wizard1

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

If we go like 5-11 this year, Harbaugh's seat will be warm in 2017. If he does poorly in 2017, there is a chance he's gone. But this is all hypothetical, and really just indicative of how safe his job is at the current moment. The only way he really ever gets on a hot seat is if he loses the locker-room, and there is absolutely no hint of that right now. 

There is a hint of that. In fact way more than a hint. When Flacco made his statement after the game on Sunday he was talking about the entire coaching staff. There is a huge divide in the locker room and it's just wasn't about Trestman.

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

@Sami84   Please Please Please go apply to be General Manager of the Steelers, Pats or Bengals and take @wizard1 with you to be the assistant GM. 

Sorry pal I'm not going anywhere. You need a reality check. Not everyone thinks like you do. I'm so thankful for that. Try to picture what this world would look like if everyone thought like you and Lost_in_translation. It would be Lost_in_Ravens_Mania. Not a fun place to be.

This game is rather easy to predict. The Giants have a 3-headed monster in OBJ, Shepard and Cruz. We don't even have a one-headed monster. If Morningweg has any chance to turn this offense around it wont be with his first game as OC. The Ravens have too many injuries to be relevant in this game and the Giants are looking for a bounce back game. Hostile environment. Giants win 31-21.

8 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Which is why i'm always cautious of blaming the OCs that we hire. It always seems like we hire a guy to be the OC because the guy before didn't get the job done. But we tell the new guy he has to stick to the "Ravens Way" of doing things and as long as he ground and pound is apart of the offense the organization is happy because we play in the rough and rugged AFCN. The only problem is none of the others teams in this division actually plays this way. That's why I had hope for Trestman because he seemed to be the one guy who told Ozzie, Harbs and company to go shove it. You paid your franchise QB like one of the game's best so i'm gonna run the offense through him. Unfortunately that wasn't really the case with Trestman. 

I honestly feel like the Ravens are stuck in the 2000s on offense. Score 17-24 points and allow the defense to do the rest, while other teams play as if they want to score 35-40 per game. I hope things change with Marty, but as optimistic as I am, i'm in a wait and see state. 

I do agree with you but have a major sticking point here. John Harbaugh is the HC therefore everything flows through him. He is the one responsible for the whole picture and if that picture is fragmented he has to be held accountable just the same as he is lauded when our team wins. He has had 4 OCs in his tenure so far. Granted 2 of them went on to become HC's . This is not a recipe for offensive success. You are right this isn't the defensive dogfight division it once was. It has become a finesse division with some really good offenses and we have to keep up with them or we are going to be left behind.

4 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Tyrod's should have dropped to zero after trying to take the snap from his guard.

LMAO even John Elway tried to take a snap directly under has guard in like 1982

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Can say i'm happy with Marty as OC, but will definitely gave him a chance. I was one of the guys who supported Trestman, mainly because I hate to see anyone fired, but also because I tend to put more onus on players to deliver because every play is great on a black board but it's the players who have to make it work. 

Will Marty make Zuttah block better, will he fix all the dropped passes, will he get Flacco to stop throwing off his back foot? For me it's simple, the running game improved when you got rid of Forsett because he wasn't playing well. I will say I was a fan of Trestman up until this past game. I was so excited during the first drive thinking the run game would lead the way and the playaction would crush the spirits of the skins defense. I just knew when Norman went out of the game we would attack that secondary with more combo routes to force them to communicate more, but we didn't and I was hot. 

However where I will say Marty will get guys going is that whenever a guy is fired, others start to step there game up.  Marty or Marc, for me it boils down to the players. The defense is playing better because players are playing better. The offense is gonna have to buckle down and just get better on offense, but if you can give this defense a big lead, they might be deadly. However it's gonna be all on the players. The scapegoat is gone, even though he had a ton to do with the struggles of the offense. Now it's on the 100M QB, it's on the 1st round WR and LT, it's on the Oline who were supposed to be better. 

I'm an optimist by nature so I'm excited to see what Marty can do, but this offense is gonna need more than a coaching change to improve. I'm sure they're hard at work. 

I agree we have a good defense but traditionally we have always had an fearsome defense but equally as perplexing is that we have traditionally had a mediocre offense. It was true under Billick who was billed as an offensive genius and it's been true under Harbaugh. It's ridiculous to see these same struggles year in and year out.

Really? That's hilarious. Harbaugh has had serious questions marks for more than a year. In fact rumblings started during training camp last year when he totally lied about the Perriman injury fiasco. But let's fast forward to this year. Articles as recently as last night have postured that Trestman's firing and replacement with Morningweg could be an attempt to plug a leak in a boat that's already waterlogged. If you don't believe that Harbaugh is on the hot seat then I have no idea what you can possibly be thinking. I believe if we stop Har-ball in Baltimore our team will immediately get better.

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

To get the discussion back on track since one of the 2 members of the forum who can derail who threads singlehandedly did so again. I'm a little nervous. I expect us to be rusty with the immediate change which is why I don't see the game vs the giants a win tbh. Which will enrage most members but I'll understand. It took a game for Caldwell to kick in and he was better than Cam especially during the playoffs. 

 

I'm curious as to how he'll use the three headed monster we have. West/Allen/Dixon are all very solid and talented. I think both Dixon and West have the potential to be feature backs(a very good problem to have), and Allen is excellent with RB screens. I know in Philly he was prone to using those so I'm excited there. He also excellently utilized Desean Jackson's speed and was able to adaquately get targets for Brent Celek(who's been grossly underused for the past few seasons). 

 

I think he has potential but at this point, I'm hoping we can go get an actual Kubiak disciple at some point if at all possible(I doubt it though). Or like a Mike McCoy if he's fired. Maybe a Ken Wisenhunt if theres a total regime change in San Diego which wouldnt surprised me.

 

Btw. Wisenhunt and McCoy. Both very smart offensively. Bad head coaches. See where I'm going here?

And why wouldn't you think there will be a total regime change here as well?

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

And QBR is an accurate rating how?

The offensive scheme killed the entire Ravens' offense. We can compare stats all you want but by far Flacco wins. 

Well jeez-I'm not sure how else to rate a QB? Taylor has 9 TD's and 2 interceptions--Flacco has 5 TD's and 4 interceptions? Anything else?

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

Flacco by far.

Wrong. Taylor has an 88 QB rating and Flacco has an 80. Nuff said

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm pretty sure I could go back to posts before our sb run and see that you were heavily calling for us to bench flacco.

 

someone get on it!

Thats true-I wanted to give Tyrod Taylor a shot for sure and look at him now. Who is the better QB in the AFC? Taylor 88 QB rating and Flacco and 80. Hmmm?

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Funny because a few pages back you were clamoring to trade flacco away for picks and go get Wentz, who'd be in a terrible situation here.

 

get a clue

I have advocated for Flacco's trade as far back as 2015 because of the inflated contract he got after we won the SB. Not necessarily because of his lack of skills. He is a good QB which I have always stated but not worth $125 mil. No way !

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He lasted with Bill because he's not a HC, he still is a little punk but one with no authority and only intellectual input. 

You don't really understand how rank, seniority, authority, coaching, salary caps, or football in general work do you? Yet you argue it all day.

You are obviously one who doesn't learn by his mistakes. Let's see have you ever predicted one thing that was either correct or even remotely accurate.

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He doesn't seem to understand the fact that you don't need amazing superstar talent to go win a SB. I've reiterated the fact that you need three things. 

1. Franchise QB-Flacco is one in spite of what Sami and Wizard think. He's historically very good in the playoffs, and this team could potentially get there. 

2. Good play in the trenches. Our front 7 is great. We have talent, for those complaining about Dumervil doing nothing it was his second game back from injury, shut up, and Suggs is not doing bad while we have Jernigan in the middle who's turned into a one man wrecking ball(and might be a pro bowler if he keeps it up). Offensive line is getting there but we need to get healthy and it wouldnt surprise me if Alex Lewis performs better at RT next week(which is why I think we signed Ducasse. I think Stanley is ready to come back and Wagner is hurt) than Wagner. 

 

3. Identity. Got one on defense, this is us trying to find our offensive identity. Hopefully Marty delivers. 

 

We have the depth(which is ultimately more important than star power) and pieces to go win one talent wise. If we get there we have a good possesion WR in Steve, two guys who can be deep threats in Wallace and Perriman, and two TEs who can make plays. If we can get any improvement on the oline(cause we've seemed to find a groove in the running game in spite of Trestman.. you know. Never using it) then this team could potentially make noise. 

I never say anything bad about Flacco even tho I definitely think he is not worth what we are paying him. Given time and a comfortable pocket Flacco is the best in the business. He never has had a consistently good offensive line, hence he is always up and down.  Offensively we have always been plagued with lack of talent and depth and any position. Even at RB this year when everyone has said we have such depth and talent the reality is we have neither. The same with TE and WR. I'm lost with some of your insights.

3 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

A lot of people were wrong about Tebow . and ? what's your point ??? .....

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No...

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens/

Cap hit would increase by $43.3M if you traded Flacco prior to the 2016 season. $65.85M would be the 2016 cap hit for Flacco. You can trade away future salaries all you want... you can't trade away prior paid signing bonuses.

Don't bother commenting on this... this article is right, and you are wrong. Not a debatable topic. 

And I don't care about our current year cap situation... the year has already started. I care about future years, where we have plenty of cap space. That same website will show you that, as well as point out some of the obvious cap space we can create by cutting non-valued added players. 

You are right-I don't have to respond that link proved my point entirely-Thank you

11 minutes ago, berad said:

Josh McDaniels traded up and drafted Tebow in the 1st round. His players turned on him and his team tanked, even his punter calling him a "little punk" in the media. Harbaugh could go for it on every 4th down from now until 2020 and still be a superior coach.

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we let Flacco go after this season, we wouldn't have been able to afford to keep KO, and probably not be able to afford to sign a #1 draft pick either.

I know you're not familiar one bit with the salary cap or how it works, but its kind of a big deal in the NFL. You can't just cut a guy one year into a monster, guaranteed deal and just get away with not having to face cap consequences for it.

There is no scenario where cutting Flacco and signing KO could even vaguely happen in the same offseason. 

There are several teams out there with the money to absorb Flacco's contract. Actually more than several. Cleveland gladly would have traded it's pick for our first and second rounder. I'm not sure what you are talking about actually. You are the one that doesn't understand salary cap space. You keep saying we have plenty and we don't. Currently we are 27th in the league with about 4.5 mil which isn't much and basically $27 mil of that goes to Flacco.

2 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

So what happens when Wentz is done with his rookie contract and is due 25+ mil per season based on the QB market? Trade him and draft another QB? Rinse wash repeat?

Rookie QB's almost always agree to at least a smaller 3 year deal with incentives.

19 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Probably already been mentioned but he was the HC in Detroit so bringing that up makes no sense

It makes perfect sense except to those who refuse to remember the past and those are the ones that are condemned to repeat it.

In the last analysis it's fruit from the poisoned tree.

45 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

So.. In your perfect world, we fire Harbaugh. Sign Mcdaniels as coach. Trade Flacco and draft a QB in the first round. ... ? Or is that Sami who loves him some Mcdaniels. Get the 2 of you confused sometimes.

I definitely think its time to show Harbaugh the door. Yes, I do think Josh McDaniels is an ideal replacement and yes I did suggest before the draft that we let Flacco go, we keep Kelechi Oselmele, we trade our first and second round pick, ( which turns out to be to be Stanley and Correa ) and move up in the draft and select Carson Wentz and save ourselves about $80 mil. But as always my suggestion was met with a few guffaws. I might add the exact same people who were laughing at that idea are the same ones who had their pom poms out for Marc Trestman and even Ray Rice.

I thought I saw him working at the Krispy Kreme out on Lord Baltimore Dr. ?

Just now, flynismo said:

He needs to stop letting teams poach his OCs?

Yes yes --- did you see the lines of teams waiting to get Cam Cameron? Oh yes and isn't Trestman being considered for the next HC position that comes available? NOT

9 hours ago, flynismo said:

What part of 1. he isn't Trestman and 2. he has a long history of success does not suggest that we should see some kind of improvement?

Long history of success? What history is that exactly? He certainly didn't have any success in Detroit almost identical to lackluster stint Trestman had in Chicago. I think this saying truly fits here with this coaching staff-- " if you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas" ! Biscotti needs to stop putting band-aids on bullet wounds. Our whole team in racked with average players producing below average results. Nobody is playing lights out. That's directly on John Har-ball.

We can rebuild it and we can make it better!

2 hours ago, January J said:

I wouldnt be worried about that. Things wont change drastically but he knows why trestman got fired so I don't see him repeating the same mistakes. He will put his stamp on the playbook and shift some things around but most importantly No more dink and dunk all game long and a much more balanced attack is what we can expect.

He's not being brought in to be the head coach if I'm not mistaken.  Are you familiar with his track record as an OC or are you just here to stir negativity? Nvm don't answer that. If you actually contrtibuted even a lick of positivity once in a while people could take you more seriously, but everything out of your mouth is doom and gloom. Surely there are some  things the ravens have done that you agree with?

Jeez here you go with the Morningweh pom poms already. Are you familiar with the phrase " better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" ?

Morningweh is not going to fix our problems, in fact he is part of the problem. This all starts at the top with Newsome and Harbaugh. The blame for these poor coaching decisions are on John Harbaugh. This is now the 4th OC Harbaugh has been through. Doesn't anyone see a pattern here?