riseNConquer81

11 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

Let's not forget Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Maybe this year we hit a jackpot with our 6th rounder. You just never know :-)

Tom Brady is a bit overrated.
Tom Brady is not on our team.
That happened 17 literal years ago. 

Technically you don't ever know, but you can be very reasonably certain that mr 186 isnt going to be anything special.

Anyone who thinks Urschel is better than Zuttah, is g(x)=4x+6-1+k(y) in the head.

dont have any idea what that's supposed to mean, or why you wrote 6-1 instead of just 5,

but in any case: Zuttah wasnt exactly great and he was undersized to begin with. Urschel or Jensen couldnt do much worse, but we definitely want better if we could get it.

Okay we get the SF pick in the 6th round and give up our own. We create 5.8M in cap space. But, what next? Who's his replacement? We are supposedly not in talks with Mangold so please don't tell me it is either the math guy or Jensen that's going to be Center?

"Math guy" has a name. It's Urschel, and for now: yes, that's all we got.

  12 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

don't think anybody's saying that.
Just pointing out that the net effect is the same.

We havent made anybody from the 6th round materialize into anything, moving up 12 spots aint gon change that.

the niners are the only ones who actually got anything out of this deal, which is why they took it.

If released what's the odds he gets signed for the same amt or more left on his contract?

 

he keeps his pay and goes to a system/coach who he's familiar with and wants him - win for him. 

 

Sf gets a player that fits their system and can contribute by just moving back in the 6th - win for them. 

 

We move a guy we were gonna cut and move up a bit in the 6th, which adds value in case of trading the pick. - win for us. 

dont know, dont care. doesnt matter.

6th round pick is a 6th round pick. The 6th is not a round where there's any value in trading places with someone unless there's somebody that fell dramatically for some odd reason.

Those 12 spots didnt change the value of that pick in any significant way.

  55 minutes ago, omar586 said:

brilliant move by ozzie, its better than nothing and u wipe out his salary.

Others would have rather us "just release him." SMH

don't think anybody's saying that.
Just pointing out that the net effect is the same.

We havent made anybody from the 6th round materialize into anything, moving up 12 spots aint gon change that.

the niners are the only ones who actually got anything out of this deal, which is why they took it.

Just now, Cawtious said:

Its currency to use during the draft.  

 

we already had a 6th round pick. 
Nobody cares about the difference between pick 186 and 198...except for us, apparently.

we were gonna save 3.5 million and get pick 198 but now becuz of the wisdom of Ozzie we save 5.8 millon and get pick number 186.

5.8 over the next two seasons. its the same as releasing. we didnt get anything extra, we just moved up 12 spots in a nearly irrelevant round .

moving up 12 spots in the 6th round does not count as "get[ting] something in return."

10-6 wins this division so Pitts or Ravens ends up 9-7. That Jets game could be one game that did the Ravens in. I would feel a lot better going to New England with a run game because the Ravens will not win in a shoot out with Brady. Only having him sit the bench will.

there wont be a shoot out because Brady is super overrated and the skillset of his targets is terribly limited, especially with Gronk out.

NE's whole wideout corps is a bunch of small, possession receivers that we've never had trouble blanking in coverage even with a patchwork secondary like we were working with in 2014.

That's why they always gotta come up with some crazy nonsense that gets outlawed the next season to get past us.

He's not going to be able to lean on Blount like he usually does when he cant beat the coverage either.

We'll be fine.

18 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Well he's kinda right and ur kinda right. Brady and Ben both have much lower cap hits than Flacco thusgiving their teams more flexibility to manuver.

on the other hand, your absolutely right. Any descent quarterback makes around 20 mil. So basically it's upto a GM to decide weather he's willing to secure a QB and bargain hunt somewhere else or continue to play moving chairs with a QB every couple of years. I'm glad we chose to stick with a QB because those 10 years without a QB were heartbreaking!

The problem I see is that Joe hasn't even played like an average QB this season for various reasons and that's what's killing us.

is Flacco overpaid? Yes, but not by much. Maybe 5 or 6 mil. I think that's worth not taking the risk of playing musical chairs. We have a LT that makes 5 mil a year and his market value is 10-12. That's your 6 mil right there so there's no excuses. Now a good GM needs to sit with his coach and find a way to make his 20 mil QB play like it before the playoffs come because it would be a shame wasting this talented squad because our QB can't play at the level he normally plays at.

Roethlisberger's cap hit is $23.9M. 
Brady's cap hit is only lower because it ultimately makes him way more money. If the Ravens Front office would like to hand Joe $40M out of pocket up front, I'm sure he will gladly drop his base salary to whatever they want. 

Flacco is not "overpaid."
Andrew Luck has never been to the superbowl and is making $24M a year. 

On 11/29/2016 at 9:43 AM, Crusader said:

Joe one of those guys that can't or has a hard time changing any thing out of his norm. One reason the offense is so predictable.

reach. a bad one.

On 11/29/2016 at 6:45 AM, Rav'n Maniac said:

I don't understand why it's so hard for him to slide on his right leg. I played baseball up through college and know for a fact that most are taught at an early age how to slide on both legs. When sliding feet first, you should always want to slide with your back facing the direction the throw is coming from.

nobody does this. what you propose is an ideal.

the reality is that people launch for a slide off their dominant leg, which obviously cant also be the leg they land on.

Joe is right handed like most of the rest of the world.

On 11/28/2016 at 11:23 AM, CQ1 said:

Again....no killer instinct. Our defense is far from as good as it was in 2000 to carry the team. Field goals and a decent defense will only go so far.
When your "star" QB absorbs so much of the teams salary- the rest of your weapons are going to be a crap shoot, etc. Go ask the Saints, they will tell you.
Yes, Drew Brees (NOT to compare Flacco with Brees- only how the major contract affects the REST of the team) is a great QB, however, the Saints............ (you all can complete the sentence)

Drew Brees and the Saints are quite happy with Brandin Cooks, Michael Thomas, Willie Snead, Brandin Coleman, Coby Fleener, and Mark Ingram.

They average 319 pass yards per game (best in the league), 114 rush yards per game (9th in the league), and 30.4 points per game (2nd in the league). All 6 of their top passing options have at least 3 TDs each, and aside from Ingram and Coleman, they all have 480+ yards.

I have no earthly idea what you're talking about

long as it aint a home game

7 hours ago, TorryGundy said:

see, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, David Carr, Drew Brees....they can show you how to step up in the picket, rool out, change protection, throw the ball away, or any of the other good decisions a QB should make in those situations.

ok but he didnt ask about Dak, Russell, *Derek (i presume, since im not sure David is even in the league any more and wasnt ever very successful when he was), and Drew...he asked to see what all the people on this thread pretending they know anything about quarterback play could do.

7 hours ago, steelraven said:

I beg to differ, Stafford is head over hill better than Flacco. The question is have you been watching Flacco's play. Flacco has been protected by a defense his whole career and we see how it worked out last year when the Ravens had all the injuries on defense last week. He has the 2nd top rated defense this year, All those QB's you named are playing better than Flacco, with milddle of the pack defenses. He's the 29th ranked QB in the NFL which says a lot about him. The Ravens can't cut him because it's a large cap penalty and dead money. That's the only reason to let the horse die. They should've never gave him that extension, that mistake is going to haunt the ravens for the next 6 years now.

well keep begging, nothing you said made any sense. 

Joe won the superbowl with a 17th rated defense.

Stafford is not playing anything better than Flacco, the only difference between the two up until this season was Calvin Johnson.

Last year, half the O line was also injured, Kamar Aiken was the number 1 receiver, and taliaferro/buck allen were the RBs. Joe's also had 5 different O Coords and had his entire offense completely turned over at least 3 times...he hardly ever has any healthy and familiar faces around him...i see your memory is selective. 

Jay Cutler is not playing well at all. the only reason Hoyer isnt the Bears starting quarterback is because he's on I.R. now.
 
The Chiefs defense is allowing the 3rd fewest points per game in the league with 19. Your "middling" defense is actually as good as ours, they just give up more ultimately irrelevant yards between the 20s,

and i have no idea what scale you managed to rank Joe Flacco the 29th best quarterback on, but its obviously something rigged to confirm your own bias. 

The real question here is if you watch ANY football at all.
 

I know it's wishful thinking, but I sure hope Ozzie has Norv Turner's number on speed dial... A new OC can't come soon enough. One that's actually a good one, and can come up with playes where the strengths of our offense and players come into play - where the plays are drawn up to match the players' abilities, and not vica versa... Oh, and one who actually knows that in the two-minute drives you don't keep passing short-to-mid range passes to the middle of the field, giving the receiver no chance of making it out of bounds...

Luckily, we also have a D and a ST...

everybody's guarding the sidelines on a two minute drill, you cant expect to get out of bounds on every down.

If you have timeouts to burn you should certainly throw it down the middle. The Defense will either have to guard the whole field or decide to give you at least 3 points.

the objective is to score, not stop the clock. You dont get points for excessive clock management.

  5 hours ago, whobilly said:

  5 hours ago, omar586 said:

all the weapons we have and our offense is still baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, i mean we have dixon, Wallace, perriman, pitta, sss, aiken, waller, yet we can't score a TD for the life of me, no creativity to get all these guys the ball, and be a reliable offense.

That's the problem. Wallace and SSS are good players no longer premier players. The others are simply mediocre players. Waller? Really?

We have great receivers. We could have OBJ, Dez Byant, Amari Cooper, Larry Fitzgerald etc. and there wouldn't be any difference

there would be quite a difference.
all those guys are called playmakers, meaning they dont need all the stars to align in order to be successful and productive. They MAKE the PLAY work, regardless of the circumstances.

we dont have that. never really have.

lack of playmaking aside, we're still underachieving for the level of talent we have, shouldnt be so unproductive.

1 hour ago, Fastynart said:

It is time to stop praising this $20 mil mediocre quarterback who can't do squat after the first series of play. If it wasn't for Tucker, not "Unelite Joe", the Ravens would have lost. It is disgusting that this awful offense can only score once a game and goes three and out constantly in the fourth quarter. How anyone can say this offense is "improved" is beyond me. Ok, they had less penalties. Is that something to brag about? There SHOULD BE less penalties. Tavon Young is a great corner in the making. He plays tough close defense, not 10 yards off the receivers like most of the Ravens do. A good win in a must win situation, but hardly something to brag about.

Young played off of everybody all 4 quarters in Dallas, and Joe threw the only TD anybody scored today; no turnovers.

You dont even watch these games....

what its really time to stop doing is complaining about Joe's paycheck. Its beyond old and nonsensical. 
The 15th highest paid quarterback in the league by average yearly salary is Colin Kaepernick at $19M and some change. 
Aside from Ryan Tannehill (19.25M) and Kirk Cousin (BARELY under $20M, 19.95M, and he's due for a massive raise after this season anyway), EVERYbody else is $20M or above. 
That means any half way decent quarterback is going to cost you at least $20M. 

You wanna pay a non-rookie quarterback less than $20M? Your best options are Stafford, Cutler, and Alex Smith. 
None of them are better than Joe. 
So get over it. let that horse die.

  11 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

  11 hours ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

  11 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

for the best.

Agree but I ask this; when is Harbs going to be held accountable for his coaches? Doesn't he review the game plans? It's obvious from his press conference he didn't even realize Trestman abandoned the run yesterday. When is he going to learn how to manage a game and make the necessary in game changes?

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

No, I'm not asking him to be the OC but he is the HC who has the responsibility to oversee every facet of the game just like every other person in his position.

Great, he's a special teams guy - where is he on the Special Teams then?

if youre asking him to oversee the offense, youre asking him to be the OC.

thats the OC's job.

  6 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

To possibly clarify... As a fan, I was screaming "why did we stop running the ball" during the game. As a head coach, harbs should've walked over and asked trestman wth is he doing

and then what?
Trestman's still gonna be the one calling the plays.

  25 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

for the best.

Agree but I ask this; when is Harbs going to be held accountable for his coaches? Doesn't he review the game plans? It's obvious from his press conference he didn't even realize Trestman abandoned the run yesterday. When is he going to learn how to manage a game and make the necessary in game changes?

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

Pees you're on notice, your weak sauce blitzes don't work.....

no he's not. He hasnt done anything but consistently produce top 12 defenses.

Nothing will change that much. The offensive line and special teams are bad.

we heard you the first time.
Ignoring solvable problems just because others exist doesnt make any sense.

for the best.