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    34 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

    @WNC-Raven,
    While I agree with your premise about wanting to increase value of team.. and fan base....
    But the best and main way to do that is WIN RINGS.
    Its no mistake, that a Teams value goes up after SB Wins and its Fans increase.

    So..the whole needing Choir Boys..to improve Team value is a farce.

    The Proof is in Jerry Jones. That guy is the Greatest Promotor outside Vince McMahon. And he fills hus team with questionable characters aslong as they are ALL PROs...and they are always tops in team Value..

    So Character has nothing to do team value...
    Heres what does..
    Location..Thats why Kronke moved from St Louis to LA.. Increased value by like 500mil
    Stadium.. if you have a Newer Stadium, or a MEGAPLEX like Jerry Jones..that holds Boxing,WWE,Concerts etc..more value..
    3rd..Storied Franchise..Winning Tradition...SB RINGS..

    Thats what creates Team Value.. not players character
    You can have 53 buttholes and have richest NFL Team

    Character is secondary

    I see where your coming from. It often seems like rings drive a fan base but other than the bandwagon fans, the facts just don't support it. I'm not going to list all team values across the league but here are a few examples. The most valuable team, the Cowboys havent won a SB in 20 years. For the #3 the Redskins it's been 24. #5 San Fran has been 21 years. #6 Jets have not won a SB in 47 years! Texans at #7, Bears at #8, Eagles at #9 and Packers at #10. You get the picture. The only top 10 team in value that has recently won SB's are the Patriots and Giants.

    I fully agree with your comment about location. I would say location and market size is the biggest reason for a team value.

    Nice, new stadiums help but the majority of fans watch on TV so I dont know how much that really matters other than keeping the team happy.

    Storied franchise and history do play a part but if that really mattered why would baltimore be worth more than the steelers, colts, ect..

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    1 hour ago, ravens4life86 said:

    Look I like the draft...but the people are right in "Choir boy" notion

    Harbs kicked Boldin,Pollard, and a bunch of Alpha males off the team..
    And every draft since Harbaugh been around... "Have put more emphasis on the "character" aspect of players then just being Gamechangers.

    When Ozzie drafted by himself he got Ray,Ed,Ja.Lewis,McAlister, Suggs,Ngata,Etc etc
    Not "YES MEN" Alpha Men Gamechangers

    And Now..in the Draft proccess...If Von Miller is Sitting there possibly (Noah Spence) who may have a little drug baggage..
    They would rather take a Paul Kruger developmental guys like Correa,Koufusi..
    Who wont be 2nd contract cornerstone players..because THEY ARE CHOIR BOY Yes Men.

    Thats the Harbaugh oroblem..taking lesser talent, for yes men..and character.

    Character doesnt win Wins...
    You know what does..Von Miller,

    Who's to say Biscotti didn't purposely hire Harbaugh because he wanted to change the teams identity? Isn't it more than possible the change in strategy is coming from the top? So many fans are critical of John and his no nonsense, keep your nose clean style but that is who he is and Steve knows that. This is a BIG business and I'm sure Biscotti would like to try and move his franchise up the list of most valuable teams. Only way to do that is to increase your fan base. Heck I still think of the Raiders as a rough, tough bunch of thugs because thats what they were when I was growing up.

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    12 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

    RG3 did mess up his career vs. the Ravens, but we still lost that game. Mainly due to him being able to scramble away from the rush.

    We lost that game because an unknown Kirk Cousins came in with 5 minutes to go and marched down the field for a game winning TD. Our entire game plan was designed to stop RGIII and the play action. When a pocket passer came in we werent mentally prepared and didnt have the time left to adjust. Even though it was a close game we were handling RGIII pretty well up to that point by not getting fooled too often and putting his but in the dirt. He was getting beat up long before Ngata sealed his fate.

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    2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

    And if Joe is playing from his back for the next 2-3 years because Monroe and Hurst are protecting his blind side, it doesn't matter how good a corner Jalen Ramsey is.

    He can be Darrelle Revis good, and this team won't be significantly better if the former happens.

    Lets be honest with ourselves if we're going to go down this path...some of you guys want "sexy". You're deep down not really interested in whether that pick makes this football team significantly better in the long term. You wanted "sexy". Bosa is sexy, Ramsey is sexy, and 100% of all LTs ever taken aren't. 

    You as fans have to decide what your true interests are as fans of this team. Some people want a good fantasy roster, some people want guys that are loud and aggressive, and some people want players that help us win Championships.

    In many cases, a lot of those guys aren't the same. 

    Lets revisit in about 3-5 years, when this topic is actually relevant. Though, of course, it will be all in hindsight at that point, which is the best analysis fans have.

    To add to your post, most of the upset fans are also suffering from name recognition disorder. :)

    Most fans only know the names they see on sports center or the team that they watch plus a few others. I dont even watch games and even I knew all of the most popular names by the time the draft came around. So where I have a wait and see approach, others complain because we  coulda, shoulda, woulda. They can't believe we took so and so when Spence was on the board. If Spence was that great we would have taken him. The FO obviously took the more well rounded player that could do more than just pass rush.

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    Concerning recruitment, the US Naval academy is looking for america's best and brightest. Athletes often have the same traits desirable in a military cadet. Discipline, willingness to take orders and carry them through, ability to  

    diagnose a situation quickly and react without hesitation, self respect, a sense of pride, ect....

    If you add above average intelligence and a desire to serve you have a shot at being accepted into the academy. 

    Do you really think Annapolis doesn't have to compete with other universities for these students? That at 18 an extremely intelligent and athletically skilled prospect wouldn't be more interested in going to Ohio state or wherever instead of a naval academy even though he has all the talent to be molded into a successful military officer? That's why schools recruit. To convince the prospect that they would have a better experience and life by coming to their school.

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    What I can't believe is that the draft is over and there are still people trying to guess what we should have done. It's over people. Accept it and move on with your life. I read a post on another topic saying that we would forever be remembered as the team Dallas screwed over and the team that passed on miles jack. Now it's about Tunsil? 12 other teams passed on Tunsil as well and 2 other OT were taken ahead of him. So what if Dallas didn't agree to our offer. It happens all of the time. If our guys say they wanted too much then it was too much. Jack was passed over by every single team and 4 teams passed over him twice. It can't be any more obvious that they are not as great as some posters think they are. You can talk theory all day but results are what matter and we just had 3 days of results to do the talking. The scouts and gm's know what they are doing. We do not. 

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    I completely understand the reminiscing about letting the hungry dogs hunt in the past but the game has changed. Undisaplined players are now costing teams games. Do I need to remind some of you of the complete meltdown from pacman jones and burflict last year that cost the bengals yet another playoff game. Poor character breeds poor decision making and no discipline. I think that our FO is taking us in the right direction for future success. It's kinda hard to be consistent when players are getting injured, suspended and drawing flags all season. I think the team is tired of constantly having to be reactive to new issues when he could be working on other ways to make this team better.

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    I would think that Jack is gone before we are on the clock but after the top 10 last night it could easy happen. After watching A. Brown, Kindle, Cody, ect.. who were all 2nd rounders do nothing, I would happily welcome Jack with the frame of mind that he will only play for a few years but what an amazing few years it may be. And who knows, he might end up having a long career after all. If not Jack then I would guess Ogbah comes to Baltimore

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      42 minutes ago, WNC-Raven said:

    To me we don't trade back to 15 without getting at least the #33 pick. The more desirable trade back would be with CLE. If they secretly covet a QB a want to jump in front of SF to get him we could trade back only 2 spots and possibly pick up another 2nd rounder. Or someone could try to trade with us to jump in front of both SF and CLE. Ozzie could also package one of our trade able 4th rounders with our #6 and get better value as well.

    I'm not expecting SF to target a QB at #7 now that the top two are off the board... there's the appearance of a pretty steep drop off there. 

    Also with CLE new roster building philosophy I doubt they would draft a second tier QB at 6 or 8 for that matter. I'm just speculating because anything can happen when teams are desperate on draft day.

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      16 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

    Remember Rice, Kruger, Torrey, KO, Jernigan and Maxx were all second round picks. Our future does not depend on our first round pick like many tend to obsess over. Is it important to choose a franchise type player at #6? Of course but I believe Ozzie will make some good picks and some bad but in the end I have faith that he will remind us just how good he is when picking near the top of every round and with 4 fourth rounders to boot.

    Mayock's mock draft last night was "interesting" for the Ravens.

    He had us trading back to 15 with Tennessee so they could come up and get Tunsil. He ended up having us take Josh Doctson at #15, which I disagreed with, but that's not really the point (I can't see a scenario where this organization ever takes two first round WRs in back to back years).

    He didn't go into the parameters of the trade, but obviously we would get at least a second round pick this year from Tennessee. The question becomes... which one? They pick at 33, 43 and 45. If we asked for 33, we would then have three picks in the top 36, which to me is a deal I'd be interested in.

    But what if the offer is for picks 43 or 45? Do we still like that deal. Still have three top 45 picks... good enough to move back 9 spots? The difference here is I'd say a lot of the players we'd be interested in would likely be gone. Top three tackles will surely be gone, Hargreaves is likely gone, possibly miss out on guys like Leonard Floyd or Shaq Lawson if we drop to 15 also, who I'd gladly take in that range. So it makes it difficult to see what direction we would give picking in that spot.

    I think we would certainly move back into the teens if we get a top 10 second round pick, and maybe even top half.

    If you like the draft value chart (I'm not a big fan), it says we could reasonably ask for #33 in that deal. If we were to get a pick like #45, we'd probably get a 4th or 5th rounder as well.

    To me we don't trade back to 15 without getting at least the #33 pick. The more desirable trade back would be with CLE. If they secretly covet a QB a want to jump in front of SF to get him we could trade back only 2 spots and possibly pick up another 2nd rounder. Or someone could try to trade with us to jump in front of both SF and CLE. Ozzie could also package one of our trade able 4th rounders with our #6 and get better value as well.

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    14 hours ago, Popeye the sailor man said:

    In my opinion it doesn't matter whom the Ravens pick, they all probably be injured in practice by the time the season starts, Ravens the worst team to practice for

    Relax sunshine and remember we are actually fans of this team.

    14 hours ago, Popeye the sailor man said:

    The Ravens should be looking for another franchise QB besides Joe Flacco, after Flacco been injured late last season, I'm not sure if he would ever be healthy enough to continued to play for long.

    I couldnt agree with you more. I mean, the ability to scramble and make big plays on the run are Flacco's prime skill sets. What ever will he do if he is forced to become a pocket passer? And who wouldnt worry about Joe's injury history? He spends his entire life never missing a single game. Now that he has been injured one time and forced to miss a few games he will probably never play again.

     

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    Remember Rice, Kruger, Torrey, KO, Jernigan and Maxx were all second round picks. Our future does not depend on our first round pick like many tend to obsess over. Is it important to choose a franchise type player at #6? Of course but I believe Ozzie will make some good picks and some bad but in the end I have faith that he will remind us just how good he is when picking near the top of every round and with 4 fourth rounders to boot.

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    32 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

    I don't see the desire for us to spend two first round picks in three years on MLB, a position where we are shifting towards playing only one at a time. I believe last season we are in nickel or dime packages about 60% of the time, which can easily eliminate the need for two MLBs on the field at the same time.

    Mostly just a guess on my part. Tunsil's injury history is a bit different because its sort of multiple, small injuries, as opposed to one major one with long term possibly complications. 

     

    Thank you

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    Tony Romo seems to get an awfully lot of love and recognition for a QB who, in 12 seasons, "amassed" 7 playoff games and 2 wins...

    They are the most valuable team in the NFL being "America's team" and all. All I know is the few years we have missed the playoffs recently makes the whole season feel worthless. I can't imagine being a fan of one of the many teams where that is the norm. The media can slam Flacco all they want, I love being a Ravens fan!

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      13 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

    At first I hated the idea of taking Tunsil at #6 but if Myles Jack is gone he is the next best player to take. I am not sold on Ramsey being the Superstar they are making him out to be but that could be my fear of drafting another FSU Defensive Back.. Bosa in my opinion is identical to Clowney and I just don't see him making the instant impact. I will be Happy with Tunsil, Excited for Elliot and down right screaming for JOY if we end up with Jack.

    I don't think Jack's a consideration. His knee is a gigantic concern.

    You're always very level headed so I would like to know why you think Jack's knee is a gigantic concern? It seems like all of the concern really ramped up last week when am "anonymous" GM said it was a time bomb. Before that he was being held up as a top 4 pick. Feels to me like whoever released that statement is getting exactly what they intended if having him fall was in fact their intention. Heck maybe the Ravens said it? Also I read that Tunsil was injured every single season he played in college. How would you rate the concern level between Tunsil and Jack's injury history moving forward? Both appear to have enormous upside if healthy.

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    1 hour ago, TorryGundy said:

    I really want Buckner. He can start week one for us over Guy who is not a starter in my opinion. Tunsill is starting to look good as I have no idea what Monroe is going to look like. Ramsey may be a pipe dream, I don't think he will fall to us. Hargraves is not worth the 6th pick. Bosa would be a back up for this year but will never give you what Sizzle or Doom brings , so taking him that soon might not be so good. I don't want to be Ozzie right now.

    I would bet that Ozzie and DeCosta have finished their ranking of players for the #6 pick weeks ago and will just let it play out. What has probably been keeping them working late is the rest of the draft board. Especially what they may be able to find in the 4th with all of those picks.

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    40 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

    Well, who else would you ask? Should we ask Ravens fans if he is elite? What do you think they would say?

    While I could care less about whether or not Joe is elite because I think he is better than 75% of the QB's in the league, you are exactly right. The only way to

    gauge a players status is by the opinions of his peers first and then the fans of opposing teams. Redskins fans are a good sample as they are local enough to have knowledge of him while not really caring enough to be hateful. I for instance thought RGIII was way over hyped but still wanted to see him be successful because he seemed like a good person. Big head aside :)

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      34 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

    Regardless of what you think of the drug policy, it was a stupid comment by Monroe. I am not impressed.

    agreed you'd think with him being a Prime candidate for under performing and being overpaid along with this essentially being a make or break season for him, he would avoid controversy and make waves with his play on the field.. evidently not. It just seems like everytime we talk about monroe, its either in replacing him, marijuana related, or questioning his durability.

    Hope can be a dangerous thing when you have no control but I have a lot of hope that Monroe's off season surgery will help to keep him healthy this season and we will be pleasantly surprised.

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    Here is my 2 cents. I say if Tunsil, Mack, Buckner, and Bosa are still ont he board at 6, or any combination including Tunsil. Trade #6 to the Giants for the #8 and extra picks and we still get either of the other 3 at #8.

    It's actually the Browns that pick at #8 but I still see both the Browns and Titans as likely trade partners. It would make the GM's look like genius's to receive the bounty of picks that they did and then use a couple of them to trade back up and get Tunsil or a top defensive pick.

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