WNC-Raven

  4 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

Maybe the best way to look at this is based on opposing team perception before a game. I worry more before a game against the Brady, Rodgers, Wilson games than I ever would against someone like Luck or Rivers. I never understood why people view Rivers as anything but mediocre. Have you ever worried before playing the Chargers? Me either.

Lmao.  Really?  You don't think Rivers is a good qb?  Rivers deserves more credit than he currently gets.  Look at all his "weapons."  His OL situation is basically our CB situation on a yearly basis. 

Yes really, I think Rivers is a good QB but that's about it. When I look at a future schedule and see NE, PIT, DEN, GB, ect... I put those in a possible loss column. I may see SD as a tough game but not a loss. It is only my opinion, doesn't matter to me if you agree or not. I think we have basically split most of our games with them. I understand that everyone now a days likes to use stats for EVERYTHING but I feel they are more of a tool used by people to make their point seem valid after the fact. And that's fine for some people

  1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

Not really....  Again, my post said playoffs and SB....  Yes, guys can win, but you have MANY that can't win when it matters.  Joe excels at that point.  It's my opinion...  It's not wrong..  It's just mine. 

OK, but there really are a lot of guys who win when it matters.

Brady, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Manning's, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson.

That's 25% of last years starting QBs who have all hoisted Lombardi's and have had previous success in the postseason.

And THEN, you start looking at other successful postseason QBs who haven't won a SB, like Rivers and Luck. Heck, even Kaepernick has four postseason wins. 

You're looking at 8-10 QBs in this league right now who have proven they can win consistently in the postseason. And that's just QBs... that's not even including every other position on the field.

Hence why this notion of being a "winner" isn't nearly as rare as people make it out to be.

Maybe the best way to look at this is based on opposing team perception before a game. I worry more before a game against the Brady, Rodgers, Wilson games than I ever would against someone like Luck or Rivers. I never understood why people view Rivers as anything but mediocre. Have you ever worried before playing the Chargers? Me either.

I don't see the benefit in cutting Monroe next week. I think we have something like 8 million left in cap space. I think we look pretty good at all positions except ILB. My hope and probably Ozzies is that a starting vet is released sometime between now and August. That 8 million is more than enough. I think if someone really coveted by the Ravens at any position is available then maybe they let Monroe go to sign them. Otherwise I dont see the urgency. Thoughts?

  36 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Doom isnt there. Yanda prob wont be there. Webb may not be. Daryl Smith rarely was. If Suggs wasnt rehabbing he wouldnt be. Monroe isnt cleared so he'd only be there to rehab his injury... him taking a day off from that isnt a big deal. He's a notorious hard worker -- thats not a question. This is an important issue to him, and its an honor to be asked to speak on a panel like that. Good for him. Man, with the way some of this fan base treats this guy, you'd think he failed multiple drug tests like Will Hill or Josh Gordon; or that he had multiple arrests. He's had injuries which he cant control, and he's an advocate for the medical use of marijuana instead of opiates which are very addicting and can destroy lives. If theres a safer, less damaging and just as effective alternative - - whats so wrong with getting behind that??

I SO agree with you.....Monroe only missed like 5 games or so in 5yrs with the Jag's. Sadly he has missed a lot of games with us, which I am quite sure he was not happy about either. When healthy, Monroe is quite capable of protecting Flacco and the left side. Sadly, with injuries, you just don't know when and how bad they are going to be. 

Didnt I hear that Monroe had surgery last fall to hopefully repair whatever damage he has and that after almost a full year of rest and rehab plus a little luck, he may be past being so injury prone this year?
maybe he will lock down the left side at LT while Stanley takes over at LG? I feel like a big part of the reason the Ravens chose Stanley is because of his versatility on the line. A year at LG may be beneficial to him and the team as a whole.

My hope is that Dixon has a decent year rotating in as depth and next year takes that leap into our #1 back. That's how I remember Rice coming in as a rotational player with McGahee and LeRon only to really take off the following year. If I remember correctly not many were even talking about ray rice until that second year. Oh how social media has changed the world.

  3 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

Wait and see what happens when they expand the playoffs and it becomes common to see 7-9 or 6-10 teams in the post season. That may be the moment their greed hits a tipping point and regular season games all of a sudden don't mean as much.

That's a bit of a stretch, considering they're only going to add one team on each side.

Note that in most cases where a 7-9 team makes the playoffs, its as a division winner, not as a wildcard team, and they're only looking to add one wildcard team.

If the NFL added one additional wildcard team on each side, in the last ten years, here would be the records of those teams....

11-5 - one instance

10-6 - six instances

9-7 - seven instances

8-8 - six instances

So the sweet spot range of record for adding an additional playoff team would be between an 8-10 win team. In the last ten years, 70% of the teams that finished 7th in their conference had a winning record, and 100% of them finished at least at .500. 

 

I hope your right. Maybe the recent years of having such poor records in a few divisions is fresh on my mind. Having 3 wildcard teams and 4 division winners is almost like having 2 teams from every division play in the postseason. Or let's say hypothetically the Browns catch up to the rest of the AFCN, All 4 teams from a single division could be in the playoffs? That to me would make it look watered down. I am only concerned because I care about this game.

  40 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

  3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

What I am truly baffled by is how the NFL can use taking away from the rookies practice time as a punishment, and getting away with it - an absolute beginner lawyer would have an easy time proving that such a penalty results in the reduction of the rookies readiness for the season - and that this reduction in their readiness increases the chance of them getting hurt. Thus, such a penalty itself increases the risk of injury - something the NFL is supposed to fight against, not facilitate...

1. The NFL is just creating the PERCEPTION that they care about players. They don't.

2. They're not concerned with injuries per say. They are concerned with head injuries, by which less practice time would lead to less opportunities for that to happen. The NFL doesn't care if a rookie tears his ACL because he didn't practice enough. 

3. The punishment is clearly designed to reduce preparation time for a team, as that's a viable punishment for abusing the practice time you were given.

Its all about concussions and head injuries. 

To understand the NFL's style of justice I recommend reading "Alice in Wonderland" chapters 11 and 12. The process of the trial depicted there by Lewis Carroll seems to me to resonate strongly with how Goodell and the NFL owners run things. Go ahead and read chapters 11 and 12. You'll get a chuckle. It's on the internet

http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/.

You do not need to read anything to understand the NFL is about money above all else. They have been exploiting people for a long long long time now. It is only recently that people are starting to wake up and realize the truth. They will also continue as long as people continue to give them what they want, which is more money. Why else go global? How very un-patriotic of the NFL.

Wait and see what happens when they expand the playoffs and it becomes common to see 7-9 or 6-10 teams in the post season. That may be the moment their greed hits a tipping point and regular season games all of a sudden don't mean as much.

20 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

21 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  3 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

Fact: The NFL's ability to administer justice fairly, consistently, compassionately for various degrees of rules infractions has a spotty record, at best, as we Ravens fans saw first hand in the Ray Rice affair and has been repeated many times in various areas since then.

Opinion: Rather than rely on the owners and commissioner dispensing justice they should hire a panel of esteemed retired judges to make such decisions. Let's face it, the only quality one must have to be an owner is a fat wallet and in some cases a fat head. If infractions are going to have such a major impact on the game and our enjoyment of watching it then let's take them seriously and have them administered by men (and women) who are trained to do the job.

Sounds nice - but this doesn't change the fact that there is one thing nobody denies - that the relevant rule has been broken. And no NFL official or rich owner has anything to do with it, the sole responsible is the coach who ordered the rookies wear full pads.

A serious organization owns up their mistakes. Let's not be all Patriots about it, like Kraft and Brady who did anything but admit they are responsible for the deflated balls.

It doesn't change the facts of the case but it does affect the punishment phase. Punishment should fit the crime. Five minutes in pads which you then self-correct when this is pointed out by your own team should be punished far differently than a full session or sessions in pads which is caught by non-team members. Judges understand that and rule accordingly. The NFL's leaders past performances in administering punishment in similar events shows they are inconsistent, incompetent and even corrupt at their core. The league needs help here. Why don't they reach out for it?

Why is it so difficult for people to understand? There is no difference in breaking the rules or law for 5 minutes or 5 hours.
Let's say Watson didnt notify the coach of their infraction. How long do you think they would have continued in pads for? 

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

5 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

I'm really starting to think Harbaugh is not the upstanding coach that he tries to portray in the media. I think most fans have already stopped believing what he says following constant lies about player status and now his blatant breaking of the rules in camp. It's not about the 5 minutes they wore pads, it's a question of how long they would have worn them if Watson wasnt there to catch them.

1. I never really put much stock in the "lying about player status" thing, because I'd do the exact same thing. If I were a coach, you'd get literally nothing out of me. You'd get a cross between Belichick and Popovich... with even less transparency. I'm certainly not disclosing any medical information about any of my players to the public. That literally accomplishes nothing.

2. He did break a rule, but then again, maybe that was his intention. Maybe he's fed up with nobody listening to his ideas that he figured this would drum up interest in his agenda. If that's the case, it would certainly be worth the fine to do so.

Plus, while this isn't an excuse for breaking a rule you knew about, we all know why the rule exists to begin with. Its a rule put in place to give the false perception that the NFL cares about player safety. Its a rule put in place so that when they go to court every year fighting against concussion lawsuits, they can show a judge all the efforts they've made to reduce concussions (except for the one's that really matter).

I'm not too worried about John withholding injury info from us. It's the clean cut image that Harbaugh puts out there that I am calling into question. Either you are a moral, honest person or you are not. I also doubt it was some well crafted ploy to draw attention to his cause. It may be a $100,000 personal fine. Rich or not that's a whole lot of money. I think you are giving him too much credit. Sort of like how conspiracy theorists give the government too much credit. Most of the time things are exactly as they seem.

So, is our five minutes in pads during a special teams drill gonna be the new delfategate of this offseason? Ridiculous.

Either you live a life of honesty or you dont. It's not about 5 minutes. Do you really think that they would have stopped after 5 minutes if Watson didnt speak up. That's why it's a big deal.

I'm really starting to think Harbaugh is not the upstanding coach that he tries to portray in the media. I think most fans have already stopped believing what he says following constant lies about player status and now his blatant breaking of the rules in camp. It's not about the 5 minutes they wore pads, it's a question of how long they would have worn them if Watson wasnt there to catch them.

4 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

I don't want to be a downer,but I'm getting tired of the barrage of Keenan Allen articles.

I assume you mean Keenan Reynolds and I know what you mean. Why all the energy spent to discuss a 6th round pick? Talk of giving him 19? I feel like he will make the team even if he shouldn't simply due to the fact that the Ravens wouldn't want someone like the Patriots snatch him off the PS. I mean, I hope he turns into a real play maker for us but he must be the most hyped up 6th round pick in history. Not to mention the added pressure being put on his shoulders. What are they doing and why?

Using the ol #19 jersey huh? Why would they do this? Seems to be that number along with 52 and 20 should never be used again. Man the Ravens really have a man crush on Reynolds. What makes this 6th round pick so special? I understand he was a playmaker in college, played in Annapolis and has high character but he's still a 6 round selection. They cried when they picked him and now this? Someone please enlighten me as to what I am missing. Thanks

First I would like to applaud baltimoreravens.com for not systematically removing any post involving Monroe and Medical M. This issue IS sports related as it is discussing pain management. A subject any athlete will tell you is a major part of their lives. Second, what does it say when all of the posters are completely aware of the issues surrounding prescription drugs yet they only seem to be getting worse.

At least Monroe followed up his support for MM by adding that he thinks doctors should prescribe less opiates. That is the real fight here. Some think it's perfectly normal to have a society addicted to prescription drugs that turn people into mindless drones. If you are hooked and then cant afford them because greedy pharma bleeds you dry you turn to heroin. Sure thats all completely normal. Nothing to see here

5 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Actually he didn't. He's still rambling about Flacco's contract and how it handicapped our free agent options. 

 He also blames our cap on why we didn't retain KO.  We could have retained KO, but the FO didn't think he was worth that price. 

Same old broken record from some of these analysts. I expect that nonsense from fans but when you make a living doing this you should be more knowledgeable.

Maybe RMCjacket should create a blog using facts to dispel all of the horrible analysts and commentators out there! I feel like some should be held accountable for what they say and when they say it. Makes you wonder, if you picked one at random and went back through 5 years of articles and tweets to fact check and score them, how close they were to being correct in any given year if that could eventually make them think before they speak. Perfect example is the news this week about Peyton Manning mentoring Tannenhill when in fact he only stopped by to have lunch at the facility one day. The world would also be a little better if ALL news quotes were actually backed by the sources name. 90% of those turn out to be false click bait. Too much to ask for?

  24 minutes ago, WNC-Raven said:

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

The only 2 that I see that we should of kept (imo) is Osemelee and McPhee. The rest just didn't warrant the money they were asking.

No one said that we should have kept them, only that they are gone because of the cap and we fell into cap hell anyway because of Rice, Pitta, Webb, Ngata, ect.. But yeah, The 2 you listed would have been nice to keep.

  6 minutes ago, budman said:

I get ya. The only parts that rang true were the situations we were in when we extended Flacco , Yanda, Pitta and even Monroe. Our cap is o.k now but what happens later? Didn't Pittsburgh have that problem too?

Well, with guys like Pitta and Monroe... we already know the answer. They'll likely be gone soon and the cap problems will go away. Joe's cap situations isn't going to dramatically increase any longer... it will go up, but the cap will rise annually by significantly more than Joe's deal will increase.

The cap problems were bigger issues in the last 2-3 years than they will be going forward. We only gave out one significant long term extension between the 2011 and 2012 draft classes.

Thank god. I feel like we have been in the position to make positive changes to our roster but have been overly restrained by the darn cap ever since we won the SB in 2012. Ironic thing is they let a lot of good players walk so that wouldn't happen and it did anyway.

Could it be because he wasnt very good as a tv personality? I didnt think so anyway. Love the player, love the mentor, not a fan of his commentary, maybe he will miss football enough to try coaching some day. He was making over a million $$ to work a few hours a week on tv. As a coach he would receive a fraction of that and work all of the time. Stay tuned

3 hours ago, napaman said:

I couldn't agree more. I watched game film on Correa against 2 different Mountain West opponents and he got dominated, making literally no impact. He didn't have any burst or pass rush moves, and once an offensive lineman got his hands on him it was over, he has no get off. From the film I can't understand the buzz around him and why the Ravens would have passed on so many other proven options with that 2nd round pick. It's very confusing and my only rationale is that he must have been playing through some kind of injury in the games that I watched.....at least I hope that was the case.

I sure hope Ozzie watched as much game film as you did before making this pick. I mean 2 different opponents. 

Please understand that the FO and all of our scouts and personnel travel the country all season to watch these games and talk to coaches. They know so much more than any of us could ever retain from a few games. They know what to look for, little tendencies, body language, ect...

And please, please don't take anything away from a highlight video on YouTube. Let me just say this, have you ever seen a bad highlight video?

It's easy for any non GM to make crazy statements. The reporters or bloggers or whatever they call themselves are really no better than most posters on here when it comes to knowledge and common sense (a compliment to our posters). They just earn a living doing it. The only one held accountable is Ozzie and our FO. So yeah, go ahead and take Tunsil and if he turns out to be a bust no one will remember who wrote what. They will only remember who wasted a 1st rounder on him. Same goes for Spence and all of the other low character players some fans wanted to add to our team. Go Ravens

Odds of a hungry Ochi having a longer, better career than Spence? This is how the Draft works sometimes. Experts are exposed as know nothings all of the time. Didnt Tucker go undrafted? Where would he have gone if teams thought he might become the most accurate kicker in history?

Steve Smith has a good life. He is a good example of a perfect player. Tough as nails on the field but still a good person off the field.

1 minute ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

And in 13 years, how many play-off wins do the Bengals and Marvin Lewis have?

ZERO! Not 1 single win in the play-offs in 13 years.....So, nice guys finish what?

Even better, it was exactly the kind of players some would like that cost them their first playoff win in who knows how long. Pacman and Burflict handed that game to the Steelers. Why do some have issues with cause and effect?

Just now, ryananth said:

PREACH, Crusader!!! Q don't play that

Yeah Q don't play that. Maybe you missed the camera shot of Boldin and Torrey sitting next each other on the bench looking miserable last year? I loved having Anquan as a Raven but he and Torrey obviously are not happy with their new team and they both were fan favorites in Baltimore. Q don't play that! Too funny. You should have said Q don't play. As in play football.