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no it doesnt. I was pretty clearly talking about the OC search and how whether we hire one from inside the organization or outside wont make a difference if we dont beef up the talent they have to work with. you can sit there and try to make up any kind of random little implications or word games you want to make it seem otherwise, but that wasnt ever the case. as a matter of fact, just so there's no ambiguity or confusion, here's the original post with all the keywords and phrases highlighted: see? multiple specific references to the offensive half of our team. so there's that. im not even going to entertain the rest of this, because its all based on the fairy tale premise that i called the defense talent deficient, which i did not. I have not once discussed the defense on any part of this entire thread EXCEPT to make it very clear that i'm not discussing the defense, so once again, i dont even know how you ever came to that conclusion, but it is not, and never was, so.

yes we are. i can name at least 5 guys (or, half the people on the field in other words) on our offense, no deeper than 2nd string on the depth chart that i would replace with any of at least 10-15 other dudes in the league at their position, in a heart beat. if you dont think we have a talent problem on offense i can only call you blindly optimistic. which isnt a terrible thing, but its not gonna get us Ws either. those are excuses (with a small kernel of truth, because Joe DOES need some familiar receivers), and part of the reason why our offense is where its at. we have a lot more than "some weaknesses," there's no depth anywhere in our offense and some of the starters shouldnt be starting. skipping all the dumb stuff about the defense since we all already know that's not the problem and since the Offensive Coordinator has nothing to do with that... yeah, because in prior seasons he had people in the secondary that 1) he was familiar with and 2) knew the offense and made plays. once again: talent deficiency. and once more...skipping the rest of the stuff that mainly discussed defense which no one was ever talking about.

16! almost one for every year of the franchise, 16 different STARTING QBs, not even counting all the backups. 3, maybe 5 quality WR1's (if im generous) only 1-2 of which we drafted, none of which have hung around longer than 3 years. i mean, we've had a few coaches that deserve some criticism, but except for Castillo, none of them are employed here now. And all this incessant whining about not promoting from within is just getting on my nerves, like...that makes zero difference.

one day...you guys will actually look at the offensive rosters over the past 18 years and realize that the new person(s) we need from outside the organization are players and not coaches. Caldwell was not from inside the organization, he came from Indy. and you wanted to run him out of town. Doesnt matter where the OC is coming from as long as we're still talent deficient, why am i the only one that gets that?

Flames flicker most violently before they go out. McNair started 6 games but was terrible in '07, we had to pull him from some games. he was terrible in the playoff game we lost to the Colts the previous season. Thats why he retired immediately after.

wrong guy. we have Jim HOSTLER (not Jeff HOSTETLER), who has never played a snap in the NFL as far as i can tell.

lol no. the fans arent head coaches, they dont make decisions.

Mike Pettine's daughter ladies and gentlemen, lol: https://twitter.com/ZackMeisel/status/426389496527982592

all what time? Caldwell's only been gone a little over a week.

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Norv Turner is a viking people...you really gotta let that go.

probably never got permission. ive noticed nobody ever reports an organization being denied permisison to interview a candidate. in any case, this is the closest the Browns have ever been to being on the level with BAL and PIT...you dont capitalize on that by sending your rival and much needed OC.