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1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't really want to get rid of Jernigan even if he is inconsistent. However if trading him could move us up like five or six picks in the second or ten in the third (from either 3rd pick) then I'd take that deal.

Just now reading bout the Jernigan stuff here but are you saying you want to trade our original pick plus Jernigan to move up a couple spots? I do have to say Ozzie like those deals lol but I'd be against that considering he could have a heck of a year and we could gain a good comp. I believe if Jernigan is traded tho it'd be a player for player move.

Joe played a lot better in the 2nd half of the year but when you making the 2nd highest money in the league you gotta put a lot more on his shoulders. The money dictates that. Joe is going to be healthy next year plus he said he's gonna hold a camp with his receivers( Which I'm holding him to) and let the cards fall where they may. Gotta solidify this offensive line tho but right now cutting Joe will cost us 47 mil against the cap so you know straight up ITS NOT HAPPENING. So deal.

Cry,cry cry all everybody wants but Joe is the QB for the next 2 yrs and he owns what he does. Period!! We made that bed.

10 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4228956-155/utah-football-garett-bolles-picked-himself

Here we go.  I knew there was something. It's a good read

Wow!! Great story.

3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Way too fragile to be an everyday returner. Anytime he filled in there it was an automatic fair catch.  I think it would still be great to have him back for depth in the secondary. 

Pretty crazy how they usually stick A DB back there to make the sure handed catches lol.

11 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Doesn't Bolles have some serious off feild problems though?

Not sure. Never heard anything negative.

I know this is a trade down scenario thread and what I like is this is a draft deep on defense but seriously lacking on offense especially at the OT spot and I'm thinking a guy like Garrett Bolles could lock down our RT position for the next 5 yrs and he.aint getting past Denv imo and getting an interior guy in the 5th or 6th like Guillermo could help solidify the Ol.. Not really interested in a tradeback cuz it seems like we miss out.

5 hours ago, Davesta said:

I was hoping jeffy rocks 23. 32 and 23 at safeties would be cool

I like the backwards and forwards on that. Just saying ....

You know its late on Sat night let me break out my facebook

7 hours ago, purpletide said:

I think Webb can still contribute whether or not someone goes down. We could find ways to get him in as a 3rd safety, but yeah I think if someone goes down he'll easily step up and we won't be in a bad spot. I really hope we get Webb back.

I'td be great to get Webb to back up the safety position but usually  backups especially on D gotta perform on sp teams. Thats a big hangup.

48 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

I think he'd be a reliable player and a good compliment to what we already have.

If I was Ozzie, my offer to the eagles would be 

• Eagles get Ravens 3rd Round Comp Pick (99 overall)
• Ravens get Jordan Matthews + Eagles 4th Rounder (118 overall)

Seems like a win/win for both teams.

This would be a fair deal since its not a given the Ravens would be able to keep him but I don't think the Eagles would go for it I'm all for it tho.

1 hour ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I can't believe y'all like this signing more than if we got Mo. Ozzie been talking all off season about adding playmakers, instant coffee, etc. Carr is not a playmaker! This whole thread keeps repeating how great it is that he is reliable and not an injury risk. Why does that matter if this guy doesn't make plays when on the field? He has had like 2 picks over the last 3 years! At least Mo had talent and upside, Carr is old and you know exactly what you are going to get which is average. But it's cool because he will "stay on the field". That 6 mil a year could have gone to King Dunlap to fix the line and then take a corner in the draft since it's such a deep class! This and the Woodhead signing were wasted money imo. 

You can't go by a guy's pick total only and what has Claiborne done to suggest he's a playmaker. A steady corner and a good 3rd down option at RB are wasted money? Lol. Plus both contracts are easy to get out of  And then what kills me is you're willing to throw 6 mil at King Dunlap.

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

And apparently Zuttah is next on the chopping block

 

20 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

I'm sure Cleveland would be highly interested in trading with Baltimore. Lets use our 6th on a receiver instead.

54 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think the same. If the Ravens had another shut down corner like Claiborne I think the Ravens start going into elite territory on defense. I know the pass rush sucks and still needs improvement, but that secondary is dangerous. Especially if the Ravens were able to convince Webb to come back (highly unlikely but still in talks). 

A little bit of an overstatement??

5 hours ago, DaveinMtAiry said:

Thanks for the welcome.   This move goes against everything I stand for as a hardcore sports fan.  You pick a team when you are 8, you have one and only one team in each sport, and that's your team for life win or lose.  And with the Wiz, Maryland Football, Redskins etc I took plenty of shots as I stuck by my rules.  But this is different,  just can't root for anything but failure for those 2 in Ashburn.  

Ahhhh Mt Airy is Ravens country anyways. Welcome aboard. Gotta hate the Skins man. They didn't want us to have a football team.

20 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

There is also the comp picks for any of our RFA's that got tendered and might be signed elsewhere if the Ravens do not match the offers. That list includes:

RB Terrence West (3rd round)

OL: James Hurst (4th round)

S: Marqueston Huff (4th round)

WR: Michael Campanaro (7th round)

I think they also tendered DB: Jumal Rolle

Actually whoever signs those guys we get their picks. They're not comps.

2 hours ago, B-more Ravor said:

Yes, yearly average of deal initially sets the round. Then it can go up or down depending on playtime (or lack thereof) and post season honors.

Most FA signings of at least $1-1.4M yearly average "qualify".  Then canceling occurs amongst those qualifying players (regardless of whether in top 32 or not).  Then the top 32 of the remaining earn comp picks.

As far as your example goes, it would also include Woodhead and perhaps Ducasse (depending on his deal), but yes, the results you reached would be accurate for the example.  Basically, when it comes to Jefferson, a signing cancels the same round or the next closest from a lower round.  That's why if Wagner is a 3rd, they'd get the 3rd.

Thanks for the input. Really helped me understand a lot better. The cancelling process I'm gonna have to assume thats on a team by team basis whereas each individual player actually effects 2 teams (ex Jefferson- Ravens/Cards) and then it shakes out to whatever the top 32 turns out for all teams combined according to players gained and lost. Man I tell ya what a complicated process. I bolded the one section cuz I remember us not getting a comp for Tyrod where I thought we would cuz of the playing time so imo his low contract was weighed way over his playing time. Oh well.

@rossihunter2 Thanks for the replies. I think we both in the same boat trying to figger this process out lol.

7 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

Right now it all depends on whether Wagner is a 3rd or 4th. He's looking to be pretty much right on that line right now.

If he's a 3rd, then by rule, Jefferson (a 4th) cancels the lower Comp (Juszczyk, a 5th).  That would give us the 3rd for Wagner. 

If Wagner is a 4th though, then he and Jefferson cancel each other because they are the same round.

Okay lets say Guy is the only other FA we lose that ends up in the top 32 and we don't sign any other UFAs and it ends up Wagner is worth a 3rd,Juice a 5th and Guy a 6th and Jefferson ends up as a 4th would it end up with us getting a 3rd and 6th with Jefferson and Juice cancelling? To me this is what I'm getting from your answer and it makes sense and if Wagner is a 4th then we'd get the 5th and 6th I believe.

Also if you happen to know is contracts the main determination in comp picks and if it is is it the total money or the money per year? Thanks.

Its funny how the NFL has never come out ans said "Alright this is how it works"

Last year for instance we lost Schaub,Upshaw and Osemele and gained Weddle and Watson which as we all know in the end netted us a 3rd for Osemele. As of now we've lost Ducasse,Wagener and Juice and have netted Woodhead and Jefferson probally leaving us with Wagner as a 3rd or 4th comp. I know a lot is dependent on contracts but here confusion sets in with me at so to keep it simple lets also say we lose Guy as our only other FA lost and don't sign another UFA. Lets also just say Guy gets a 2 yr 5 mil deal. Okay so would Jefferson cancel Guy(lower contract) or Juice. Regardless we would be 4 lost to 2 gained therefore do we get a 4(Wagner) and a 5(Juice) or a 4(Wagner) and a 6(Guy). What needs to be really known is do they match up contracts or take your highest 2 to give you comps.

Now just to get back to 2016 for a minute. We know Osemele blew away everybody elses contract but both Weddle's and Watson's contracts were well above Upshaw and Schaub's but yet these were the ones cancelled.

3 hours ago, K-Dog said:

See my avatar?
I am a Webb fan.  All three members of my family have two RAVENS jerseys.  Lewis and Webb.

Most of you know why we all are such RAVENS fans.

Click here to see why.
 

Having met him a few times after that initial meeting, he was always super cool and classy.  Good to my kid.  Good to my wife.  Good to his fans.  
He fought hard he played hard.  He is what it means to be a RAVEN.
He will always be one of my favorite RAVENS. 

 

Great post man.

Had some great years here.

33 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Levine is also coming back.

 

That's a good under the radar signing.

3 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Don't worry.  I'll give you my number so we can keep in touch.

Bet you that area code starts off 555 lol

4 minutes ago, berad said:

He also mentioned that in his presser.

His hometown outside of Milwaukee is about a 6 hour drive, or a 1 hour flight from Detroit. Not as close as Chicago would have been, but I guess he can afford it now.

Its just that I think these facts are overlooked sometimes. Theres life and family involved in decisions

33 minutes ago, Admin 3 said:

"We" being the Ravens front office. And we have reviewed, will continue to review and appreciate every comment posted here. However, the plan is still to sunset the boards.

Does it cost a lot of money or something to keep a message board? Lot of people don't use social media. Don't understand why anybody wants their lifestory out in public. Lots of people here that I respect their opinion. Now I might never hear from them again.

Maybe Wagner just wanted to go back home. Notice how quick he signed.