for us, regardless of scheme. If we think Gase is a future stud coordinator, we hire him. If he changes things, so be it. There's nothing about this team's personnel that is dependent on any particular scheme... we could have new RBs, new WRs in the near future, new TEs, etc., and we've got offensive line personnel that have played in multiple different "blocking" schemes and have looked pretty good in them. If we are going to handicap ourselves to Kubiak's scheme only, we are likely to hire somebody who probably isn't nearly as good at it, the offense struggles because of it, and we start over against with another OC later. I'd rather hire somebody that might leave than to hire somebody based on trying to keep a scheme that we likely can't duplicate anyway...

I don't know if he will be good or bad. He's the OC of a Peyton Manning led offense. There's always a question mark there, because Peyton makes so many adjustments at the line, its hard to tell who is actually in control.

I don't see what skill sets he brings that basically anybody else we could get doesn't. He hasn't fooled people once... he's fooled people twice. No thanks.

Incredibly unlikely. Restricted FAs are cheap and they come with draft pick compensation, which makes stealing one incredibly difficult and rare. Plus, Browns have plenty of cap space and not many holes to fill.

He's a restricted FA, and I doubt the Browns would have any problem signing him long-term anyway.

Yes, except Dez has about double the talents that Boldin did, and costs about three times as much.

Zero trade value.

No, its the skill set we WANT, not NEED. We don't need a Bryant type receiver in order to win a SB.

Might as well go ahead and move this entire thread to the Free Agent Targets thread. Seriously people... at least look at the open threads before you create one. Its literally the exact same thing.

Out of our price range obviously... Plus, I think GB resigns him anyway.

No, stranger things haven't happened.

Minimum $10M a season, and that's probably not going to get it done.