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No, I don't think upset over Receivers, the top 3 were gone by the time the Ravens picked. Also, 3 Quarterbacks were taken and OJ Howard fell to us. A great TE (Sharpe, Heap) and Running Game is also what the Ravens were known for besides a Great Defense. I mean that's great, but you also have a bunch of young TEs on the roster already, so do we just throw them away? There's what we WERE known for, and there's what we are NOW known for. They don't have to be the same thing. We didn't used to be a team that invested heavily in the QB position. Now we are, and so are all the consistent good teams in this league. Times change. Teams change. We have a bunch of Tight Ends that were on Injured Reserve last year, Ben Watson 37 in December, Williams and Gilmore. One who is more of a blocking tight end who has been suspended 2 times and one more will be out of the league. Pitta who is one of my favorites but he gets no YAC. Tight End is still very important in the NFL and its not one of the Ravens Strengths as so many people beleive. If Pitta stays healthy, he is good. He might not get the YAC but he makes contested catches and moves the chains. I like Boyle, he has a chance to be great if he stays out of trouble. I think Williams will end up being a bust and Watson is definitely questionable after an achillies injury, but we shall see. But the one nobody is talking about is Darren Waller. Im pretty high on him. Hes big, hes got decent speed and he can catch. Also if Gillmore stays healthy, he is good too. I think a combination of Pitta, Gillmore, Waller and Boyle is a good group. Pitta and Waller will be consistent. Gillmore may get hurt and if that trend continues, we may have to cut ties. But I don't see a problem with Pitta, Waller and Boyle (proided he doesn't get suspended) I will caution you... last year Pitta wasn't moving the chains at all. Not only was he not getting YAC, he also wasn't moving the chains. He had one of the lower percentages of receptions for first downs among the primary pass catchers last season.

No, I don't think upset over Receivers, the top 3 were gone by the time the Ravens picked. Also, 3 Quarterbacks were taken and OJ Howard fell to us. A great TE (Sharpe, Heap) and Running Game is also what the Ravens were known for besides a Great Defense. I mean that's great, but you also have a bunch of young TEs on the roster already, so do we just throw them away? There's what we WERE known for, and there's what we are NOW known for. They don't have to be the same thing. We didn't used to be a team that invested heavily in the QB position. Now we are, and so are all the consistent good teams in this league. Times change. Teams change. We have a bunch of Tight Ends that were on Injured Reserve last year, Ben Watson 37 in December, Williams and Gilmore. One who is more of a blocking tight end who has been suspended 2 times and one more will be out of the league. Pitta who is one of my favorites but he gets no YAC. Tight End is still very important in the NFL and its not one of the Ravens Strengths as so many people beleive. Right, but you can't bank on injured players staying injured forever. We still have young guys like Maxx, Gillmore, Boyle and Waller, in addition to a guy like Pitta. I didn't see the position was a strength of ours, but adding one rookie TE to the mix wouldn't make it a strength either.

No, I don't think upset over Receivers, the top 3 were gone by the time the Ravens picked. Also, 3 Quarterbacks were taken and OJ Howard fell to us. A great TE (Sharpe, Heap) and Running Game is also what the Ravens were known for besides a Great Defense. I mean that's great, but you also have a bunch of young TEs on the roster already, so do we just throw them away? There's what we WERE known for, and there's what we are NOW known for. They don't have to be the same thing. We didn't used to be a team that invested heavily in the QB position. Now we are, and so are all the consistent good teams in this league. Times change. Teams change.

Those suites generate a lot more profitability for the team than your tickets, jerseys, or beers ever will. As is the case in ANY business, those who contribute the most to the bottom line are treated better. And by the way... the bulk of those $350 tickets you're likely paying to a broker, not to the Ravens.

Won't be hard for them. They're already hypocrites. They'll just pretend like they never said anything and pray that nobody calls them out for it. Plus in the past they usually hide in shame most of the time anyway.

Or we just play less combinations with two ILBs on the field. We already play a lot of nickel packages, and we can start playing dime packages with 6 DBs. A good way to get Jefferson, Webb and Weddle on the field at the same time. Frankly, if those packages can work, the only need for a 2nd ILB is on obvious running downs. You've already got a guy like McClellan on the roster who could fill that void. The only concern I have at ILB is IF Mosley gets injured for a long period of time, which is not something you can really plan on. We lack depth at the position.

Well, proven to be one legitimate WR. Others will be stepping up. Not like we need 3-4 of them anyway, because we can't sustain that many in this offense.

Don't forget Matt Skura a UDFA and practice squad player from last year as our center. He's been around for a year, hopefully has gained bulk and knowledge. He was considered one of the better UDFA signings from last year's group. I see the Ravens picking up a veteran Tackle since most of our players vying to be a starter seem more inclined to be a G or C. I think Lewis can switch to right tackle, but he looked good at LG and worked well with Stanley This is my problem with the Ravens draft moves a lot. If they have Nembot, Skura, Urschel, Jensen, Lewis, and they are all possible options, why are you wasting 2 picks on more lineman? Especially if they also intend to bring in Mangold. On one hand they are saying they have it all under control in house, and on the other, they are proving with their actions we are hugely deficient in the O line. it cant be both. Well, Urschel and Jensen will both be UFAs after the 2017 season, so they may only be here for another year. Nembot and Skura, while I'm sure full of potential, are also UDFAs. The majority of those players never amount to anything. Even if we like them as depth, you're not heading into a season with two contract year players and two UDFAs and banking on them filling two starting roster spots.

Because they just "seem like" quality starters at this point. We really have no idea. Cameron Erving seemed like a quality starter, and so did Justin Gilbert and Barkevious Mingo. the browns definitely drafted better than us man. if we had got the 3 players they got you would have been ecstatic Well I certainly would expect them to have drafted better... they had the #1 overall pick and 3 first round picks. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. We can get those kinds of players if you want. All we've got to do is go out and lose 14 games this year. Given how most fans think the sky is falling when we lose 8 games...

You know spotrac and over the cap are not always accurate right? They both had us above 10 mil before the draft and they don't get it right untill the PA releases official numbers. back to the rule of 51, so if you release Areington and sign anyone alse for a million. Wouldn't you save a million in cap? Whoever it is that's 52 on that list goes back to 52 when you use that cap space lol so basically if you free up 2 mil then you actually have 2 mil more to spend and no it's not that uncommon to cut guys you just tendered. We just did that with a guy and would do it again if let's say mangold is signed 1.7 mil for proven backups is a steep price to pay. It's basically insurance i honestly think Ozzie is not done with making moves. This offseason hasn't been like the past few and if we keep this momentum rolling then we can seriously compete 1. Yes, they're not always accurate. Except which players are you waiting on them to release numbers for? Most of the time the accuracy issues come from the fact that a player just signed recently and their contracts aren't public yet. Which player does that apply to in this case? Short answer is at this time of the year, they basically are accurate. 2. Yes, actually it is uncommon. The guy we cut earlier this year was one of the first restricted tenders I recall us revoking in many years prior to the start of camp/preseason. 3. No, $1.7M isn't a lot to play for veteran insurance. The minimum salary for a 4-6 year veteran is like $800K anyway, so its about double the league minimum. That's not much. Its why so many teams covet the restricted FA tender IF we were to sign somebody like Mangold, I highly doubt you'd see somebody like Jensen get cut, mostly because you're going to need reserve lineman and you have a lot of marginal players competing for those spots. If he gets cut in August/September, fine, because he got outplayed by his competition. Heck, that could happen to Mangold himself. But you're not cutting these guys in May. 4. I don't know if he's done making moves or not. I'm not a big Mangold fan, mostly because he hasn't been very good in a little while, so to me adding a guy like him isn't really making much of a move. I'd bring him in to compete for the job, not hand it to him. Outside of them, maybe some depth signings here and there, but I don't see any difference makers being signed. I think we've got a lot of youth on this team, particularly on offense, and its time to find out if these guys can play.

Really, we're doing this again? I don't have a source, I called Ozzie myself lol and as far as I know, none of the rookies have been signed so your source is basically guessing if we're gonna play that game. Point is we have cap space to sign 2 or maybe even 3 players. Hurst and Jensen can be let go of for another 3.2 million. Watson frees up 3 and Arrington frees up 2 that's 8 mil more than what we already have if the right players come along. Yes, we're doing this again. Obviously not just going to trust some number that somebody on a fanboard throws out there. And you definitely don't need to know Ozzie to figure this out either... its readily available on the internet. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/ That includes the draft pool. I guess we could cut guys like Hurst or Jensen, but that's pretty unusual for this franchise to cut restricted FA tenders that we just handed out. Jensen in particular figures to very much be competing for a starting role. I agree that we likely will ultimately cut guys like Watson and Arrington, though again, two major caveats here: 1. They have to be healthy enough to pass a physical. If they can't, you have to cut them with a settlement, which will eat into the dead cap space. We have no idea what that amount will be, or when we can even cut them without one. Watson's only about 7 months from a torn achilles and he's an older player... if it takes him 10 months or so to recovery, you can't even cut him without a settlement until close to the start of the season. At that point, his cap space is largely useless. 2. The rule of 51 means you won't get all of that cap savings. If you cut a player, another player moves up into the top 51. Current cutoff looks to be around $540K, so if cut both Arrington and Watson, you lose about $1-1.1M of that cap space. Bottom line... the longer these guys are injured, the more difficult it becomes to cut them.

Yes. The reason they drafted him was to replace Q. Comparing that situation to our situation is just wrong. In Detroit Q was the third WR and they have zero cap space. So it's safe to assume that they're mooving on without him. The funny thing is that I'm on your side and don't think Q is the best option at this point in his career. But I acgnowlidged that there is a chance we sign him. Even if it's 1 percent. You refuse to let that pass. i can only speak of myself but I remember sometime last year when you and I had multiple discussions about the salary cap and signing Free Agents. I made valid points and so did you. Except You went as far as to call me out and say i must be crazy. You said stuff like "end of discussion and this is a fact!" When all I was trying to show you is that salary cap space can be and should be freed up last year. Guess what, we did free up a lot of cap space and signed a few good guys when you said its impossible and mocked me like I was out of my mind. Heck you were wrong but I don't hold that against you because I know you were just passionate about our Ravens. Other people may take it the wrong way and you certainly wouldn't like people speaking to you in the same tone that you sometime speak to others. You once called someone a flat out "Troll" and you may have been right about his action. You certainly were wrong to call him a troll. Call out his action, neg him, or ignore. The difference between calling someone a troll or saying this comment seems like your trolling is heaven and hell 1. I'd like to get a direct quote of where I said something like "end of discussion and that is a fact", because that's not something I typically say. Would love to get the specifics behind this claim. On the surface, it appears you have me confused with somebody else. I argue with people frequently about the salary cap, primarily because very few people seem to have a vague clue about how it works, but most of the time its more about education than speculation. 2. Based on what I see, the Lions have more cap space than we do currently, at close to $6M. They too, like us, could cut a player or two and create more if needed. The reason I compared the situations is because our own fanbase is demanding we sign a veteran receiver purely because we don't trust the one's we have on our team... mostly because they are too young and inexperienced. Sounds like the exact same situation in Detroit to me when it comes to a 3rd rounder or Boldin. The reason you resign Boldin is because you know he will only be there for another year, and then your guy takes over next season. 3. I call many people trolls because they are trolls. I call it like I see it. I tell people who make one or two trolling comments that they are trolling. I tell people who make nothing but trolling comments that they are a troll, because they are a troll. If they don't want to be called a troll, then don't troll. Its that simple. They make their choice to come in here and troll, and I make my choice to call them out for what they are. Same concept with people who post baseless opinions. You got guys in here every day who ignorantly say they think we should cut Flacco. They don't care about the gigantic negative impact on the salary cap, or the fact that we'd have to cut like a dozen players in order to make that happen (some of which are very valuable). Those people deserve to be scrutinized. They deserve to have their opinions disagreed with and oftentimes ripped apart, because they are opinions based on ignorance. Nobody could even realistically argue that their opinion is valid.

All I'm saying is that you can attack anyone's opinion not them as a person. There's probably a hundred times where I felt like telling someone (your and ideot) and I probably would have been right at that point but your a regular here and this place is a bit classier than that. Heck you are classier than that. That's all im sayin 1. This place certainly isn't classier than that. 2. I attack somebody personally when they intentionally try to manipulate something that somebody else wrote to further their own agenda or make their weak argument look better. That's not voicing an opinion. That's just being a jerk, plain and simple. If somebody is going to act that way, and especially when its in a conversation with me, they are absolutely going to be called out for it, because they've at least earned that much.

Watson and whatever his face CB that's getting cut frees up 5 mil more. And we have 6 mil not 4 Source for the $6M? Plus we don't know for sure that Watson is getting cut... we just assume that he is. We won't cut him unless we have somebody to sign with his money. As far as I know, neither he nor Arrington is healthy enough to release at this point.

Think its pretty clear who is leading their respective groups. Suggs leads the Dline/LBs, Weddle leads the secondary. Steve Smith was leading the receivers, and Yanda leads the Oline. I thought this was common knowledge. If your interpretation of "leadership" is a guy who delivers sermons in the locker room or is constantly in the public eye preaching like Ray Lewis was, then I think the lack of leadership falls on your end, not the Ravens end. If I asked you to tell me who the leader of the groups of players on the New England Patriots are, you couldn't do that either. So apparently they don't have leadership from player commanders (outside of Brady) either, yet they seem to keep winning.

That isn't accurate at all. Even if he had lost a step, even if he was terrible, cutting him so early into such a big deal with a large signing bonus really put us behind the 8-ball in terms of the salary cap. We would have dealt with that and kept him on the team, even putting him on IR to open up a roster spot if necessary before we would cut him. The year he was released he counted $6.3 million against the cap for a player who wasn't on the team, and $9.5 million against the cap the following year. That is for a player we still had to replace and pay another player to do his job. It makes no sense to say he lost a step and that is why we cut. The other thing that makes this inaccurate is that the team released him only after the video went public. The team had plenty of time to cut him before that and they knew full well what had happened because Ozzie made a statement that Ray Rice had told them the full truth without trying to make it sound like it wasn't that bad. The previous year he played injured and he was widely reported to have prepared himself to peak condition for the upcoming year. He was cut for PR reasons that were beyond the team's control. Ozzie wanted to keep him the whole time. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/ray-rice-3998/ http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-financial-ramifications-of-ravens-terminating-ray-rices-contract-20140908-story.html For the most part this is accurate. He was declining, but he would have made the team in 2014 because of his contract. Now, after that season, who knows. My guess is he would have been a post June-1 cut during the 2015 offseason. So the video probably expedited him getting cut by a season. Now I will point out that the fact that the team knew what occurred on the video really doesn't change much, because hearing or reading about something is very different than seeing it. I read about people getting murdered in the newspaper everyday. That's very different than watching somebody get murdered. You can even tell me how they will get murdered and how graphic it is, and it's still not the same as seeing it. However, one of the main reasons why he won't get signed by another team is due to his lack of production towards the end of his career.

Of course I'm not reading it... SMH..... move on now. I don't know why you even have a discussion with that user. They are closed minded and think their opinion, which is all it is, an opinion, is fact. Almost everything related to the NFL is opinion. Even when you bring up stats, everyone is in completely different situations so even stats are irrelevant a lot of times while trying to make a point. I love having open discussions and learning from others opinions on here, but as you're finding out probably, useless with that one That's on you. I can only lead the horse to the water... I can't make him drink. Some people like to listen to opinions that actually have basis and substance, as opposed to one's that involve sticking your thumb up your butt and seeing what comes out. There en lies the difference between myself and "other posters". Some just want to have their opinion, no matter how stupid or baseless it may be. They just want to give a "fresh hot sports take". Nobody will ever accuse me of doing this, because I'm actually taking the time to gain information as opposed to making claims and praying that they are right later. I'm interested in getting it right... a lot of you are just interested in being right. Major generational difference between the two of us.

Chilax bro...... detroit just drafted a big target in the third round so theyr probably not bringing Boldin back. If fans want to believe we have a better chance of landing Q then let it be. and calling someone childish because they disagree with your opinion is not so grown up.... And do you really think that the Lions using a 3rd round pick on an extremely raw WR means they're done at the position? Heck, if WE drafted a 3rd rounder, do you think the fanbase or the team would be content with what we have? We don't even trust a 1st rounder in his 3rd year... what makes you think another team is going to trust a raw 3rd rounder to make up for that production in his rookie year? I doubt they're done looking to add receivers, just like other teams in the league aren't done. Detroit isn't the only team that would be interested.

Chilax bro...... detroit just drafted a big target in the third round so theyr probably not bringing Boldin back. If fans want to believe we have a better chance of landing Q then let it be. and calling someone childish because they disagree with your opinion is not so grown up.... LOL, that's not why I called her childish. I called her childish because she attempted to support her opinion with an article that she very clearly didn't bother to read, because she thought it said something that it never said. And I called her childish because I told her to stop responding because she failed multiple times to make any sort of contribution to the discussion (outside of just re-posting an article that said something everybody is already talking about), and yet she continued to post replies to me after ironically telling somebody else to "move on" (which she very clearly didn't do herself and still hasn't). How is that not childish?

Kaepernick isn't pushing anybody.

Because they just "seem like" quality starters at this point. We really have no idea. Cameron Erving seemed like a quality starter, and so did Justin Gilbert and Barkevious Mingo.

Yanda will likely return to the right side, where he normally plays. Him playing LG last season was a product of his should injury.

No one is calling for a game breaker. Key role players will do. you forgot to mention that in most previous years we had no cap space to work with by this time. This year we do. So are you saying there's no way we bring in Mangold and Decker and give up a 6th and release Watson? I think that's more than "not much" and I believe those two will do wonders to improving this offense 1. We've had cap space to work with the last few years. We've carried over around $4M + in the last few years. That's more than enough to sign a veteran player who's getting cut in the summer. 2. I fully expect us to bring in Mangold, but he's also a FA and has been for some time. The kinds of players you guys are talking about are cuts or trades from other teams. I still think we release Watson. And I don't think we get Decker. It certainly won't be via trade, because he's due $7.5M this season. If we get Decker, its IF he is cut, when we compete with many other teams who would want him. Plus, if you're concerned about cap space, we only have about $4.5M of it right now. So how you plan on signing Mangold and Decker with that is going to be a stretch, even with a few more cuts.

The first part of the offseason is the whole FO hitting FA and redoing contracts. Then Decosta had his draft. Now its Ozzies time..... This is when Ozzie bargain hunts. if im not mistaken, this is when we landed the likes of Jacoby, doom, zuttah. This is when players get traded for dirt cheap because teams are rebuilding and drafted rookies replacing vets. this is where we get gems for the right price. I like this team with decker and mangold if it only costs us giving up a 6th and releasing Watson. You are mistaken, and that's the point. Doom was a March acquisition, and so was Zuttah. As I said earlier, the "bargain shopping" theory is nice and all, but it doesn't happen every year and it rarely lands a world-beater type player. Yes, you can get somebody like Jacoby. He had one season of being a good kick returner and was integral in our SB win. After that, not much. Daryl Smith is probably the best of those late acquisitions. A good player certainly, but that also doesn't happen every year. This is the time of year we usually sign maybe 1 key role player.

I don't know where you believe that Baltimore tried to get Burfict... or Adam "pacman" Jones..... Cannot find anything on it that documents that for either player. They've known that both of those players are dirty and have known it for years. The only place I have EVER seen discussion about either of them is in here..... or on Russell Street Report in their discussion boards. Never once saw it reported by this organization that they wanted either of these guys. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-38-Ravens-Interested-In-Pacman-Jones-Raiders-Offer-Huge-Money-To-Kelechi-Osemele/6f3d8a98-5222-4700-b5ef-ac37ddbb5cce