Mystigo_Dragon

"The Ravens have a long history of finding diamonds in the rough at inside linebacker. Bart Scott, Jameel McClain and Dannell Ellerbe were all undrafted free agents who thrived in Baltimore and eventually cashed in with big contracts" ,... ELSEWHERE! Somehow this never has a happy ending for us! Now, don't go "Gotcha" and say, "Well, McClain blah, blah, blah,..." You know what I meant about "Diamonds" walking away!

Maxx Williams may be #2 to Dennis Pitta to start, but I do not see Dennis finishing the year, healthy! Really wish he would call it quits! And, every year, we have a Super Bowl-caliber team (according to some fans ) and then a strange thing happens -- ... and the regular season starts!

I have, begrudgingly become a supporter of Joe because I have seen his growth over the years! I do not judge his entire body of work on ONE PLAY! I am merely illustrating why many do not see him in the Top 10 and that play was emblematic of why!

I have, begrudgingly become a supporter of Joe because I have seen his growth over the years! I do not judge his entire body of work on ONE PLAY! I am merely illustrating why many do not see him in the Top 10 and that play was emblematic of why!

I have, begrudgingly become a supporter of Joe because I have seen his growth over the years! I do not judge his entire body of work on ONE PLAY! I am merely illustrating why many do not see him in the Top 10 and that play was emblematic of why!

If I'm understanding this exchange, then I beg to differ, sir! It was not "win and in" for us because San Diego owned the inside track over us having WON the head-to-head, ravenpic! We definitely profited from the Chiefs' win over the Chargers!

You do not! When you have one of the top Secondaries down the field and you have scorched them on a play already, but you are picking up 1st Downs and methodically moving the ball with a shorter passing game and runs, NO you do not take the shot! Didn't you hear the Corner say that they [the Pats] talked about that play after Smith scored on it earlier and how to cover it over and under w/o tipping the coverage,.. and Joe threw right into it? Let me refresh you: "The revamped [Patriots'] defense also held up its end, twice picking off Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco, who hadn't turned the ball over in his previous five postseason outings." Ya don't throw that all-or-nothing ball! If anything, you throw a safe ball and nobody can convince me that it was a good call!

So,... all you good folks hitting red minuses on my posts detailing my opinion why Joe isn't in the Top 10 conversation,... I don't mind,... but what's your explanations?

Sami, these guys are in their final years of illustrious careers as,... //cough//... perennial winners, one who has the SB jewelry to boast it and another who does not but has a ton of wins, MVP awards and records! Joe has neither! Maybe someday,... but, not today!

I'm speaking of one game where he went away from the smart play and took a shot and you're recapping a year! Apples & oranges, bud! So, let me do a recap of the year! In a Playoff game that, thanks to the K.C. Chiefs, not Joe's expertise, we were lucky to be in, and Joe decided to take a shot and gambled the whole playoff season when he threw an ill-advised, high risk pass in a situation where the future of the whole team,... a group of men who will never, ever play again as a unit,... and who had a shot of going to the Super Bowl riding on it,... and got picked! Blame Torrey for not fighting, Blame Lee Evans for cursing the End-Zone, but blame Joe for making a reckless decision? Oh No-o-o-o-o!

We could go back and analyze each game and find some we won but should have lost and vice versa,... but, once you make the playoffs, your entire team must out-play the other team! In the Pats' game, Joe Flacco played well enough to win, but Brady feasted on our decidedly inept Secondary by a mixture of nebulous plays and by picking us apart! Brady was the better man because he did what he needed to in order to win, while Joe, rather than exploiting our strength in the run and short games... being Joe,... he took a shot ... and we went home!

The last INT,... for the very reason you quoted because you know this, you DON'T throw the ball -- period!

Fusuymada, I cut down much of your comment to the part that I take a bit of issue with! Sorry! I needed to make a point and I wasn't at issue with you entire comment! "We get ahead so we run, when the game is close we run..." In my world Joe Flacco is not inside the #10 mark ,... read closely.... simply because he doesn't win the games he's supposed to! The Fantasy Footballers, [might be you], in MHO are the people who root for 4,000 yard games from QBs. While the Football Purists [definitely me] root for games won that should be won and games won that normally wouldn't by QBs! The Divisional Championship is a case in point: Joe Flacco beats Tom Brady in Brady's house for the second time in a playoff setting by driving the Ravens down the field and managing the clock expertly and thrusting the ball over the goal line with a QB Sneak or hand-off to Justin Forsett/the Juice,..... This scenario guarantees Joe's a Top 10 QB this year! But, Joe Flacco drives the Ravens down to the 34 yard line of the Patriots, then, quote takes a shot,... throws an interception into the end-zone ending the Ravens' playoff run,... That's not what perennial winners do! This the way the undisciplined Joe Flacco continues to show that he doesn't have the PATIENCE to play his position to the point of stealing games the CW suggests he shouldn't win, like a Phillip Rivers playing us any and every time he does!

"All but one of the 13 defensive linemen are 26 or younger. Chris Canty, 32, is the "old head" of the group!" This is huge and bodes well for our continued success in the future! With both Williams and Jernigan expected to reach their projected potentials and should Kapron-Lewis and Urban do the same, Oz will be hard pressed to keep them all,.... And as with every other year with the OLBs,... I, for one, will be [pleasantly] sad and angry!

Your reasoning in much of that is sound,... I'd tend to agree! I'm an ol dawg and have shed a lot of my young dawg "piss & vinegar" for the comfort of the "tried & true"! What I'm saying is if I have the "horses" to drive the ball down an opponent's throat, I don't want my QB "getting cute" for an ESPN Highlight Film throw - I want him to beat up the other team,... take their will to come back, to crush it while I dominate the clock and that team! You see, I'm a former BALTIMORE COLTS fan,... sorry!

Timmy Jernigan, 2017 DPOY

The thing I took away from the Chargers' game was a vivid lesson on how Joe needs to approach games in the closing minutes! I still content that Joe's attempt at "taking the shot" in the Patriots Playoff game was a bad move! The resulting INT proves the above! Had Joe taken a page from Phil Rivers rather than gone "Rogue Gunslinger", he had plenty of time to maneuver the ball down close to the End Zone and put the ball across the goal ! I was furious with that one play because it was reckless and cost us at least a shot at the AFC Championship! I just hope he has learned that taking the shot is a viable play from the opening kick-off until the last quarter, but never, never, ever during the final drive if you NEED a score,... unless the Corner has fallen down or something like that!

I don't see a thing wrong with what you've written! I understand about the unsure officiating toward the hitting but it seemed our whole Secondary had gone from the fearsome unit of the Reed/Pollard/C.Williams era to a bunch of guys playing not to get hurt rather than with a wild abandon! Say what you will, Harbs, about wanting a guy who plays "sound football", every team needs an "Enforcer" with some,... nay, lots of Bernie Pollard's DNA in his game!

Heck,... once you've hit bottom,... been exposed as the "weak link" of an otherwish great team,... where can you go but UP! Get mad,... Lock en up and BUCK UP !!!

We're talking about a professional football player here, not no high school guy who's pining over his chum getting transferred or expelled! I firmly believe that any melancholy may last a couple of practices but a soon as the whistle blows in September, T-Sizzle will relegate Haloti's memory to his "personal shelf" with Ray, Ed and Bernard!

This is extremely important,... to have these guys back for 2 years gives us an improved chance of having a dynamic running game, an effective unit!

A trade give us another draft pic, unlikely but maybe two late picks! And, balfan, I'm surprised at you! What is "organizational faith"? You can either play the game at a pro level or you cannot - that's a fan perspective not a FO perspective and not something I would have expected from you, man! This year's a wash, financially, already, and gathering another future trade,... hey, it's the "Boldin" thing to do!

TRUE,... very true! Plus, we want Joe to be just midway into hitting his stride when he's 33 years old,... not shuffled off to be someone's Back-up! He's been getting better at playing his position, understanding his strengths and limitations better! The INT he threw to end our drive in Foxborough was NOT the play a smart, seasoned QB makes no matter how some folks like to explain it away as sound!

Cry, "HAVOC", and let slip the of gridiron war!