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I'd rather pick my team but I wouldn't be too upset with a random team

You still get to pick your team if it happens.  We're hopefully just randomizing an order and then we "draft" a team of our choosing of whatever is left.

In your dreams buddy... I just did the order with the random  # generator........

 

 

I'll see if it passes(I'll do it again if not). 

 

 

Number One is a guy who always gets #1 (LOL). 

Always randomize 5 times.  It's an unwritten rule to randomizers lol.

As a member of the CoCo I will weigh the pros and cons.

 

Pros to Random Number Generator. 

 

Everyone gets a team and is not allowed to complain. 

No one misses a deadline based on time zone. 

Everyone gets a choice

 

Cons. 

Someone may end up with a team they hate. 

 

 

This happens either way, so while I am for the original way, I wouldn't be opposed to random number..... I even patterned out a sequence I think is fair. 

As you said, the con list is the same you'll have with first come first serve.  I think a random makes the most sense.

If we are doing the randomized order of draft why does a start time even matter? It will be just like drafting players. I say we just start it whenever and get this show on the road.

They're still discussing whether we're doing first come first serve or a randomized draft.

Sunday then? I know it's impossible to get a time where 32 can agree, but Friday or Saturday evening is generally a worse time and we can't do it too late because of TZ issues.

I just think any time you do  midday on a weekend, you eliminate a lot of people.  I know I spend pretty much all weekend doing the stuff I wish I could do during the week, and I'm sure a lot of other people are the same.

That's primarily why I proposed the random order.  We're never going to get 32 people at the same time, so why not give everyone an equal shot?  That's just my opinion.

It looks like we are going to be doing team selection on Saturday 1PM EST guys. 

 

That way all of our European friends can take part.

Personally, I think that's a really bad time.  I know I won't be home midday on a Saturday.  I assume a lot of other people will be in the same boat.

That's what I was thinking. That would make things easier, nobody would have to PM me with numbers. If everyone is alright with that, I can get it over with now and post the order we pick teams.

Whatever works.  I'm not picky.  We just have to make sure most people are alright with this randomized team draft.

I wouldn't mind a so called "draft" to pick teams. I'm also for our method we have used in the past but feel that is more about who can type out their team fast enough to get the team they want. Just maybe a draft order can be used, and we each pick a number and then use a random number site to generate the draft order. 

 

I can run the random number generator myself and be the one in charge of that.

 

On one of the random number services, I can do a Number sequence with no repeats where it will give me a random order that uses all 32 numbers. Once I have a number for everyone, I can type in the min and max as 1 and 32, it will give me a sequence and a random order between 1-32.

 

Then I can post it and we'll know when we pick teams.

I'm for it.  I won't be mad either way.  I'm just here to have fun.  Whether I get the Cowboys or a great team, I'll do my best to build a formidable squad.  I just thought randomizing things gives everyone a fair chance.

I do too. First come first serve worked for us before, why go away from something that is working.

Just throwing out other possibilities. It already seems some people are going to be unhappy with first come, first serve since they won't be available. Just thinking we could leave it up to chance. I really don't care what method, though. I'm willing to work with whatever team, hopefully not the Cowboys though lol.

Or we could randomly generate the order, so its still equally fair but you get to pick a team that you want instead of having one assigned.

That could work as well.  First come, first serve just leaves too many people out in my opinion.  It might be easier on all of the coco as well.

It is going to be difficult to find a time that all 32 of us find fit, some people are just going to have to improvise. I am fine with whenever though... just preferably ASAP, I am excited

That's why I think a random draft might be a good idea.  Everyone gets a fair shot at every team.  Obviously if some people are unavailable, they aren't going to be happy if they get stuck with a terrible team.  I think it's the fairest way possible.

That might be interesting but I'm not sure how people would react if they got a team they hated.

People are going to complain either way.  At least this way, all of us have a fair shot at the sucky teams as well as the good teams.

Just thinking out loud here, but instead of us all selecting teams, how about we just do it at random?  It might keep those who can't be available happy.

Put all of our names in random.org, hit random 5 times, and assign us whatever number.  Do the same with the teams and then the person with the corresponding number gets whatever team they land on.

I get that, but I think it hurt the team's image in the eye of players and agents when it occurs; like it or not. I believe it's also a poor business practice if it continues year after year. 

 

Is there anyone among us who don't expect a redo of Flacco's contract down the road? The structure of his contract becomes dangerously expensive in a few years and I don't see them honoring it to the end.

It's business.  There is no loyalty.  The same thing that happens in the NFL happens in the real world everyday.  People get fired from their jobs because they aren't performing up to their salary and they may be able to be replaced for cheaper.  It's life.

It's unfortunate that it happens, but it does.  Just like the NFL has a salary cap, businesses have budgets.  There's not one team exempt from needing/wanting to cut players at some point, despite what their contract says.  It's not going to make us look bad if we make that decision as long as the player knows it's strictly business.

Doesn't seem the greedy type? 

 

We had to franchise tag him twice because he was holding out for more money. I love the guy but he wants the money. Maybe he'll give us that hometown discount everyone talks about but I'm pretty sure that discount is a myth. 

But on the other hand, the market for aging pass rushers isn't that good.  We saw a lot of guys that got considerably less than what they wanted on the market last year.  Now, Suggs is better than all of those guys, but is it a smart move?  It's really hard to peg.  He could not accept the pay cut, go into FA, and get offers less than what the Ravens offered, or he could get higher offers.  He's got to evaluate the risks and see what he'd rather do.

The FA market for aging DE's last year (Osi, Freeney, Abraham, even Michael Bennett) was really slow last year and most of those guys had to settle for contracts that you would not have expected.  The lower, more slowing increasing Cap has made it more difficult for guys age 30+ to get paid like they used to. 

 

That said, yes as I said, it might be a little more rich, with more years to keep the savings roughly the same.

It will be interesting to see.  I happen to think his value is right around that contract that you suggested, but does his agent?  We know how money hungry agents can be and how more often that not, it doesn't work out.  It will definitely be interesting to see what happens since this is such a wild card negotiation.  We should have a resolution in the next month or so.

They can.

 

IMO, a reasonable extension for Suggs ($12.4M Cap number) would be to take his $7.8M base salary down to $1M and give him a $7M bonus on a 2-year extension (basically a 3-year deal).  In such case, Suggs gets $8M in 2014, which is $200K more than he would be getting under the last year of his present deal.  The $7M bonus creates a $2.33M bonus proration, which is added to the present proration of $4.6M  and the new $1M base salary, giving him a new Cap number of $7.93M.  That would be a Cap reduction of $4.47M. 

 

The new deal would likely be something like 3 years for $20M total (2015 and 2016 base salary/Cap numbers of $5M/$7.33M and $7M/$9.33M), which would also include incentives and escalators that would allow him to make more, but those would be added to future Caps.

 

It could be longer to pump up the bonus a bit, and possibly lower the 2014 Cap number even more (thus more savings).

 

Dumervil's base deal - before incentives and esalators - was 5 years/$26M or 5.2M/year.

 

The base deal I proposed for Suggs - also before incentives and escalators - would be 3 years/$20M or $6.67M/year.

 

The incentives and escalators in Suggs' deal could be structured similarly to keep the deals comparable.

The question becomes whether Suggs is willing to take that deal.  Despite his poor 2nd half last year, are Suggs and his agent willing to say he's worth $6.67M a year?  I'm not sure how quick they are to jump on a deal like that.  Even though the market for pass rushers was incredibly weak last year, I think an argument can be made that he's worth more based on his 1st half of the season and that he's only 2 years removed from being DPOY.

Suggs is a really tricky situation.  His inconsistency has made his value so hard to nail down.  Is he worth premiere (but older) pass rusher money, or is he worth purely older pass rusher money?  His value is just all over the place.

Statue?  I love Suggs, he's the last remaining link to some dirty defenses and he's the only guy who played with both Lewis and Reed in their primes left in the league but unless Suggs goes on a tear and leads the team to another Super Bowl, virtually single handedly defensively, he's not getting a statue.

He also needs to not be fat for the entire season next year.

I was more posting that for the first part, but yeah, I agree lol.  

i'd add two more years to current contract, level the money down (cap wise) as much as possible and we're all smiling happily ever after

As long as we can knock his cap number down $4-5M this year, I'd be happy.

From a WNST interview with Harbs

Harbaugh on Suggs in 2014: "Ozzie and Terrell's people will get it done..I'd like to see him finish as a Raven...and get a statue."

  

The Ravens would eat $8 million, then $7.5 million, which I think better than two straight seasons of $16 million if we can get draft picks. I'm just thinking about resigning the two Smiths

I think they can find a way to make it work without cutting/trading Ngata.  It's certainly possible that we could sign one of them to a deal that simply kicks in after 2014, with the 2014 salary staying the same.  Even if we don't, there's always ways you can work with the structure to make things work.  I don't see anyway Ngata isn't on the team in 2014, but 2015 is when it becomes questionable.

Post June 1st trade. Why is that so hard to get? We would save $8 million and eat $8 million

My bad.  I misunderstood you.  Either way, we'd still be eating that $7.5M the following year.  I just don't see it happening.

       Suggs may have pulled a disappearing act as a pass rusher, but he was pretty good in run defense throughout the entire year.

And, I never said eat $15 million in cap. I have only ever referred to post June 1st as a move to keep the Smiths next offseason

You questioned above why we don't look to trade Ngata.  If we do trade him, we eat $15M this year.  That's all I was saying.

 

 

That is correct. I just looked it up. 

We're talking about Terrell Suggs getting traded (who I think has a better chance of getting extended than Ngata), but why not look to trade Ngata? He has a higher cap hit and it would save us like the same amount of money in either scenario. It's just, at least Suggs' heart is still in it and he is playing more consistently than Ngata.

 

If we trade Ngata, the bonus accelerates and we're on the hook for $15M to not have him on the team.  The only way Ngata isn't going to be on the team next year is if they really want to designate him as a post June 1st cut for an extension for one of the Smiths.

 

 

It frees up $8 million post June 1st. I've been saying this is an option cause Jimmy Smith and Torrey Smith would be coming up in the next year and that $8 million could be rolled over to have those two signed. If the Ravens exercise Jimmy's fifth year clause, that's $8 million right there.

 

Yeah I know that.  I think too many people are looking at cutting Suggs to keep Jones or sign a big name FA.  It's not going to happen.  If we cut him, it will be the post June 1st designation and that would be used for Torrey or Jimmy only.  I still highly doubt it happens.