Willbacker

40 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I said it was over 2 yrs. I wasn't referring to you. Sorry, I should of said that. I was referring to everybody talking about cap hell. Saying things like we can't sign our own players for next 4 years. referring to all comments.

Yeah you quoted my post lol.

18 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

That is wrong. His cap hit is over next 2 yrs. what is this talk we couldn't resign players drafted last yr and this draft? I never said there wouldn't be problems if Joe was traded. It would take terrific drafts next couple drafts. And would have to get something significant for Flacco in return. Which really isn't very likely.

Ravens are not trading Flacco. Even if he is terrible. Management is more likely to draft a QB round1 if Joe is terrible. And sit Joe.  Really tough to know what exactly management would do. With some good drafts and a significant return it could trade him. But not likely. Because if he plays terrible nobody is giving up anything significant for Joe Flacco

Best scenario is putting a line and weapons around Joe to succeed. But be careful of bashing ideas to trade Joe. Because if he is terrible the ravens will be looking for a QB in round1 and trading significant picks to move up for a QB. I personally think Joe could be a top10 QB. But have to put a good line in front of him. He can play well with functional WR's. But he needs his time. He isn't lightning triggered reading defenses like Brady Bree's Rivers and Matt Ryan. 

 

Did you understand anything in my post. I said the cap hit is over 2 yrs( 2017 and 2018). I said nothing about not being able to resign players from this and last yrs draft. What are you talking about???

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Barnett does a lot of things really well but my issue with him is his explosiveness. I really wonder how effective he will be in the NFL as a pro because I see a guy who is just really good at timing the snap but when I saw him focusing on rushing the passer I felt like he was slow to get off if he couldn't time the snap well. I really see a guy who reminds me a lot of Upshaw here in Barnett in terms of explosion off the ball. Obviously he's not Upshaw at all just in that way he reminds me of him

Yeah the thing with Harris is his how well he does things besides his patented moves to rush the passer. I feel like he's a guy who could be mentally shutdown by a good LT who beats him early and takes him out of the rest of the game. And yeah Lawson would be in contention as the #2 OLB if he wasn't injured so much. I just worry about that guy because those injuries in college are a big red flag. Will these continue as a pro?  And your opinion on Barnett is very similar to mine. I think he'd be a good SAM but this team needs a RUSH LB who can really explode off the ball. 

Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect 

I am most concerned about whether Barnett can consistently apply pressure on the QB because I don't see the explosion necessary to be an effective #1 OLB for a team. I like Barnett but I want to see him explode off the ball but he just times the snap well but that won't work as a pro. Harris has his issues but he explodes off the ball but his hips are a bit eh with his bend and Lawson explodes and has decent bend but he has an injury history as long as my arm. We don't need more guys who can't be available for games. 

I think my favorite OLB for us are Ryan Anderson and Derek Rivers, but I really do like TJ Watt but injuries and explosion issues are there, too. 

Yeah I've heard about the Lawson injury problem but the talent sure is there. Is he ok now?

Also totally agree with you bout Anderson.

On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 11:38 AM, Willbacker said:

I'm probally the only one that thinks Ryan Anderson is the better edge coming out of Bama.

On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 3:50 AM, RaineV1 said:

Since this is said right after "Unsportsmanlike conduct will now be called if you commit multiple fouls during the same down designed to manipulate the game clock. " I think it's purely about stopping the offense from committing penalties on purpose to run out the time. Basically what we did against Cincy.

Damn we gonna be up there with the Patriots soon on getting rules changed cuz of us.

20 hours ago, JO_75 said:

The Dolphins make 2 roster moves.....

- They release DE/OLB Dion Jordan

- They have signed recently suspended S TJ McDonald. McDonald will serve a 8 game suspension to start 2017.

Crazy that you can sign a suspended player. Really should be against the rules.

5 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Well, in Las Vegas' case, the city lives on tourism. If they actually use that stadium for more than just football and it manages to draw in tourists year round, it could turn out to be a sound investment.

Spot on.

3 hours ago, Nightman said:

Art was forced to leave the name, colors and history behind as part of an out of court settlement with the City of Cleveland, so they wouldn't sue him over the last year of the lease there.

I wouldn't say forced. Balt fans didn't want the name. Remember.

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He is a career average player. But going into season 10. Even great cornerbacks slow down going into season 10. Claiborne was beginning to play to his draft status. He has injury history but to upside is elite. If he could finally shake the injury bug. We could be getting a $16million a year cornerback and defensive playmaker at cheaper rate. Because of his injuries.

A playmaking cornerback would put an exclamation point on a dominant secondary. A real playmaking cornerback.  That in turn would allow exotic blitzes by the front 7

Well you have to ask yourself why he only got a 1 yr 5 mil contract. I'm sure its not cuz he's betting on himself. Basically you can compare this to stock options. You can either have the steady eddie or the the stock that can fluctuate violently. We already have one injury prone CB......... just saying. Ever watch Darrel Green play? Dude played 20 yrs.

I also believe you giving Claiborne too much credit with this playmaking cornerback stuff. Not saying he cant be but he has yet to prove it and he's been in the league 6 yrs. Carr has shown it year in and year and he's been a starter since day 1.

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

No it isn't, you're right - and on tape Barnett looks like the far superior player in bend, instincts, setting up rushes, hand fighting, using his speed etc.

harris looks slightly more explosive off the snap but doesn't do anything with that vs barnett

What I never see mentioned is his awesome ability to change direction to get back to cover screens and make plays on misdirection. I think its 2nd to none. His get off is what worries me and against NFL tackles..... but what I've seen he's got good hand technique to get off of blockers but is this enough. I just don't see elite but maybe a steady 8-10 sack guy which is still very good and worth 16. Oh btw I'm talking bout Barnett.

Been hearing a lot about Charles Harris and Carl Lawson. Watched Harris tapes against Vandy and WVa and Lawson against LSU and Lawson is by far way better. While Harris got a great knife move to the inside other than that I don't even want him. Terrible at setting the edge against the run, pursuit was horrible and if his 1st initial move didn't work he was stonewalled. Just didn't seem to have the motor Lawson does. Lawson looked like 1st rd talent hands down and if he's there in the 2nd Ozzie needs to run the 4.3,do a 11 ft broad jump and vertical onto the podium.  

Its really a mucking up process. A lot of these players the Ravens have no interest in but of course some there are. You just want to keep your interests covered. Right now its full out "lying season".

47 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I disagree. A team full of average players means 8-8. The average player isn't taking you anywhere. Like Cal Ripken later in his career. Played every game but batted .250. A great player give me 10 games and the playoffs and that is more than the average guy can give in 150 games. Take into account an average cornerback going into season 10.  Playing every game isn't helping the team if he is getting beat like drums.

Claiborne least gives you the opportunity for a difference maker. No surprise great players with an injury history are consistently drafted before average players. Denver took a chance on Peyton Manning as opposed to an average or below average quarterback. That isn't helping any

Carr does not get beat like drums lol. Teams targeted Claiborne more for good reason. His players were open..

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he doesnt understand, guaranteed money is guaranteed. you take a post june first and lower the dead cap for this year only, and were still well over the 2017 cap and completely crippled in 2018 when the rest of that 47m gets added.

Believe it or not we'd actually gain 6 mil for 2017 since Joe counts 24.5 against the cap this year but then we'd have to take the full hit of the rest of the guaranteed in 2018 which would give us a dead money total of 28,750 mil just for him. Not working lol

8 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger Aaron Murray. Two QBs I think could excel if surrounded by a dominant line and functional weapons. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order. As well as a really good draft.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

This absolutely cannot be manageable just look above and then no way can we put 5th yr option on Mosley or resign anybody from that draft class or expiring veteran contracts plus the guys we signed this year like Williams and Jefferson for example their cap hits are gonna raise somewhere between 3-5 mil next year for each plus their uncuttable unless we want to shatter the record for dead money. Also we'd have to make other cuts which will add to dead money just to stay under the cap.

Now lets say if we did cut Joe in 2019 we should have the most cap space ever but history shows you cant build a team just thru free agency so in other words we would suck for 4 yrs cuz it takes time to rebuild. So imo its way better to keep Joe and compete. He's cuttable after 3 yrs!!

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ah, so you have proven once and for all, with cold hard numbers, that you have no clue what youre talking about. his dead cap figure is 47m, cold hard fact, no way around it. im curious as to where you got 18.5m? 

and to answer the question...

our current top 51cap is: 143.5m  

the NFL salary cap is: 167m 

after accounting for rollover and dead cap, this leave the ravens with: 10.9m 

joe flaccos dead cap on a trade would be: 47m 

cap figure after trading joe: 190.5m(top 51) 

how far over the cap are we?: 23.5m 

that number is not manageable.

He's factoring in a post June 1st cap hit which would be 18.5 mil with a 6 mil cap savings. He just forgetting to tell you of the 29 mil cap hit that's left for future years which I'm not sure how that would be divvied up but it would cripple us for sure.

8 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Forget that. He's gonna bring the single season rushing record in 12 games. Average 200+ yards on the ground. Break LTs single season TD record, and then break Marshall faulk career high in receiving yards

There you go. Dream big bro. !,000?? That's a given. Now if you want to add the receiving..... 2,000 for sure and MVP honors. Heck he's gonna be Beyoncé's 5th husband.

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Hope your right, but that seems very unlikely

Well we want to run the ball more and what I seen at the end of the season he's more than capable imo. It's breakout

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Over 1k yards in 12 games?

Yes!

Dixon is gonna come back and get over a thousand rushing.

In fact we gonna need quite a few of our 2/3 guys to have breakout seasons or we finishing behind Clev .

44 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

If you're looking back for the ball its already not PI.

So.... youre making a non-penalty a 15 yd penalty now?

You're right if you don't bump the player like I said earlier but it gets called if you bump a player (before the ball arrives) even if the defender is making a play on the ball and this should not or never ever be a spot foul. And yes this happens so like Tru11 says maybe PI should be reviewable cuz I really hate seeing 60 yd penalties like that. Only spot fouls should be pushoffs and tackling and not looking for the ball.

8 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

How do you define "playing the ball?"

Is it moving your arm in the direction of the ball? Is it looking back for it?

Youre talking about the league and refs that cant figure out what a catch is. And you think itd be fairly easy for them to decide what intent looks like consistently?

This. If refs cant see this they need to retire.

13 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

There are times it's not called just like anything else... but accidental contact is called all the time. 

You see CBs just accidentally get their feet tied up with the WR while running and it gets called PI. 

 

I just think forcing a ref to determine if the contact interferes, and then determine if that contact was done with intent or not is just muddying the waters unnecessarily. 

 

I just dont see justification for a rule that says - yes we have deemed the defenders actions took away your 80 yd play... so we're going to "reward" you 15 yds!! 

Then theres also the issue of -- if you make a distinction between intent and no intent, you have to clearly define in the rule book what constitutes intent. 

 

So how do you define intent? What does that look like?

There's a lot of times this also doesn't get called.

To clarify the non intentional/intentional foul is if a guy is at all playing the ball and I don't care if its for a split second at the end then this should be non intentional and I'm talking about 1 on 1 matchups here. How many times have we seen both players playing the ball and still see a 60 yd penalty assessed cuz the defender bumps him a little before the ball arrives. Its ridiculous and it happens more than it should and its still on the referee to "determine" this. Intentional is a guy not playing the ball at all. How many times have we heard announcers say "Well he had to foul to prevent a TD" and pretty much consider this a good play. Tbh its still not fair to the offense since they should have the TD but its an obvious spot foul. In other words this is a good way to teach the defender to play the ball and this would be taught big time by coaches. So it should be fairly easy to determine. Playing the ball (whether you're fouling the guy intentionally or not) 15 yds. Not playing spot the ball.

Def holding should also be 10 yds instead of 5 yds imo cuz this interferes with big plays too.

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Agreed. Not a fan of a 60 man roster unless other things change to accommodate it. The cap would have to increase to be able to have a few additional "playmakers".  Without a sizable cap increase, the additional players would be the same developmental players that already exist on the PS.

In addition, I feel they will need to increase the number of players that are allowed to dress on game day. What's the sense in having additional players if only 45 dress and they can't play in the games. 

Touching on your last paragraph is something that has always disturbed me. I believe 53 players should play like is allotted to your game day roster. First of all inactivating any players that are healthy just seems wrong in my book. So to make the 53 work to me practice squads need to be expanded to 15 players and basically be used as a shuttle system with the deadline for alerting the NFL be on a Weds 4:PM EST or whatever time they come up with. Now the stickler may be someone gets injured between then and gametime well tough cookies you playing with 52. Its gotta be cut and dry.

54 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I would like to see the NFL pass interference rules changed to like how the colleges rules are implemented. 15 yards and a first down sounds good to me.

Really like this idea but I'd like to see 2 different versions with an incidental and a nonincidental with the nonincidental being the 15.

What I like about this mock is that it is extremely realistic and each player imo would not slide to your next pick.

Personally I might have went offense 1st but the way covered it works by getting an interior lineman and a tackle and you could easily substitute Feeney if Elflein not available. Both could move to center. Bisnowaty would add to a very interesting battle at RT in the offseason.

Watt seems to be rising lately and imo he's gonna get better and at one time I would have said this is a major reach but I don't now. I really like the idea of Suggs,Judon and Watt out on the field in pass situations. I think his pass coverage abilities need work.

The pick I really like is the Ford pick cuz it seems like he's really fallen off the face of the earth. I've kicked back and have watched some Va Tech games and this dude was always making plays. Great route runner with extremely great balance especially on the sidelines making 2 FT CATCHES where you don't even have to do this in college! 

The King pick I'm a little squirrely on but I have to admit I don't know much about the guy except that he's pretty much slotted here but does he have enough speed to cover on the outside and how is his balance and change of direction ability. Have not seen tape and I don't recall watching any Iowa games. I know I'd be neglecting the secondary but I'd like to see a guy like Anzalone here a guy that can play ILB or SLB and has excellent coverage ability handling TE's and RB's in coverage and has beautiful form in wrapping up.

Also like the Gallman pick. He's been a workhorse but I just don't think he's gonna be there but he might. Lot of good talent at RB.

The 6th rd is the only one you didn't do and that is a high pick in that rd cuz of the Zuttah trade in which we flip flopped 6ths with San Fran. Possibly a CB especially with my scenario or possibly a dlineman. Try to get back. Its only 1 player lol.

Best mock I've seen so far. Sign me up.

10 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

The fact that no one else jumped on that wagon in 7 hours gives me much hope for the fanbase

Lot less traffic in the offseason but the kicker is why not give him a looksee for a cheap short term deal like a 1 yr 1 mil deal especially if these trade rumors bout Jernigan are real and does happen. He wont count against the comp formula and I'm not fully invested into our other dlinemen cuz they've either done nothing or have barely seen the field if at all. We need bodies there and when he was here he was a passrushing threat no different than Jernigan.

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yeah, basically. Like, our 3rd and Jernigan to go up like ten spots. Or something along those lines. The problem is, either Jernigan under performs again and others don't want him, or he does well in his contract year and we can't afford him. It seems like a lose lose situation. Also we got some other young d-linemen recently and could get another in this draft, so I don't think we lose that much by using him in a trade.

I hear ya I just don't like the deal cuz we don't gain a draft pick. Right now I'd rather just gain a 3rd which I think would be his ceiling right now.

On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 2:00 PM, gtalk12 said:

 

Couldn't we make the argument we should have nabbed both of them?

You could but remember we traded back twice so instdaed of getting Jack or Spence with the picks we ended up getting turned into Correa, Dixon and Judon. That's just the slots we obtained so therefore to also obtain Judon you would've had to draft him in a different slot so to cut a long story short we would lose 2 players in our draft if we would've stayed put and drafted Spence.