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9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea i don't really get the hate on McDaniels either,  he is a great OC,  I am curious what he could do for flacco.   The issue in Denver was he had complete control of the roster if I remember correctly.   While you and I disagree about Harbs,  I would like McDaniels here if we were to let harbs go.   Sometimes you just need a fresh face,  I think harbs is on the hot seat next year.  

What he did for Bradford in St. Louis, following a 7-9 year with Pat Shurmur as OC where he had 3512 yards on 60% comp with 18 TD and 15 INT as a rookie:

Again, just saying I think there are questions about how great an OC he actually is, and his record outside of New England doesn't suggest that he can repeat what he did there anywhere else.

22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Here's the thing that gets me about you all and Josh McDaniels. Again, not advocating for him necessarily, but I would love him on this staff in some shape or form.

He was given 28 games. We give players a full 48 games, sometimes more, to prove their worth. Why can the same standard not apply to coaches? Is it because double standards are nice and convenient? I'd venture that the answer is yes.

A player is given three full seasons, but a coach who has to craft a 53 man roster and manage an entire coaching staff is fairly judged after 28? Makes sense...

Moreover, if there were no second chances, we don't see John Fox in Denver (who won the AFCW for four straight seasons), no Kubiak in Denver, no Andy Reid in KC, no Bill Belichick in NE, no Pete Caroll in Seattle. I mean, do you all realize how difficult it is to be a first time head coach (especially for how young he was). Do you also realize people can learn?

BmoreBird, I really like your stuff.  I think you are one of the best posters I've seen on here.  I've never, ever read anything you've read about defensive cover schemes and disagreed.  Or on anything else, really.  You talk down a lot of loonies in a very authoritative way, and far beyond anything I could ever do.  However, I had the pleasure of living in the metro Denver area during the McDaniels tenure.  IN GENERAL, I agree with you on coaches.  You'll rarely find me as passionate about a potential hire as I am with this one.  But not with this guy.  I got an unfortunate amount of Denver local media during that time, and if I were to liken him to a world leader, it wouldn't be a mediocre-to-below average US president.  It would be Kim Jong-un.  The thing blew up in his face, and while he kept getting the chance to show people even ONE reason why he was the victim of poor circumstances or had potential to right the ship a bit if given more time and experience, he would consistently double down and make it so, so, SO much worse than it had to be.  The X's and O's can remain a debate, but it was his leadership style and failures, not so much as a coach but usually as a human being, that just make me think that he won't be the guy you want at age 36, 46, 56, or 66.  If he was unquestionably the reason for the success in New England, I'd see it differently.  However, I think there's just as much evidence that he's a system guy as there is that he genuinely possesses rare wisdom, and given his leadership style and some examples of horrific behavior from guys who are universally respected around the league, I don't see what the pro-McDaniels camp is seeing.

I'm not saying I'm right.  I could be completely wrong and you might be right.  I'm just saying that I'm reacting the same way you might if you went to Los Angeles and they were talking about hiring Cam Cameron to resurrect their offense.  I think I understand why no one wanted to give this guy another shot at it, and why New England feels the need to politic for his hiring in public.

Josh McDaniels?  Are we talking about the same guy who got caught cheating but still finished the final 22 games of his HC career at 5-17 (taking over a team that was disappointing at 8-8 after being projected to win the AFC West), the guy who would take every bad situation and exacerbate it to the nth degree, the guy who chased out an admittedly kooky Jay Cutler but was forced to take Kyle Orton instead, who traded Peyton Hillis and a draft pick to Cleveland (where he put up over 1,000 yards) for a QB who appeared on the active roster one time because he, ahem, supposedly "hit on his wife," who chased out Brandon Marshall, who drafted Knowshon Moreno with #12, who had Earl Thomas sitting at his pick (couldn't miss prospect) but traded the pick for Alphonso Smith (who he traded for Dan Gronkowski), who picked Tim Tebow in the first round, who gave three and a half mil guaranteed to a guy who failed to make the roster out of training camp, who chased out every affordable veteran already under contract to try and pick up expensive New England free agents--even at LONG SNAPPER--who became so hated among Denver players for his erratic behavior and score-settling that the entire city revolted against him at one point, who had Mike Nolan literally just QUIT on him and say that McDaniels is so unprofessional that he was impossible to work with, and who then went to St. Louis, who needed a press conference to assure furious fans that he would have no input into personnel decisions, and put up the 11th worst offense in NFL history at 12.1 points per game?

Sure, what could possibly go wrong?  We'd be lucky to have him.  That's why he didn't get hired in 2016.  So many teams were fighting over Josh that they all had to agree not to hire him and wait until 2017.

38 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Well he won you a Lombardi (even though I'm not sure you deserved it) in 2012 without any of the things you listed, so again that seems like a silly statement.

2. He's been criticized for it often. Whether you knew that or chose to ignore it entirely up to you, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

3. Sure he is. The guy who always plays worse in the playoffs. Yes, that's exactly what NFL teams are looking for in QB (rolls eyes).

4. Nope, I'm a realist. I see what other teams have at QB, and specifically, what they don't have. I see there's at least a half dozen franchises that have spent over a decade looking for a QB that is as good as Flacco, regardless of what you think about him. And I know that if he were a FA tomorrow, there would be a about 10 teams in the league that would gladly pay him as much or more than what we pay him now. 

Because I spend time looking at what other teams do. I don't just go look at the box scores and fantasy stats of other players and say "well gee golly they are better".

To be honest, I'm looking forward to the post-Flacco struggle. Its a ways off, but those first few years where we are putting a QB out there far worse than Flacco (and we will)... I'm really looking forward to it. I'll have my popcorn ready every week, and just sit back and laugh at the boards.

I'll say this confidently... there's a large number of "fans" who post on this board that definitely deserve like a decade long drought of just really bad teams. Like you guys have legitimately earned the right to have that. I'm talking like Bills/Browns level teams for at least 10 years.

Maybe that'll whip some of you guys into shape, or if nothing else, it will weed out the "pretenders". And this board is full of a lot of "pretenders".

This pretty much sums it up.

Y'know, the one thing I had hoped for this year is that after finally seeing what this team was without Flacco last year, this kind of stuff would go away.  Two offensive line starters go out for Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers, arguably the most talented QB in the history of the NFL, puts up a Stoney Case stat line and everyone's murmuring about what's going wrong in Green Bay.  

With THIS offensive line that we had today?  You expect what?  You think Derek Carr would come in here and go 24-for-32, 296 and 3 TDs?  Whatever you're drinking, pass it over here.

Fans in general do not have a grasp on how the game of football works, particularly at the professional level.  They watch too much ESPN, where everything is broken down to a single player having some impact on the game exponentially beyond reality.  So I say, if we're doing this, why just stop at Flacco?  While we're at it, let's also sign Joe Thomas, A.J. Green, Antonio Brown, David Johnson, J.J. Watt, Khalil Mack, et al.

And then we can come back to reality and realize that with some rookie, unproven, or strictly-system QB behind this line, we're not 3-2 but 1-4 or 0-5.  There are problems to be angry about right now, but if you think it's Flacco, I just... I don't understand what you're watching between 1-4 on Sunday afternoons.

Got an aircraft promotion so I arrived in South Florida on Thursday for aircraft training. I'll be at Kirby's this afternoon--looking forward to seeing some Ravens fans out for the game!

Hey all, totally new here! I'm a Ravens fan from Saxis, VA (a tiny Chesapeake Bay crabbing community on the Eastern Shore). I'm currently in Alexandria and will be in Ft. Lauderdale, FL for the entire 2011 season (I'm a pilot and starting my first airline job down there). Any local Ravens fans there who can give me a heads up about the area--your insight would be treasured! Let's go get 'em this year!