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'I'll send you a therapy dog as we get closer to the closing of this board. I know you are gonna need it . Now you're spending money on me? OK, I lied. Now its creepy.

I'll be interested to get your take on Jefferson and Carr once we're into the season. I smell a 180 in the future 180 from what? I watched Jefferson before he'll be fine. Just not a fan of getting NFC secondary guys. NE got 4 of 6 free agents from AFC opponents. Untill I see the second game I'm sticking with 8-8. Just too much turnover. Still waiting for literally any sort of proof that players changing conferences has any impact on performance whatsoever. Maybe one day this will have some actual substance behind it.

You are very possibly a factor in the closing of the boards you live for! How ironic! It would not surprise me. If I were the Ravens I would close it with your stupendous arrogance. LOL, nice try kid. I guess you didn't read the reasons why they closed it at all. But hey, your infatuation with me is nothing to be ashamed of. Its certainly not creepy at all, no matter what anybody says.

So you have us drafting six players AND simultaneously trading up multiple times? Yeah that's an obvious no.

You do realize you picked two of our worst run defense performances on the season to make your point?

Well there really aren't any top notch CBs or top notch pass rushers that actually hit FA these days. Those are players you draft, not players you sign as FAs.

I think you need to take context into account on this though. When we signed Arrington, he was strictly as a slot corner who was supposed to cover inside with Webb and Jimmy on the outside. He also spent much of his time here injured, obviously missing all of 2016. Would also added that we signed him to a 3 year deal worth $7M total, which means he's less than a $3M a year player. That's not exactly giving him a big chunk of change, or viewing him as a key player. Lewis also didn't sign for that much, and was actually a decent starter on prior teams (KC and Houston). Not a stud player by any stretch, and not sure he was ever really signed to be a starter either. I agree with the premise that we typically think most FAs we sign our studs, and these two turned out not to be, but its important to consider context and cost in this. Its possible we will hear in a year that somebody like a Danny Woodhead was a bad signing because his role wasn't big enough, but again, when you factor in cost and how we committed to him, its not really much. No different than giving somebody like Ben Watson a cheap, 2 year contract. If it works out, its a bargain. If it doesn't, you move on quickly without substantial cap impact. Not every FA we sign as a world of expectations when they come in. Given that we gave Carr $6M a year, I would say expectations are obviously higher than Arrington, but also the structure of the deal dictates that we aren't extremely confident in him, and could move on quickly if things deteriorate. Jefferson and Williams are the only two signings I've seen so far that we are actually committed to for at least 3 years.

Haha You are too much rmc. I am going to miss your arrogance when the boards shut down. Hopefully you find a new home. Just FYI, what you are posting on right now isn't going away, so you'll probably still see me posting here quite often.

Agree. Shutting down the forums is a mistake. It's a shame too because the people in charge of marketing are probably the type of people that are absorbed by their phones and twitter, facebook, ect and think everyone else must be too. A large amount of fans on the forums here are from out of state and even out of country. They will be hurt the most from this. Local fans are engulfed in Ravens fandom. This whole area turns purple every fall. It's enough to make a steelers fan nervous just walking into a dunkin donuts! I hear the team say they want to expand ravens nation but this move may do the opposite. It's a shame. Could argue both sides of this. I mean it costs money to operate these forums, and I don't exactly see a significant revenue source to offset those costs do you? I mean its not like anybody is going to stop watching the team because they shut down the forum on the teams website, especially when there's dozens of other forums they can go to. I'm not happy with it either, but I can certainly see why it happened.

Jimmy doesn't cover Brown that often. Brown lines up all over the formation, and when he's in the slot, Jimmy rarely follows. In fact, I would bet that if you went back and watched film, the Ravens rarely go man-to-man on Brown, and probably have 2-3 guys playing bracket coverage most of the time. Overall, Ravens have done a great job in the past of covering Brown, especially compared to how other teams have fared. My god man! I try to make a point that the Carr signing is a good thing and you just zero in on one little insignificant example and you just pounce. I could have used any wr as an example. My point is that Jimmy will typically cover the #1 receiver so there is less pressure on Carr. Well its not really an insignificant detail, because it doesn't take into account our gameplan or what kind of team we are. Whether or not Jimmy covers the #1 WR or not depends on whether we're even playing man coverage, whether that WR is an outside vs slot receiver, etc. Take into account also the fact that Jimmy doesn't play full seasons that often, and Carr is going to have plenty of pressure on him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game. Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either. Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft. Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for. 2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should. All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne. But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2. Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two. Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two. There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may. It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there. 1. We got a 30 year old CB who is as durable as it comes at the position. I was told by most fans that we wanted reliability there, and that's what we got. 2. We have no idea if there's many quality starters in that group or not. All speculation and guessing at this point. Fans way too often make definitive statements about a draft class months before the draft, based on what some analyst says. Could be right, or could be incredibly wrong. I can tell you the last time I heard about a Corner class this good, it had a lot of good players, and a lot of busts, especially in the first two rounds. Entirely possible that we draft a Corner early, and entirely possible that said Corner turns out to not be a very good football player. In which case we did exactly what fans wanted, and it didn't work out... so shouldn't the fans be held accountable for that then? There are no guarantees in the draft. People need to understand this very quickly. Now you're just making excuses for your weak argument. Yes, it's possible that some draft picks don't work out. What are you not going draft and fill every hole via FA because of the chance of the pick not panning out? No. At some point you have to draft for positions and we have a scouting dept whose job is to scout these players. The draft lines up us for CB but we will not take 1 in the first 2 rounds. There are quality starters within those rounds despite what you may think that would be same or better than Carr and younger + cheaper. Come draft time you will see I was right. But again, you keep viewing this as a choice between FA OR Draft. That's not the choice you have to make. It can be a choice of FA AND Draft, which I'm saying it will be. No, you can't fill every hole through FA. What you also can't do is fill every hole through the draft, especially when your recent draft history isn't quite up to par with the better teams in the league. You think this notion of just drafting a first round Corner and him being a good player is so easy... every single shred of evidence points in the exact opposite direction. Its practically a coin flip based on how most drafts have gone recently. While we do have a scouting department, they like every other scouting department in this league whiff... A LOT. If 50% of your draft class becomes starting caliber players or even key role players, you hit a Homerun in the draft. That means that 1 out of every 2 players can not pan out at all, and you did a good job as a scout. Stop and think about that for a second. And that's not a Ravens standard... that's a league-wide standard, because there are very few teams that get 50% of their draft to play well for them in any given year. You have no idea how the draft lines up for us. You're basing all of this based on what some mock draft or analysts tell you... and they're wrong more than NFL scouts are. If there's starting caliber players in the first round, there's starting caliber players in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds and possibly even deeper. Our 2nd best corner on our team, who was pretty good last year, was a 4th rounder. Its obviously harder to get a good corner in the 4th than the 1st, but neither is guaranteed by any stretch. I have no idea when we will draft a corner. If a corner is the best player on our board when its our pick at 16, we will take one. We're not going to deviate from the BPA strategy because fans say so. We may take one in the 2nd, the 3rd, the 4th, or the 7th. I have no idea, and neither do you. You can pat yourself on the back all you want when we take a corner in the 3rd, but if the corner in the 3rd ends up being a better player than the corner in the 1st, then you were wrong. And you won't know that for several years.

Are you still in a nervous breakdown over the forum closing? Does it look like I am? I'm on suspension from the forum until the end of the month, but clearly you couldn't live without me though...

The issue is throwing money at a guy that doesn't deserve it. Waste of a roster spot, the monetary value doesn't have anything to do with my statement about his performance! LOL, there's 53 roster spots and a lot of them will be spent on guys who won't contribute beyond special teams. If you're grand plan was to draft 2-3 corners in this draft and think they're going to come in right away and contribute, your expectations are unfounded. This was always going to be a mix of FA corners (of which there isn't a ton) and rookies via the draft.

Jimmy doesn't cover Brown that often. Brown lines up all over the formation, and when he's in the slot, Jimmy rarely follows. In fact, I would bet that if you went back and watched film, the Ravens rarely go man-to-man on Brown, and probably have 2-3 guys playing bracket coverage most of the time. Overall, Ravens have done a great job in the past of covering Brown, especially compared to how other teams have fared.

Lmao not thrown at???? My goodness man I'm not gonna argue. The team stats don't lie, Dallas as a team and Carr has been one of the worst secondarys in the nfl for yrs. Once he left K.C he has sucked and that has been proven. 2015 he ranked 73rd in the league giving up a Passer rating of 117. Oh yea those are shutdown stats, you can put lipstick on a pig as the old cliché goes, guess what, it's still a filthy animal. He's not getting paid like a shutdown corner. So where's the issue?

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game. Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either. Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft. Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for. 2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should. All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne. But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2. Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two. Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two. There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may. It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there. 1. We got a 30 year old CB who is as durable as it comes at the position. We wanted reliability there, and that's what we got. 2. We have no idea if there's many quality starters in that group or not. All speculation and guessing at this point. I can tell you the last time I heard about a Corner class this good, it had a lot of good players, and a lot of busts, especially in the first two rounds. Entirely possible that we draft a Corner early, and entirely possible that said Corner turns out to not be a very good football player. There are no guarantees in the draft.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game. Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either. Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft. Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for. 2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should. All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne. But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2. Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two. Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two. There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

Well you can't get Butler without a 1st round pick at this point, so I definitely don't want him at that price. I'll take Claiborne AND a drafted corner in the first 3 rounds, which is the most likely route we go anyway.

People that think Jimmy is overrated don't really watch our games that often. Very clearly the most valuable player on our defense, and there's a gigantic difference between our defense's performance with him on the field vs without him on the field.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game. Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Did Joe really said he wants to take 50% of his payout? Where did you hear that? Sorry, the Joe thing was a joke. My bad. I wish it wasn't Yeah, because that whopping $3M paycut he would take would really save us... Pretty sure anything helps. SSS signed for about 3 a year> I guess he didn't make an impact.....LOL try not to be so unhappy Well I mean I've seen our record since he was here, so how much impact does any individual player make when you need to upgrade like a dozen positions? But hey, always fun to play cavalier with somebody elses money just to make yourself feel better about the team you cheer for. Maybe you should take 50% of your paycheck and send that over the Ravens so they can spend it however they want. Because, hey, "pretty sure anything helps". LOL. Stay classy, fans.

Did Joe really said he wants to take 50% of his payout? Where did you hear that? Sorry, the Joe thing was a joke. My bad. I wish it wasn't Yeah, because that whopping $3M paycut he would take would really save us...

Murray signed with the Vikings. Not that it matters, because we weren't in the market for a guy like him anyway.

1. Not necessarily, and we have so many other needs. It would work better if we could trade one of our existing TE's, maybe for an OL guy. 3. Gilmore is pretty darn good with the ball in his hands. 5. I agree. If we have a chain moving TE, do we need a chain moving WR? i was actually talking with a buddy of mine about the possibility of the front office trading one of the te's for a pick or o-lineman I don't see any of our TEs having trade value.

Yeah, I don't see us taking John Ross.