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Not really! I'm confident Perriman will hit the stat line and Harbs won't be going anywhere for a long time. I think that's what's obvious.

This is a joke of a post! Seriously!? A bust after 6 games and being out of football for a year and having 1 week of training camp?  People are so quick to label a player a bust.  See me in 2018 and then raise this question.  I don't care if he gets 1 more catch this year I'm not labeling him a bust. Chris Carter sound familiar to anyone?

So, I just had a conversation with a disgruntled Ravens fan. Here was the question proposed:

What happens first: John Harbaugh gets fired or Breshad Perriman's stat line reads, 5 catches 100 yards and 1 TD?

Let the debate begin!

I hate when Flacco start talking by saying "We've go to...." or "We got to...".. it seems so repetitious .. Just count how many times he says that after every single game.. How about that; you have take responsibility about your bad playing and focus on getting everyone on track starting with yourself.. Instead, you are not helping any of your teammates nor helping yourself .. your own mistakes are the same every single game; missing open receivers, over- or under throwing receiver, lack of patience when you have time, and holding the ball too much when you do not have time to.

Kick Rocks! Last I checked it's a team game! Flacco takes responsibility for his faults and owns up because it is a team. One man fails they all failed. I'll take Flacco over Cam... who by the way are 1-5!

Maybe Harbs needs to come to the hard realization that Billick came to - sometimes you just have to be prepared to win ugly, even if that means taking 3 points instead of being aggressive with an offense that can't convert (BTW, aside from penalty-assists, I think we are 0-20 in our last 3rd and long situations).

Billick had arguably the best defense in history. Players just need to man up and execute.

We took the points and rode M. Stover to a Super Bowl. Why now is it an issue 21 out of our last 22 games have been decided by 8 points or less. If we start taking the points it will be just enough. We have proven we can hang with any team consistently we just need a few more points. I get that the red zone issu s is part of the problem, but let's not compound them by not taking what the defense gives us. If it's a field goal fine, at least we will have something to show for it instead of no point because we always want to be aggressive. You can be aggressive in January, for now we just need to stack wins.

Sorry but I disagree. Be aggressive in September and in February. Saints vs. Colts Super Bowl, start of the 2nd half, Payton goes for an onside kick. Aggressive? Yes! 99% of people won't do that but it was a contributing factor in winning the game. There is a fine line between aggressive and stupid and IMO Harbs hasn't crossed that line. The timing of the calls have been good and they just haven't succeeded. This is the heat you take when you fail.

I agree with John to an extent. True we're not scoring touchdowns which is the major problem. The question is why? It comes back to offensive penalties that kill drives. You're going to complete 3rd and forever often. So, yes, TDs is the problem but penalties are the contributing factor why drives are stalling and prohibiting the ability to score TDs. Play calling was an issue but the balance has returned.

As far as not taking points or "chasing points" I agree with John E completely here. The Ravens have far too long been reliant upon Justin Tucker. Best kicker in the league? Absolutely, but I'm not sending him out there on 4th and a foot. If you can't get a foot that's an offensive line issue. You just got punked and owned up front, period. If I'm Harbs I'm going for it too. That's a situation where you as a player need to man up and beat the man across from you.

Lastly, I have no issues with John being aggressive. The fake FG was a good call and we would be singing the praises of a Belichick-type gutsy call. As Harbs said, nobody is complaining about the 4th down from their own 35 because they got it and subsequently scored a TD no less. You only hear and complain about the ones they don't get. We're 3-3 and it's not the end of the world. Not to mention 2 of the losses came to non-conference play. If you have to take a loss those the best ones to take. It's time for players to play "pissed-off" and with an edge that doesn't cross over to penalties. That's truly what this team needs- some nasty!

Loyalty? Wake up! He helped himself (and the team). This is a business partnership, but just because it's business doesn't mean there aren't relationships built. Ever had a friendship with a boss? He can still hire and fire you as needed.

We can't afford the top tier which is the level of skill we need. I would accept Adam Jones because of his return abilities (the guy is unbelievable with the ball in his hands). Please, no more bottom of the barrel (Kyle Arrington, Keenan Lewis, etc...) fill ins for real players. We cannot afford the cheap players any longer. We need to figure out why we are horrible at drafting CBs and WRs. I don't think we have drafted a good CB since Chris McAllister. Webb was good for a year, we are still waiting for Jimmy Smith, Trey Walker, and the rest of them.

Waiting on Jimmy? Wow! That's some pretty stout disrespect. If you're expecting Sanders reborn those days of dominant corner play is done. Thank the rule changes for that.

Revis, Sherman, Peterson and others are great corners but your expectations for Jimmy to be that guy is not fair to who Jimmy is as a player and what he brings to the table. Personally I would put Jimmy and Chris McAllister in the same tier of play. Jimmy doesn't have the mouth of Sherman nor the Revis (in his prime) dominance but he is definitely a top corner in this league.

There are 10 other guys on the field that contribute to pass defense. Pass rushers and corners need each other. No pass rush and there isn't a corner in the league that's going to cover a WR for 10 seconds.

Oh and let's not forget who sealed the victory against Pittsburgh with an outstanding pass defensed. How does "Reeeeeeece" sound with 70,000 fans screaming in unison!?

Let's be real honest about the second half of the season defense; they played much weaker opponents. The Seahawks and the Chiefs blistered the Ravens for 34.5 points. The Steelers played with a banged up Ben and Cincy played with AJ. I'm not about to take anything from Shareece or the defense but let's be real. The stat is true but look beyond the surface.

For all of you guys dreaming about Ramsey you can put that to bed. Unless we go up to get him, which is highly unlikely, there is no way the best player in the draft drops that far. I can understand Tennessee and Cleveland passing on him but not San Diego, Jacksonville, or Dallas.

Back to Wright, that's a good solid deal for him and the team! I'm incredibly happy for him and his family. I could certainly do well with $16m. Most of us won't see $16 in a lifetime.

I really like Osemele at LT and I would hate to see him go elsewhere. I fixed my eyes on him for most of the game and was not disappointed in the least.

Hold on a second! I think we just gave the credit to the wrong player. Timmy Jernigan blew up the center and flung him to the side like a rag doll. Brandon Williams destroyed the guard and forced the RB back inside. Kudos to both!