43 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:So basically you're regurgitating what I just said.
If you give Billick great offensive personnel and/or a great defense, he will be a good coach.
That's NOT a guy I want to hire. And it appears he's not a guy ANY team has wanted to hire for the last decade.
He collected 4 more years of paychecks from Bisciotti. Got a nice gig as a TV analyst. And how do you know nobody wanted to hire him? Not all discussions are public. Whats Jon Gruden,Dungy and Cowher's excuses?
9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:i agree, garcon would be a dream pickup for us and another addition in the long line of quality FA WR signings weve made, but jeffrey would be more realistic. although i dont think were gonna be targeting jeffrey.
one guy who i think isnt getting enough attention is vincent jackson. i know hes up there in age, but i dont think tampa is gonna be breaking the bank for him and will let him walk, and i think he could be a quality pickup on a 1 year deal for 2-3mil which i think is very realistic and fair. hes always been a sure handed big bodied receiver and i think he and joe would get familiar with eachother really quick.
im beginning to think that the clamoring for a stud WR to grow with joe is overrated, weve done so well with free agents and so poor with drafting them, why not keep doing what works? its obvious joe prefers throwing to a savvy veteran and i think he fits the mold. not to mention its always good to give joe at least one guy who can make a contested catch and bail him out on occasion.
Its hard to say what we gonna do at WR and I do think Vincent Jackson would be in that price range and I like it but I like to see only 1 yr deal. Michael Floyd could be interesting to where I think he could be had on a prove it deal. I went to OTC to check on FA WRs and tried to see if there was any lesser knowns I thought could be a good signing and I didn't see much. Aiken was there and he could be had for reasonable money but I'm thinking we can go with Perrriman,Wallace and Camp for top 3 now cuz I don't think Ozzie gonna mess with his comp pick formula so we may have to look for later cuts which will happen
One interesting name I noticed tho was Adam Thielen who's in RFA. Would you make a play for him if he's offered a 2nd rd tender. At least we could force the Vikings to pay more lol.
6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:I'm not sure where anyone even gets the idea that he's leaving dc. Talk around skins nation is Garcon is their top priority this off-season.
Yeah I was basically thinking he'd be a better option than Jeffries imo.
16 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:Well, the author was me, so if you want to ask me any questions on what I saw, go ahead.
If you also read the post in which I shared the link, you'd see that I'm not absolving Pees of any blame because there are certainly things that could be done differently, but it's a never ending loop with the way people think.
Who teaches the players to play this way? That's gonna be the positional coaches, Leslie Frazier for the secondary. Right, the same Frazier that 99% of people want coaching the defense instead of Pees. Oh, and you know what defense Frazier runs? The Tampa 2... kinda like the Ravens are using and failing with on many of these plays against the Steelers...
I was 50/50 on it because no Jimmy Smith and the Steelers had a healthy Bell and Brown. Those two are capable of making game changing plays against any defense. I certainly thought the defense could hold the lead and was very capable, but I also wasn't going to guarantee they would.
It was a well written piece. I do know position coaches have a lot to do with things but they still are running and teaching Pees's defense. I also remember in another thread involving Frazier I made a couple posts where I was against making him HC cuz of the Tampa 2 style. I wouldn't mind switching to a 4 man front when Jernigan could be a force a 3 tech penetrator
There is one question if you had a nice overview of the plays is if the Ravens corners initiated any contact within 5 yds or were they backpedaling (no matter where they lined up) giving free cushions. Tough on tv to see whats going on. Just initiating contact imo could give the passrush an extra second.
3 hours ago, The Raven said:Pees can't scheme a pass rush if we're not winning one on one battles. I would argue that the number one reason defenses crumble in the fourth quarter is an ineffective pass rush, whether it's fatigue, inability, or whatever. If you look at the defenses that get a stop against a two minute offense, it always comes because of a sack and some hits or a turnover.
Considering we have a pair of very old edge guys, a pair of 340 pounders, a guy who has historically had conditioning and effort problems (Jernigan), and a couple of role players, I'm pretty much certain that fatigue might be a large factor in our fourth quarter melt downs. It's a mix of that and inability.
I'm not trying to defend Pees, but I just believe that defense starts up front. If you're not getting pressure, you're going to get torn apart.
Williams a lot of times at the beginning of the game seems to get tremendous push collapsing the pocket but does seem to tire out later in the game And Urban to me has been a major disappointment. Our DL needs help and I wonder how much Clarence Brooks coaching was missed in this area. I'm thinking a lot. Hopefully Correa,Kaufusi and Henry can contribute more next year.
2 hours ago, rmw10 said:Exactly. It's hard for a secondary, and especially one that has Wright out there, to hold coverage when the pass rush isn't getting there.
I think too many people believe that those putting it on the players are completely absolving Pees. No, Pees has his issues as well. I just think it's absolutely ridiculous that people are too short-sighted to realize that the players are the ones out there making plays. Pees isn't doing it. The players are the ones out there not getting to the QB. Pees isn't doing it. There's some odd belief that every player we have is a superstar and that Pees just isn't using them correctly. I'll never understand the consistent bashing of coaching like if we change that, we're back to a dominant defense that no one can score on. It's like people forget that we were the #1 defense for a good portion of the year. Pees wasn't getting bashed (well, except for one person) when we were completely shutting down the run and even giving team fits in the passing game.
Gosh I sure hope you're not lumping everybody into that statement lol. You do not give enough blame to the coaching. Yes the players play but somebodies calling the shots preparing these guys. If coaching is not important then why have them.
4th qtr collapses. How I would solve that problem? I would grab a certain DC by the belt loops and do a 1.....2.....3 heave and see how far he can fly.
7 minutes ago, Tru11 said:ever considered that the players we have are not as talented as they players we used to had?
or a wild guess here but the players the opponents have are simply just more talented then the players we have?
its quite interesting to see people outraged that guys like OBJ and Antonio Brown beat the living crap out of any of our CBs not named jimmy smith.
there is not 1 person on this planet that can turn wright and powers into players that will be able to lock down the likes of OBJ/Brown in single man cov like they are prime time or revis.....
offenses get paid to and at some point they will figure out how to beat an defense.
it actually says a lot that the defense manages to stop offense for 3 quarters and then break once its the 4th quarter.
after 3 quarters you pretty much have used up everything you have planned and practiced.....
if our own offense actually managed to do a something in those 3 quarters then we did not had to worry about the 4th because the game would have been out reach.however it usually also takes our offense 3 quarters to figure out how to do a something and its the reason why we are in close games going into the 4th.
Maybe they are as talented. You see spurts constantly from guys like Jernigan then they disappear or they make boneheaded decisions. That's not on coaching?
Its also does say a lot when you stop them for 3 qtrs. It also says a lot when they break down in the 4th qtr. You know why? its called bad defensive calls. Getting off the accelerator. Running scared. Again did you have any confidence we could stop Pitt? Do you have any confidence in stopping anybody? Do you only hold the players accountable for 4th qtr collapses? Its really mindblowing that people want to show Marty the door for 1 call but 5 yrs of 4th qtr collapses is okay.
2 minutes ago, Tru11 said:Ray Lewis and Ed Reed where what made others fear us.
Prime Ngata and Suggs also played a huge role.We dont have those caliber players anymore and the odds are we wont every get those caliber players again on the field at the same time.
I agree very much here Tru but remember only 1 of those players was with us during our 1st SB and still these guys need to be coached up and in the right position and frame of mind to make the plays. That's in the coaching. We had all 4 of these guys with Mattison and we were bleh. We had all 4 of these guys during Pees's 1st yr in our 2nd SB but our defense was still not that great. We almost lost that damn SB and it wasn't cuz of the lights lol
I truly believe Ozzie picks players like he's always picked players but the tenacity and the big thing clutch is just not there under Pees and he needs to be held accountable and by accountable I mean shown the door
1 minute ago, usmccharles said:Yea I have no issue with that, worked well with SSr and Boldin. Clearly it would be awesome to have an elite wr like that, but why would anyone want to pay that much for an injury prone ped user. I'd much rather fill other holes, I still think you build winning teams from the inside out. I'd gladly take Garcon over Jeffery
Defintly Garcon would be a much better option but he still may be too pricey but it does seem like he'd be the same m.o. like Mason,Boldin and SSS which hey I'm not complaining.
15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:Go ahead and read that fan post I made. It's pretty long winded, but you might learn a few things about what went wrong.
Not to long to read but its also just an opinion cuz apparently this writer seems to think every play was perfectly called and it was only just the players that lacked the execution which is fine but the bottomline is.........drumroll........who is teaching these players what to do in certain situations? Who holds players accountable? Who teaches the bad techniques? And how long has this been going on? Its the same ol same ol. If its lack of execution sorry I blame the coaching staff.
One time the Ravens had it where if the situation was you had to either hold on to the lead or take the lead I would go with I want to hold on to the lead cuz I got confidence we could do it. Now its the other way around.
I also like the way you avoided the Pitt question. Is it cuz you wasn't confident?
17 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:Pass rusher needs to be top 2 CB I could see some decent prospects in rounds 3-4 depending on what O-linemen are available in the 2nd. Also we will have Maurice Canady coming back next year who I think could be a solid CB with that typical size all teams look for.
Forgot about Canady and I have liked what Ive seen so far and one guy I like from college is Tredavius White from LSU. I just don't think he make it to 2nd rd and for passrushers(which I'm also talking bout penetrating DLinemen) the only 2 so far I'm confident in are the 2 from Alabama(Williams and Allen) who will be gone in top 10. I've seen a few games but I have to do more research.
13 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:Keep building D, fix the run game, with that Flacco will be more efficient. That's the formula our championships are built on, no reason to abandon that. Our D is only a couple pieces away from being truly elite, depth is the concern. We've got the D to win games if our offense gives them a bit of help beyond 3 and outs all game. Over the second half of the season our Oline has started to turn around and play pretty great, Zuttah and Ducasse are the obvious weak links there, good news is that we've already got a plan to remove one of those, i.e. Alex Lewis at LG, Yanda back to RG, now we just need to find a replacement for Zuttah and we've got the line that is pretty damn good with a year of development. Flacco has also turned his season completely around, after starting the season with 9 TDs to 9 interceptions, he's had 11 TDs to 5 interceptions, he's regaining his confidence that the injury briefly took from him, now he's being more efficient. Since getting healthy Dixon has proven to be a good RB, great pass catcher and is a surprisingly tough runner, West is a good backup.
We've got a young core for the defense in place with a great vet or two, add a pass rusher and secondary depth and we're good. Defense should be the focus, and making the offense more reliable, do that and we've got a great team.
We've already got many of the pieces in place, fix center, fix depth, and this team can go far. If we don't drop those gimme games early this season then we'd be sitting pretty in the playoff picture right now. We've only got ourselves to blame. Come out firing next season, be angry for missing the playoffs two seasons in a row, and just win, that's all we can say.
Totally agree with this and I'm thinking the next 2 drafts on defense and drafting 2 interior Olinemen in the middle of our draft this year. Just not exactly sure what we can do at center but I'm not liking Zuttah
5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:I was with you for most this, then you bring Jeffery into the conversation which made me shiver.... I just can't understand how you guys want this guy
You know how it is. Everybody wanting the big cheeze and not considering the salary cap. Probally need to go out and get some sort of possession receiver within the 2-3 mil range.
15 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:Yes I agree we need younger pass rushers I am more inclined to try to keep Doom knowing the Achilles was the issue but at a reduced price but we need to get younger I like Judon a lot but we need someone else.
I'm thinking we need a passrusher and a CB in the 1st 2 rounds in no particular order just however the draft board falls.
It kills me to see some posters claiming Pees has "exotic blitzes" when what I mostly see is maybe 7 men lining up on the scrimmage and then the offense has to guess who is coming. Ooooooo. and usually the QB runs a cadence that actually show who is blitzing. QB audibles and Ravens still blitz the same ones that were showing blitz. Yep real exotic. Never audibling. Nothing. You never see the Ravens dropping any DLinemen in coverage. Or how bout bringing an outside corner off the edge. Or what do you know maybe have a delayed blitz. Their blitzes are pathetic and very obvious and my favorite Pees description...vanilla. Ravens also figgering out snap count is horrendous. Pretty much reason why we cant get a good 4 man passrush but ya know whats that got to do with Pees lol.
@BmoreBird22 you can disguise coverages by dropping a safety in a short middle zone and dropping a LB off into the flat or showing man coverage but zoning but I know you already know this but man cmon you know Pees gets off the gas pedal and drops into soft zones time and time again to keep the play in front and run clock which ultimately costs us the game or makes it one hell of a nailbiter. Be honest man how much confidence did you have that we could shut Pitt down after Juice scored. I know I didn't but I thought we was gonna at least hold them to a FG lol. Our defense instills no fear when at one time it used too and that's just a fact no matter how high we ranked.
The major flub was trading our 1st to Minn(Harrison Smith) and dropping back and getting Upshaw and Gradkowski. Ugh!
3 minutes ago, balfan23 said:I don't like the idea of an extension to smooth out his cap hit for 2016. That to me just increases your long term risk and we're just in the same spot a year later, with an aged player you don't really feel like provides produciton.
What do you mean exactly by a "straight paycut"? A team can't just reduce a players pay, can they? Are you talking about a cut in pay by releasing him and then trying to sign him back?
They can ask him to take a paycut like they did with Webb and Pitta then give him the chance to earn money back thru incentives. Its the only way they should keep him.
To @Ravens419 you have 2 aging passrushers. This is a major need.
He knew how to hire good DCs also.
Think about all the players Ozzie drafts on defense. They just don't fit Harbs and Pees's style imo. Bring back Rex or even Marvin.
On 12/22/2016 at 2:48 PM, Terp4life40 said:I think we make it as a Wild Card going 9-7.
Miami, with a backup QB, loses next 2. We own head to head tiebreaker.
Denver goes 9-7. We have tiebreaker with better conference record.
Buffalo goes 9-7. We have tiebreaker with head to head win.
Tenn goes 9-7. We have tiebreaker with better conference record.
Head to heads only mean something when only those 2 teams are tied. When its 3 or more with same record head to head means nothing.
If the Ravens were worried about clock control they wouldn't have called a passing play. Just a straight up INC could have occurred or maybe even an INJ which would have a lot of INK about it.
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11 hours ago, I*Bleed*Purple said:I wish Sergio Kindle could have played too. But wishes don't make football players. Camp is soft. And a waste of a roster spot.
If Camp can make a fair catch. I would be fine with that.
On 12/16/2016 at 8:23 AM, K-Dog said:I don't think he is allowed based on players union contract mumbo-jumbo.
I could be wrong.
As far as I know players are allowed to do what they want. Coaches just cant be present.
On 12/16/2016 at 8:53 AM, Drew P said:I wonder if they practice check down tosses
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I haven't read the article on Steve but I cant picture this passionless guy being upset. Especially when he may be in his last year.
12 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:North Dakota State down 10 to JMU in the 4th
I'd like to see JMU take it. I was shocked to see NDSU had won 5 championships in a row and a whole lot before that. Didn't realize they was such a powerhouse. I was switching back and forth between that and the Div III game which one team avg'd 49 pts a game and the other 38 pts a game. Final score 10-7 lol.
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Great news. Really not much of a difference between him and Matt.
4 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:Denver is a playoff team IMO. They'll come into this game with that experience, and personnel on defense and say what you want about the QB but Peyton wasn't so great when they won the SB. I would much rather play Oak or KC to be honest with you.
Not me. I believe we match up very well with their offense and altho I think Wade Phillips is the best DC in the league they're not as dominant as last year on defense. Don't underestimate the QB situation here that knocks that experience level down quite a few notches. KC believe it or not scares me the most.
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His offense definitely got better as the season went along but my main concern with Marty is he likes the short passing game which is starting to make me ill.
He would be my #1 choice but I wouldn't be surprized if Elway makes him HC
This ones tough cuz he commited to run the ball but he's also had read and react QBs running his system which Joe don't fit that mold lol.