Willbacker

On the oline I'd rather see Yanda move to RT than Lewis if need to be. Taliaferro to FB is also interesting and I believe our best candidate since I sure as heck don't want to draft one and Waller to WR since we have no redzone targets out there and I can see mismatches.

To be able to ball out,be clutch and be the mother of all bombs.

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've made peace with us taking taco and him being a total bust. 

I think it's inevitable

That's sad.

40 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Taco charlton is the pick I wouldn't be able to get behind - as much as I would dislike a forest lamp or john Ross or marlon Humphrey, I could talk myself into them

that is simply not the case for taco - i'd really struggle not to despise that pick

Is this becuz he's not a fit for the Ravens or is he not worthy of being a 1st rd pick for a 4-3 team also?

3 hours ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Why the hate for Harris?  Whil he's not great in the run game when he just pins his ears back and rushes the QB he's for sure one of the best. He has a great first step and decent bend and hand fighting skill, but his spin move is amazing.  

 

Behind Garrett and Barnett I'd say he's the third bust pure pass rusher. 

 

 

This tape shows it if he doesn't get by with his initial move he's done.

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would agree with that. But I don't see any LSU guys worth taking at 16, I'd make an argument for tredavious white but I wouldn't make that call.

I would love to have Tre White on this team but with the addition of Carr I truly believe we wont take a CB at 16 but he's worth it.

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I don't like Harris either, but everytime I watch Taco he's struggling to get off blocks

Did you watch the youtube link? You might get a different opinion. It was the bowl game they played against FSU. Also watched an Ohio St youtube and he looked solid. There was times he was soundly blocked but even then he was driving the guy back. I do think he is mainly a hands in the dirt and not a standup guy especially when I seen no coverage out of him at all except peeling off on a RB in the flat.

43 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Taco Charlton is my go-to for this. i think the first is way to high for a player that struggles to get off blocks. Just because the guy is athletic doesn't mean he can play EDGE, I hear people constantly putting him at EDGE based on his size and athleticism, but when has he shown the ability to play standing up? A front 7 player that can't get off blocks and doesn't have many pass rush moves is the kiss of death. I'm not touching him with a 10 foot pole in the first.

 I can buy your argument bout whether he's a good standup player but its absolutely not fair to say Taco cant get off of blocks. He'd be a great pickup for a 4-3 team like the Lions. You want a player that cant get off blocks take a close look at Charles Harris. Good initial move but then gets stonewalled if it doesn't work and is horrible at setting the edge. Harris is my upset pick at 16 or even 47,74 or 78.

https://youtu.be/k9ZoN63ekR0

Its the soul that departs your body. Your organs don't. Very touching article since I remember Reuland but missed any news of his death and the great Rod Carew.

Prayers to the whole Heap family.

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I like this kid as a late round guy, raw obviously

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/chad-williams?id=2558208

 

 

 

Remember Chad Williams the safety we used to have?

1 hour ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What is boardhost?

Look 3 posts above yours

19 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We need another Hawaiian, cause after Ngata left, we started sucking! 

Can always look for one at Uncles in Fallston! http://www.eatatuncles.com/
 

Are you the owner lol?

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Cowboys would only trade him for a round1 pick. It knows what it has there and will eventually get his recognition as one of the best offensive lineman in the game. It would only trade him because money thrown in the line already with Travis,Tyron and zack Martin. And feels it has a great nucleus. And would take the pick to fill voids elsewhere on their roster like cornerbacks and safety.

My family and friends laughed as well when I brought it up. But aren't laughing after watching some of his clips. Yet it is an outside the box move. And he would require a contract. That part is bad. But if he Plays like one of the best overall lineman and players in the league then it is a good decision. At least I think it is. It is all personal preference.

They lost a guard and a RT and Collins could fill either spot plus that still leaves one opening and the Boys are contenders this to me is why a trade isn't happening.

16 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

no i did mean floor - i think he is the safest of all of the 3 but i see davis as having an equally high ceiling if not higher

Ok so you meant as safest which I believe also. Pretty funny how they just now ran an article on him in the news section.

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Danny is a real, real good player. But, he's getting up there in age and is coming off a serious injury. Even when young, he couldn't do what McCaffery can do.If people would take a minute and seriously compare Christian to the other choices, they will find he carries more worth. He will be immediately successful in the NFL . He has the " it "  factor, a complexity of greatness.

Are you suggesting we take McCaffrey with the 16th pick? Might not be crazy since his stock seems to be seriously rising and he could also help out on spteams but it just doesn't seem that would be a Ravens move plus I see him more as a specialty player not a featured back.

26 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

For late round/UDFA QBs, I really like Zach Terrell. I think he has all the makings of a good career backup that can keep an offense going if the starter goes down. He seems to understand what he can and can't do very well, and doesn't make mistakes. He had a 70% completion rate, and 33 TDs to only 4 ints. Part of that was helped by having Davis to throw to, but still, he did a great job.

So this is the QB that threw to Davis. Do you know of any good footage to look at. Want to look more at Davis also. Already checked out the Wisc game.

Have you checked out Gustafson from Montana at all?

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

williams is a playmaker who understands leverage better than anyone else in the class which is how he makes deep plays without long speed - but i disagree about him having the best hands of the 3 - that title has to go to corey davis who despite the occasional concentration drop high points the ball and hands-catches those beauties all over the field - williams is more of a leverage catcher (to be nice - a lot of the time he is a body catcher or has to double catch - obviously there is the problem of competition and contested catches etc. but as a pure catcher davis has easily the best hands of the 3)

williams is a potential game-wrecker because his skillset and success in college was never predicated on just being bigger - it was about using his size and leverage which will serve him well at the next level - he has by far the highest floor of any of the 3

davis runs beautiful routes - i know joey specifically says its easier to work in space, but the creative way he works in the space he's given and how he runs his stems is actually a delight to watch on film - its the little head fakes, false steps, hip flips that he does on every route no matter how far off the coverage which is something that makes me think it will translate well to the next level as long as he can deal with press-man - because when he has space to run routes it's crazy how he could sell his fakes etc.

ross is obviously a guy who is twitchy when he runs his routes and has the obvious deep speed advantage of the other two, but with the knee injuries and the unspectacular work in the short/intermediate range - this is not to say that he doesnt make plays there but he isnt a fast breaking route runner - he's a guy who makes separation through blazing speed and gets YAC if he's led by the qb - in terms of the ravens I just  dont see the fit because flacco has never been a consistently leading qb and the ravens have two speedsters on the roster (not to say all quick guys are the same) but the ravens really miss the skillsets of the other two of the big 3 than they do for ross - and the injuries do worry me given that 2 of our 4 receivers on the roster have had injury problems causing them to miss significant time

with regards to the 3rd round isaiah ford i think will be available in the 3rd but unless cooper kupp is actually there i dont see a wr who will be BPA there if any of the corners fall (which i expect a couple of them will)

Did you mean highest ceiling lol. Thanks for your opinion on Davis.

I know this is a John Ross thread but just to have fun who do you like better between Williams/Davis for us. As of now I like Williams. And what if Barnett is there?

@PurpleHorseman Gotta give you credit man you definitely think out of the box. I believe Lawson asnd Williams will be drafted before the 47th pick plus Juju should go in the 2nd.

Now with Collins why in the world would the Cowboys even trade. He's very affordable this year and if need to be could stick a 1st rd tender on him the following which would also be our options but yet with a 1st rd pick we could have our player for 5 yrs at an affordable price especially with the way we operate. Now with Olinemen in this draft it would be great if we could trade back but theres 5 linemen that wont be available with our 2nd pick imo. Robinson,Lamp,Bolles,Ramcyk and Feeney. All 5 of these guys could all start for us right now.

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Weighing in drafting a qb late. 

I haven't been against the idea, I still think mallett in a scenario where we need him to step in for a month and go .500 would let us down, last year I said trevone Boykin or dak Prescott in the 5th could be a move that pays off, but I definitely prefer having Judon. 

I also know that joes time could be over within 4 years, it's unlikely unless he starts getting hurt a lot, but it's possible. And if he doesn't get his footwork together and continues to regress then having a guy waiting in the wings could pay off as well, however, I think it's a much better move to continue building around joe, and chad Kelly is a diva, the stuff with the girl is way overblown but he's still a diva and he's inconsistent as hell, he just isn't the qb I would spend a late pick on. Now if Davis Webb were to fall to the 5th then sign me up, at that point I'd be ok with joe just finishing out his deal here unless he's willing to take an extension that an older player typically gets

Just funny how you mentioned Boykin and Dak in the same sentence.

Kelly is an intriguing option. His mobility is underrated and he's got a very good arm plus his bloodlines but with his diva attitude totally reminds me of Cutler. I'd only take him as a UDFA but he'd probally become a circus sideshow.

What do you think of Brady Gustafson from Montana?

38 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

not only do the bills need another good receiver, they also need a reliable one because of how injury-prone watkins is so I'm not so sure about ross for them

for me i think the value is going to be better in the 1st and 2nd rounds at receiver and much more likely to have quality corners drop to the 3rd

Well spent the last half hour studying the big 3. Williams against Alabama and Auburn. Davis against Wisconsin and Ross against Colorado and Oregon.

Ross by far best RAC but against stiff corner competition against Colorado had major problems getting open on anything downfield and dropped more passes than what I like. Oregon was like a highlight reel but this guy has got playmaker written all over him plus he has return ability.

Williams to me had the best hands and can body off a defender especially on slants. Like his size and seems to have enough speed. Lack of separation could be a problem but without a doubt can definitely win a contest going for the ball. I know a lot of people don't consider this important but seems to have no interest in run blocking. Of course coaches can correct this. Routes need to be more crisp.

Davis I probally need to see more but he was finding ways to get open against Wisconsin. I watched a few Wisconsin games and their secondary was by far the weakest part of their D. Just worried bout the small school status even tho I know I can have Antonio Brown thrown in my face all day.

For me Williams is my only interest since Ross to me is not a chain mover and I don't trust Davis. What do you think of Davis??

As to the Bills they definitely going WR imo (so this really means they'll take Ryan Ramcyk lol). Other teams could be the Titans,Saints,Bengals and Eagles.

While I also believe quality corners will fall to the 3rd so will receivers. Isaih Ford I'm really high on (Va Tech is my favorite ACC team) and Kupp seems to be freefalling down just to name a couple.

11 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Nope - I've never said anything about attacking the ball beyond mentioning that he doesn't high point often - I'm the guy who doesn't like the fit rather than the player - I'd be fine if he goes and plays excellently for another team and don't see why he shouldn't but I think he's not the right "complementary" fit with the Ravens

and even if I do change my opinion (which sometimes happens) I don't do it on a whim, I do it because I've watched more film or look out for new things on film - john Ross, however, is someone I have staunchly been against for us in the 1st round since the beginning - I think the highest I'd mocked him pre-combine was at 28 to Dallas and I still never mock him ahead of Tennessee at 18 - Ross is in fact one of the few prospects I haven't changed my mind about throughout the process

I'm thinking the Bills might  select him. Already got their stud In Watkins so why not get a field stretcher which would open up things even more. Tyrod has got cannon for an arm.

Personally I'd wait till the 3rd to get a receiver. The pool will still be deep there.

20 hours ago, The Raven said:

 

Considering thats what happened this past season, yes. Neither of them were ever a significant threat in passing situations. They might have gotten doubled a lot in the run game in the first 12 games (lord knows they didn't in the last four), but neither pulled doubles in passing situations. It's a fact that they were not threats in the pass rush. They didn't get pressure, sacks, or double teams. Do you think they actually were threats?

If they actually collapsed the pocket regularly, I'd consider that pass rush, but the notion that they regularly collapsed the pocket is what's really "complete bull." Both of Pierce's sacks were hustle plays. They were coverage sacks. 

If you pay attention, it's rare for defensive linemen to pull doubles in passing situations. They might get chipped, but unless you really deserve to be TRULY doubled, you won't be.

You wasn't getting my main point which was slicing the gap and collapsing the pocket are both effective passrushes. You said one was more effective. Williams was constantly collapsing the pocket at the beginning of games while being double teamed. Not sure what you looking at. I seen it a bunch of times. I brought up the other quote cuz that was the main problem with Williams and I hate to say this about an 11 mil dollar player but maybe less snaps would help with Pierce filling in at the 1 earlier in the game instead of having both on the field for multiple snaps. Nice for the run game. Bad for the pass game. Slimming down may be the plan cuz for 11 mil a year I want him on the field. We'll see what type of weight he comes in at training camp.

20 hours ago, The Raven said:

He has Warren Sapp type potential if he gets more athleticism and stamina.

The stamina is killer, too. He simply doesn't have a lot of it.

6 hours ago, The Raven said:

This isn't wrong in theory, I guess, but in pass rushing situations, you only "eat blocks" if you actually pose a threat as a pass rusher. Jernigan, contrary to popular belief, was doubled a lot in passing scenarios. Pierce, however, was not. Eating blocks does not happen in passing situations unless you require a double team.

As far as the pass rush goes, gap shooters are far more impactful than "block eaters." The "block eater" types are just fat guys that rarely sniff the QB. You can usually find them stood up by the center at the LOS as the QB is entering his fifth second without pressure. See: Cody, Terrence; Ngata, Haloti; Williams, Brandon..

TL;DR? Gap shooters get pressure. Block eaters don't. Pressure requires athleticism. If you don't get pressure, you won't get doubled, and if you aren't eating blocks, are you even actually a block eater?

The whole concept of sending fat guys out there for the sole purpose of clogging space is so damn outdated and obsolete. 

Jernigan had a lot more chances at rushing the passer and when he was getting doubled it was playing 1 tech which if Pierce was in it'd be the same deal. And also saying "block eaters" don't get as much pressure as gap shooters is complete bull. Pocket collapsing is not pressure?? Really depends on the situation. Block eaters frees up blitzers while gap penetrating does work better with 4 man rushes. But cmon lets not make it that cut and dry. Pierce had 2 sacks to Jernigans 5 in way less oppurtunities.

Now the bolded part gets me. Do you really think either Pierce or Williams are not a threat if they only get one on one blocking. Seriously??

59 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

What am I even reading here?

Dr Seuss.